Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 Hi Colin: Thanks for your really wonderful, realistic and inspiring distillation on this issue. I tend to agree with OmPrem and Kochu and others that a guru is needed at some point. A true spiritual journey can be like trekking up Mount Everest. Sure, it's possible you to make it all alone, but it's more likely you'll make errors and end up at the bottom of some bottomless ravine. With the proper professional training and guidance, however, any reasonably conditioned person stands a decent chance of reaching the peak (though there are never any guarantees). I think of Bhakta as the safest path; the lowest-risk approach to the easiest peak. But the easiest path also tends to be the longest, most circuituous route. Here, the guru functions to keep you focused and inspired and fresh all through the long journey -- through the difficult stretches of sameness and boredom, where progress may be steady but is largely undetectable. S/he helps you "keep your eyes on the prize," so to speak. Following Tantra (particularly Vamachara), on the other hand, is like scaling Everest's Kangshung Face -- the most difficult, but also the fastest and most spectacular route to the peak. The excitement is almost constant, the views are shocking and magnificent -- but you cannot allow any of this to distract you. The slightest misstep can result in instant doom. Here, the guru is like a firm instructor -- not the friendly, inspiring guru of Bhakti, but a wizened pro who's made the ascent many times, has guided others there, and has no interest in some undisciplined novice who's simply out looking for adventure and a quick thrill. If you're in the expedition, you're in all the way. So yes: People need gurus, whatever path they choose. And yes, those gurus will appear if and when you're ready for them. But I do not believe they necessarily will appear in the form of a Maharishi or Swami, in an old-school guru-chela relationship. If that's what's right for you, that's how it will happen. But for most of us, it happens just as Colin suggests, and I'll quote him: "Sometimes we receive her help through a living teacher, who may be man or woman, eastern or western, well known or not. Sometimes we receive help through a teacher who is no longer incarnate. Sometimes we find guidance in written lore, sometimes in own dreams, visions and reflections." And sometimes we receive guidance and direction from Devi Herself. There have been times when this has happened to me (and probably most people reading this as well), and the feeling is unmistakeable. I feel like I have been blessed with many gurus -- people who have emerged from nowhere and pointed me to the next outpost along the trail. People who've picked me up when I've fallen. And yes, authors long or recently dead. Rishis and sages from ancient times through the scripture they left behind. Even a friendly dog who's jumped into my lap and cheered me up in a moment when I felt too alone to bear. Colin asks: "Why should any of us feel either inferior or superior to people who are receiving her help in other ways?" He is right. Because there is only one guru -- and She is the One who manifests in every form and being in the Universe. She *is* that scripture, that friend, that dog, that rosebush that always makes you smile. She is the one and only Guru, if only we are ready to receive Her in whatever form She feels is appropriate for us at any given moment. That is what the sages mean when they say, the guru appears when the chela is ready. Because when the chela is ready, the scales fall from her/his eyes, and s/he sees what was always there. Aum Maatangyai Namahe Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2002 Report Share Posted April 16, 2002 In spite of my last response I would love to find a guru. Does anyone have any candidates who are yet living? Share the wealth! Don't hold out on us less fortunate. If you like someone please tell us. - Devi bhakta Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:00 AM Scaling Everest [Was: Do You Guru?] Hi Colin:Thanks for your really wonderful, realistic andinspiring distillation on this issue. I tend to agree with OmPrem and Kochu and others thata guru is needed at some point. A true spiritualjourney can be like trekking up Mount Everest. Sure,it's possible you to make it all alone, but it's morelikely you'll make errors and end up at the bottom ofsome bottomless ravine. With the proper professionaltraining and guidance, however, any reasonablyconditioned person stands a decent chance of reachingthe peak (though there are never any guarantees).I think of Bhakta as the safest path; the lowest-riskapproach to the easiest peak. But the easiest pathalso tends to be the longest, most circuituous route.Here, the guru functions to keep you focused andinspired and fresh all through the long journey --through the difficult stretches of sameness andboredom, where progress may be steady but is largelyundetectable. S/he helps you "keep your eyes on theprize," so to speak.Following Tantra (particularly Vamachara), on theother hand, is like scaling Everest's Kangshung Face-- the most difficult, but also the fastest and mostspectacular route to the peak. The excitement isalmost constant, the views are shocking andmagnificent -- but you cannot allow any of this todistract you. The slightest misstep can result ininstant doom. Here, the guru is like a firm instructor-- not the friendly, inspiring guru of Bhakti, but awizened pro who's made the ascent many times, hasguided others there, and has no interest in someundisciplined novice who's simply out looking foradventure and a quick thrill. If you're in theexpedition, you're in all the way.So yes: People need gurus, whatever path they choose.And yes, those gurus will appear if and when you'reready for them. But I do not believe they necessarilywill appear in the form of a Maharishi or Swami, in anold-school guru-chela relationship. If that's what'sright for you, that's how it will happen.But for most of us, it happens just as Colin suggests,and I'll quote him: "Sometimes we receive her helpthrough a living teacher, who may be man or woman,eastern or western, well known or not. Sometimes wereceive help through a teacher who is no longerincarnate. Sometimes we find guidance in written lore,sometimes in own dreams, visions and reflections."And sometimes we receive guidance and direction fromDevi Herself. There have been times when this hashappened to me (and probably most people reading thisas well), and the feeling is unmistakeable. I feellike I have been blessed with many gurus -- people whohave emerged from nowhere and pointed me to the nextoutpost along the trail. People who've picked me upwhen I've fallen. And yes, authors long or recentlydead. Rishis and sages from ancient times through thescripture they left behind. Even a friendly dog who'sjumped into my lap and cheered me up in a moment whenI felt too alone to bear.Colin asks: "Why should any of us feel either inferioror superior to people who are receiving her help inother ways?" He is right. Because there is only oneguru -- and She is the One who manifests in every formand being in the Universe. She *is* that scripture,that friend, that dog, that rosebush that always makesyou smile. She is the one and only Guru, if only weare ready to receive Her in whatever form She feels isappropriate for us at any given moment. That is whatthe sages mean when they say, the guru appears whenthe chela is ready. Because when the chela is ready,the scales fall from her/his eyes, and s/he sees whatwas always there.Aum Maatangyai NamaheDo You ? Tax Center - online filing with TurboTaxhttp://taxes./To from this group, send an email to:shakti_sadhnaaYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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