Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 in west and in certain tantrik traditions, tantra is equivalent to 'sexual freedom' and the panchamakaras including sexual liberation are the means to liberation... "Beguiled by false knowledge as propagated, certain persons, deprived of the guru-shishya tradition, imagine the nature of the Kuladharma according to their own intellect. If merely by drinking wine, men were to attain fulfilment, all addicted to liquor would reach perfection. If mere partaking of flesh were to lead to the high state, all the carnivores in the world would become eligible to immense merit. If liberation were to be ensured by sexual intercourse with a shakti, all creatures would become liberated by female companionship." (Kularnava Tantra, II, 116- 118). while 'sexuality; is part of everyday life , it can be used as a vehicle for 'liberation' ? The panchamakara (five "m"s) are maithuna (intercourse), madya (liquor), mudra (bean), mamsa (flesh) and matsya (fish). They form part of a rite performed by those of the class called Viras (heroes). According to the tradition, practitioners fall into three classes: divya (divine), vira (heroic) and pashu (beastlike). Yet the vira, or heroic sadhana, is only a part of the Kaula tradition and, if we believe the texts themselves, is only for a certain category of practitioners (sadhakas (m) and sadhvinis (f)) who can benefit from it. It is prohibited for the pashu, who is likely to misunderstand both it and its inner significance on a superficial level. For those not competent to practise this rite, it is poisonous. Further, tantrik groups which do not fall into the Kulachara or Vamachara divisions, do not drink wine or use sex in a ritual context. Some may substitute ginger for flesh, milk for wine and the symbolic union of two flowers for copulation. The influential Kaulavali Nirnaya Tantra, a digest of many of the greatest of the Kaula tantras, says that drinking is either divya, vira or pashu. The first is the realisation that the Goddess as wine- nectar is within, the second uses alcohol, while for the pashu it is prohibited as it is done without understanding. To a vira who wants to be liberated, ordinary prohibitions do not apply. Wine is Shakti and flesh is Shiva. And the Kularnava Tantra says that the divine person, or divya, realises that wine flows from the 1,000 petal lotus, flesh is the sense of duality, fish is the disordering of the senses and sexual intercourse is the union of Kundalini with supreme Shiva. Indeed, the commentary to the famous Karpuradistotra goes further and says that true sexual intercourse is union with the goddess within. Intercourse with any other woman is adultery. That may be true for the divya, but not for the vira. (See Vira Sadhana) These considerations make it clear that far from tantra being synonymous with sex, sexuality is a part of the sadhana (work on oneself) and the tradition, and then, perhaps, only at a certain stage and for a certain time. from hubcom.com spurna, in any case you can practice any tantric sadhana only under the guidance of a competent tantrik guru after proer initiation... tantra is not to be practiced from mere books or third party sources,,, love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 dear adi shakti, thanks again for your posts.. is it dangerous to practice sadhanas without initiation from a guru? are these sadhanas dangerous without initiation into mantra? how do you feel about these quotes? The Heart, says Abhinavagupta, is the very Self of Shiva ... and of the... Goddess who is inseparable from Shiva. Indeed the Heart is the site of their union (yamala), of their embrace (samghatta). This abode is pure consciousness (caitanya) as well as unlimited bliss (ananda). As consciousness the Heart is the unbounded, infinite light (prakasha) as well as the freedom (svatantrya) and spontaneity (vimarsha) of that light to appear in a multitude and variety of forms. The Heart of Shiva is not a static or inert absolute, however. In fact the non-dual Kashmir Shaiva tradition considers it to be in a state of perpetual movement, a state of vibration (spanda) in which it is continuously contracting and expanding (samkoca-vikasha), opening and closing (unmesha-nimesha), trembling (ullasita), quivering (sphurita), throbbing, waving, and sparkling (ucchalata). The intensity and speed of this movement is such that paradoxically it is simultaneously a perfect dynamic stillness. The Ultimate is spanda: it vibrates, it expands and contracts; it manifests and reabsorbs; it is full of waves and waveless; it is full of bliss and yet suffering occurs; it plays a game of hide-and-seek with itself in which ignorance alternates with knowledge, and in which enjoyment and liberation can coincide. from: http://www.digiserve.com/mystic/Hindu/Abhinavagupta/ love ps: do you know tantric guru's in europe? , "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > in west and in certain tantrik traditions, tantra is equivalent > to 'sexual freedom' and the panchamakaras including sexual liberation > are the means to liberation... > > > "Beguiled by false knowledge as propagated, certain persons, deprived > of the guru-shishya tradition, imagine the nature of the Kuladharma > according to their own intellect. If merely by drinking wine, men > were to attain fulfilment, all addicted to liquor would reach > perfection. If mere partaking of flesh were to lead to the high > state, all the carnivores in the world would become eligible to > immense merit. If liberation were to be ensured by sexual intercourse > with a shakti, all creatures would become liberated by female > companionship." (Kularnava Tantra, II, 116- 118). > > while 'sexuality; is part of everyday life , it can be used as a > vehicle for 'liberation' ? > > The panchamakara (five "m"s) are maithuna (intercourse), madya > (liquor), mudra (bean), mamsa (flesh) and matsya (fish). They form > part of a rite performed by those of the class called Viras (heroes). > > According to the tradition, practitioners fall into three classes: > divya (divine), vira (heroic) and pashu (beastlike). > > Yet the vira, or heroic sadhana, is only a part of the Kaula > tradition and, if we believe the texts themselves, is only for a > certain category of practitioners (sadhakas (m) and sadhvinis (f)) > who can benefit from it. It is prohibited for the pashu, who is > likely to misunderstand both it and its inner significance on a > superficial level. For those not competent to practise this rite, it > is poisonous. > > Further, tantrik groups which do not fall into the Kulachara or > Vamachara divisions, do not drink wine or use sex in a ritual > context. Some may substitute ginger for flesh, milk for wine and the > symbolic union of two flowers for copulation. > > The influential Kaulavali Nirnaya Tantra, a digest of many of the > greatest of the Kaula tantras, says that drinking is either divya, > vira or pashu. The first is the realisation that the Goddess as wine- > nectar is within, the second uses alcohol, while for the pashu it is > prohibited as it is done without understanding. To a vira who wants > to be liberated, ordinary prohibitions do not apply. Wine is Shakti > and flesh is Shiva. > > And the Kularnava Tantra says that the divine person, or divya, > realises that wine flows from the 1,000 petal lotus, flesh is the > sense of duality, fish is the disordering of the senses and sexual > intercourse is the union of Kundalini with supreme Shiva. Indeed, the > commentary to the famous Karpuradistotra goes further and says that > true sexual intercourse is union with the goddess within. Intercourse > with any other woman is adultery. That may be true for the divya, but > not for the vira. (See Vira Sadhana) > > These considerations make it clear that far from tantra being > synonymous with sex, sexuality is a part of the sadhana (work on > oneself) and the tradition, and then, perhaps, only at a certain > stage and for a certain time. > > > from hubcom.com > > spurna, in any case you can practice any tantric sadhana only under > the guidance of a competent tantrik guru after proer initiation... > > tantra is not to be practiced from mere books or third party > sources,,, > > love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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