Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 In Sidney Cohen's book, Reflections on Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi (1959, p.96) the question of can the Guru make his disciples realize the Self, Sri Ramana answers it in this way: "...the Guru does not bring about Self-realisation, but simply removes the obstacles to it. The Self is always realized. So long as you seek Self-realisation the Guru is necessary. Guru is the Self. Take the Guru to be the real Self and yourself the individual. The disappearance of this sense of duality is removal of ignorance. So long as duality persists in you the Guru is necessary. Because you identify yourself with the body, you imagine the Guru to be the body. You are not the body, nor is the Guru. Your are the Self and so is he. The knowledge is gained by what you call Self-realisation". In his comments on this Cohen says, "Bhagavan does not recognize the possibility of transmitting a power to a person to make him realize the Self. In fact no such power is at all necessary. What is necessary for the cognition of the Real is not an addition but a substraction - the removal of the sense of duality with covers the One consciousness." So from our inquiry into the question of can the Guru enlighten it is clear that the Guru can awaken one who puts his or her attention on the Guru. And so the question still remains, "is this a permanent change", "is the devotee now awakened?" And of course the answer is NO, the devotee is not awakened, permanently. As Cohen says, "All that the Guru can do is to help (the disciple) correct (his) false identification." When asked by a questioner if God does his work through a chosen person, Maharshi says, "God is in all and works through all. but His presence is better recognized in purified minds. the pure one reflects God's actions more clearly than the impure mind."......(p. 105)...the fact is that the Self is never bound and thus there can be no release". ********************************************************************** THIS IS ONE VIEWPOINT. THERE ARE OTHER VIEWPOINTS AS WELL ON THIS FASCINATING SUBJECT OF GURUS.... stay tuned.... love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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