TM Sidhi Program - The Details and a Question

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So I've been a TM Sidha for a long time. Too long as it turns out.

Tm Sidhis is twenty minutes of Maharishi Bbrand meditation followed

by repetitions of 18 sutras gleaned from Patanjali's Yoga Sutras Pada

Three - Vibhuti pada. Here's the sutras in English

Citizen Sidha, Short Version

SUTRA

DESIRED EFFECT

Friendliness

Friendliness

Compassion

Compassion

Happiness

Happiness/Bliss

Strength of an elephant

Supernormal Strength

Bronchial tube

Calmness

Inner light

Knowledge of things hidden from view

Sun

Knowledge of cosmic regions (spiritual lokas)

Moon

Knowledge of arrangement of stars

Polestar

Knowledge of motion of the stars

Trachea

Control of hunger and thirst

Navel

Knowledge of the body

Distinction between intellect and transcendence

Omniscience

Transcendence, intuition

Intuition

Transcendence, finest hearing

Supernormal hearing -- clairaudience and cosmic realms and beings

Transcendence, finest sight

Supernormal sight

Transcendence, finest taste

Supernormal taste

Transcendence, finest touch

Supernormal touch

Transcendence, finest smell

Supernormal smell

Then wait 15 seconds, and repeat:

Relationship of body and akasha ... (pause) lightness of cotton fiber

Levitation, passage through the skies

These are taken from Trancenet org of which I share no affiliation.

They also have TM Mantras and advanced techniques all layed out

pretty much how they are taught. Their web address is

http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/index.shtml

The sidhis are translated into the language of the receiving party so

if you're French then they are in French and if English, then in

English, etc.

I virtually never had any clear sutra experiences and I think

Maharishi's yogic flying is a crock. You should see all the dopes

hopping around in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of Pure

Knowledge, at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield , Iowa.

How one can hover or fly bases on bouncing one your butt is the real

mystery. "There's no crying in baseball." And there's no muscle

action in defying gravity. It's just that simple.

That's not to say that I deny that these experiences altogether. In

fact I do have many of them from time to time, notably knowledge of

starry realms and some strength and control of hunger and thirst (at

best of times). But these I also had before the TM Sidhis program,

as also some compassion, friendlyness, etc.

The last year or two I tried to transcribe the sutras back into their

sanskrit based on different versions of the Yoga Sutras in English

and Sanskrit and came up with these here:

MitrihyaAnukampana or KarunaSugatiHastivarcasaKurma

NadyamAntarjyotishSuryaCandraDhruvehKantha KupehNabhi ChakraAntara

Buddhi PurushaPurusha PratibhaPurusha Jyayistha ZotraPurusha

Jyayistha AmarzaPurusha Jyayistha AvalokaPurusha Jyayistha

RasaPurusha Jyayistha GhratiKayakashayo Sambandha Laghu Tula

I make no guarantees for the efficacy of these and only a few were

entirely already stated clearly in the yoga sutras themselves. In

many cases as for personality qualities different adverbs carry

different slants of meaning for instance anukampana means something

like empathy and karuna means something like pity. Furthermore,

since Patanjali says such qualities such as friendliness can be

developed but doesn't exactly say which ones then ostensably such

qualities as peacefulness, blissfulness, truthfulness, etc can also

be developed from within. One might say well I am friendly why

should I practice a sutra for friendliness? The answer will be

something like this, when doing the sutra friendliness will pervade

not just the personality but also the cells of the body making them

work together in harmony. Also, two sides of brain will coordinate

better, etc. Friendliness can work in many ways besides

interpersonally. Or so the theory goes. The same thing goes for other

sutras. Better people that I have tried to describe them.

Maharishi's point in this technique is that each sutra stiches

together yoga or union with yes kaivalya being the goal. However, do

his techniques work or not? I don't know. They rarely work for me.

When I practiced the sanskrit version they engage my awareness more

than the English and that alone makes them seem to work better. Some

like Kurma Nadyam which produces stillness and steadfastness really

seem to work sometimes whereas their English counterpart never seem

to function. I believe therefore that Maharishi is a shuckster. I

think the only real reason his sutras are in different languages and

not Sanskrit is because he is no Sanskrit scholar and noone can

exactly translate Sanskrit (many version of YS exist but none seem to

be very good). If this was a book review I would say of TM Sutras that

they are a simplistic detective story with little plot and not much in

the way of engaging characters. Others will complain and raise a fit

for this post and say they are the best thing that ever happened to

them. But is a doctor or construction worker or suited businessman

really an expert on yoga who can say these are the proper techniques

for sure? I think not and for myself the proof in the pudding is

that noone is yogically levitating from Maharishi's sutras after

thirty years of the teachings. I think they perhaps have a benefit

but not $5000.00 US dollars worth. Luckily mine were covered by

student loan when I was an MIU student (before the name changed to

MUM - Tax reasons?)

This is my take. I could give you all Maharishi's theory why the

sutras are so great and all but since they don't really work up to

description the theory must also be faulty. Wll, simply put the

theory is this, TM takes one to samadhi, the sutras are like acting

within samadhi and garnishing the suport of nature. This has two

effects, one is that samadhi becomes more stable, the other is that

one can judge one's enlightenment by how well they work.

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I have meditated for twenty years or more and still have the same

problems. I haven't changed my personality at all. I have been

looking into tantra for the ability to work on my personality and

change my basic personality so that I can change my samskaras. This

is the point of Buddhist tantras like Kalachakra. In them one

identifies with idealized aspects of personality which take the form

of enlightened deities full of compassion. This is the generation

stage of Buddhist tantra. TM has become a full blown Vedic affair

with Maharishi plagarizing all streams of Vedic knowledge but yet it

leaves me cold. As in the Vedic culture priests perform the rituals -

yagyas, and one gives dakshina, etc, supposedly according to MMY study

of jyotish, sanskrit, ayurveda, pulse diagnosis etc all help one's

mental growth towards enlightenment, and to the degree that any study

of liberation is itself liberating then yes it's true. But it still

leaves me in the same boat again and again.

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I had a question and it is this - are there any techniques that one

can do from the state of samadhi that are not like Maharishi or

Chopra? Chopra has one use words like Amritam (bliss technique) and

Devatup (primordial sound) after meditating. The basic premise of

performing some action after settling the mind in awareness I think

is sound, that the technique is more powerful then,

it's just what technique would be best to do therefrom. Does anyone

have any ideas? I know that Nyasas, and kavachams are probably good.

But they are not enough. What I want is something that will just

basically pummel my brain with consciousness. I think that TM Sidhis

are supposed to do this but just aren't the real techniques as

Patanjali would have known them.

[Maharishi]

A teacher on the TM-Sidhi program told me that the TM-Sidhi program is about provoking Kundalini by doing Pranayama exercises. In the state of mind that is created then, the sutras are repeated and when the sutras melt with Pure Consciousness, they bring about a certain effect. Chopra now has a similar program that is called "Seduction of Spirit" program.

[c309]

be curious to know what chopra's 28 sutra's are and if they are in sanskrit or not. anybody know them?

[Sudarsha]

I learned the so called "sidhi" programme from Mahesh when I was with the International Staff in 1976. The "programme" caused a lot of distress and I finally stopped doing it. Later I undertook to make a translation of the Yoga Sutras just out of curiosity! At first I tried to make the translation work out like Mahesh had explained the third section of the text. But that didn't work well. There were just too many places and words that had to be really bent out of shape to even come close to Mahesh's version. So I just took each sutra on its own, beginning with the first one "now yoga is explaines" and worked, one by one, from there. The yoga sutras explain what to do and how to do it and it's nothing like Mahesh's explanation. The sutras, in the third section, are much more like ko'ans in Japanese Zen - they are tools for understanding meditation as taught and explained in the first two sections. Mahesh's "famous" flying sutra has, for example, nothing to do with flying but is about moving unencumbered through "space" - in this case one's life ... you move effortlessly through your life because you have let go of the burdens of past and future, of wishing things were otherwise than they are, of preoccupation with preconceived notions about how things ought to be.

 

Mahesh made a lot of money but didn't actually sell anything worthwhile except returning to the object of meditation "as easily as" you experience any thought.