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Having offered a bit of background on the meaning of the Mantra,

HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss it

with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

 

4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known as

the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake of

meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to the

devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

(Macrocosm)].

 

4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

 

4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic elements

of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive whole,

the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and the

parts.

 

4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while concentrating

earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

[literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

 

4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

 

4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart, one

should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that is

the letter H into the letter R.

 

4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the spirit

that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I into

the sound HRIM.

 

4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond all

dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss. One

should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

Consciousness.

 

4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me directly

and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

 

4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme Self.

In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

 

Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

 

Aum Maatangyai Namahe

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS INFORMATIVE POST.

 

In case of Sridevi, we also speak of Panchapranavas. These

have to be used in all invocations of Sridevi. Tritari and Chaturdari

Bijams are most used in Srividya worship. Though contorversy still

continues if Vedic pranava is at all necessary? Same is discussed in

tantras with respect to Navarna Chandi mantra. Some state that the

mantra ne more remains Navakshari after the addition of Pranava. Some

however insist quote that Hrim denotes prakriti pranava or Saguna

Brahma, and Aum, Nirguna brahman, though i think this is not

completely true. Can some one tell us all more about this? Anyway, I

have been using Chaturdari in my Srividya navavarava as well as for

Lalita Sahasranama Archana. This is what my Guru and the Acharyas of

Sringeri Sharada peetham (Chandrashekara bharati and Abhinava

Vidyatirtha Mahaswamigal) have taught me. My beloved Guru

Chidanandanatha also included Aum and made use of Chaturdari in pooja

and parayana. But still, many oppose this. However, Mahasodashi has

Aum included in it and how can one debate its necessity there? Also

Damara and Brihannela tantras clearly quote : Without the utterance

of Pranava (Om) in the beginning and conclusion of pooja and

parayana, efforts go waste. Also, the Udaata Om is permitted to be

pronounced only by the First three varnas. The fourth Varna is given

Aum ( the fourtheenth vowel in sanskrit alphabet) as their pranava.

 

Sri Mahatripurasundari Sameta Sri Chandramouleshwara ParabrahmaNe

Namah!

 

 

, "devi_bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> Having offered a bit of background on the meaning of the Mantra,

> HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss

it

> with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

> recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

>

> 4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

> should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known as

> the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake of

> meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to

the

> devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

> (Macrocosm)].

>

> 4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

> Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

> denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

> separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

> Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

>

> 4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic elements

> of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive whole,

> the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and the

> parts.

>

> 4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while concentrating

> earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

> should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

> [literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

>

> 4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

> through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

> sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

>

> 4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart, one

> should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that

is

> the letter H into the letter R.

>

> 4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the

spirit

> that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

> the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I

into

> the sound HRIM.

>

> 4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond

all

> dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss.

One

> should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

> Consciousness.

>

> 4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me

directly

> and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

>

> 4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme Self.

> In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

>

> Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

>

> Aum Maatangyai Namahe

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Before going into the subject under discussion, may i first pray that there be

no personal attacks on any one or anything?

 

Sivanandaji Maharaj was a great saint. His sayings can be quoted with authority.

The whole shaaktha tantras are full of quotations. without quotations the

tantras will become illegible. Seeking becomes fruitful when it reaches its

logical conclusion. Seeking by itself is not the end.

 

 

 

Now on Shaaktha Pranava, according to Kaulachara as propounded by Parasurama the

adi Guru of shaakthas, the shaaktha pranava is "Aim Hreem Shreem". That is what

i follow. It is called the thrithaari. Parasurama says in his kalpasootra

"Thrithaareem sarwathra yojayeth.".

 

 

 

Love

 

Kochu

 

devi_bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: Having offered a bit of background

on the meaning of the Mantra,

HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss it

with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

 

4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known as

the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake of

meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to the

devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

(Macrocosm)].

 

4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

 

4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic elements

of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive whole,

the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and the

parts.

 

4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while concentrating

earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

[literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

 

4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

 

4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart, one

should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that is

the letter H into the letter R.

 

4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the spirit

that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I into

the sound HRIM.

 

4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond all

dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss. One

should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

Consciousness.

 

4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me directly

and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

 

4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme Self.

In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

 

Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

 

Aum Maatangyai Namahe

 

 

 

shakti_sadhnaa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yes, harsha i also enjoyed devi_bhakta's informative posts

on 'Hrim' !

 

here is how important 'hrim' is in sri vidya upasana...

 

Om Hrim Haum Namasivaya (Eyebrow Center)

 

Om Srim Hrim Klim Glaum Gam Ganapataye Vara Varada

Sarvajanam Me Vasamanaya Svaha (Base of Spine)

 

Om Srim Hrim Klim Aim Saum Saravana Bhavaya Namah (Genital)

 

Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vichche (Navel)

 

Klim Krishnaya Govindaya Gopijana Vallabhaya Svaha (Heart)

 

Om Hrim Dram Dattatreya Hare Krishna Unmatta Ananda Dayaka Digambara

Mune Balapishacha Jnana Sagara Dram Hrim Om (Neck)

 

Aim Hrim Srim Aim Klim Souh Hamsah Sivah Soham Hasakaphrem Hasaksha-

malavarayum Hsauh Sahakshamalavarayim Sahauh Svarupa Nirupana Hetave

Svagurave Sri Annapurnamba Sahita Sri Amritananda Natha Sri Guru Sri

Padukam Pujayami Tarpayami Namah (Top of Head)

 

Aim Klim Sauh Sauh Klim Aim (108)

 

Ka e i la Hrim / Ha sa ka ha la Hrim / Sa ka la Hrim (108)

 

this is the importance of the mantra 'hrim' in sri vidya upasana...

 

but in order to reap the full benefit of this mantra 'hrim' (bija

akshara) we do need the formal initiation from a sri vidya guru!

otherwise, we will be repeating it only like a a parrot without

understanding the full meaning!! by the way, we should not dishonor

the bird 'parrot' - for the parrot sits on meenakshi devi;s right

shoulder and 'parrot' represents the vedas! also, parrot stands for

guru sukadeva!!!

 

love

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- In , "harshanand_16" <harshanand_16> wrote:

> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS INFORMATIVE POST.

>

> In case of Sridevi, we also speak of Panchapranavas.

These

> have to be used in all invocations of Sridevi. Tritari and

Chaturdari

> Bijams are most used in Srividya worship. Though contorversy still

> continues if Vedic pranava is at all necessary? Same is discussed

in

> tantras with respect to Navarna Chandi mantra. Some state that the

> mantra ne more remains Navakshari after the addition of Pranava.

Some

> however insist quote that Hrim denotes prakriti pranava or Saguna

> Brahma, and Aum, Nirguna brahman, though i think this is not

> completely true. Can some one tell us all more about this? Anyway,

I

> have been using Chaturdari in my Srividya navavarava as well as for

> Lalita Sahasranama Archana. This is what my Guru and the Acharyas

of

> Sringeri Sharada peetham (Chandrashekara bharati and Abhinava

> Vidyatirtha Mahaswamigal) have taught me. My beloved Guru

> Chidanandanatha also included Aum and made use of Chaturdari in

pooja

> and parayana. But still, many oppose this. However, Mahasodashi has

> Aum included in it and how can one debate its necessity there? Also

> Damara and Brihannela tantras clearly quote : Without the utterance

> of Pranava (Om) in the beginning and conclusion of pooja and

> parayana, efforts go waste. Also, the Udaata Om is permitted to be

> pronounced only by the First three varnas. The fourth Varna is

given

> Aum ( the fourtheenth vowel in sanskrit alphabet) as their pranava.

>

> Sri Mahatripurasundari Sameta Sri Chandramouleshwara ParabrahmaNe

> Namah!

>

>

> , "devi_bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> > Having offered a bit of background on the meaning of the Mantra,

> > HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss

> it

> > with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

> > recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

> >

> > 4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

> > should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known

as

> > the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake

of

> > meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to

> the

> > devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

> > (Macrocosm)].

> >

> > 4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

> > Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

> > denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

> > separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

> > Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

> >

> > 4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic

elements

> > of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive

whole,

> > the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and

the

> > parts.

> >

> > 4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while

concentrating

> > earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

> > should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

> > [literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

> >

> > 4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

> > through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

> > sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

> >

> > 4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart,

one

> > should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that

> is

> > the letter H into the letter R.

> >

> > 4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the

> spirit

> > that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

> > the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I

> into

> > the sound HRIM.

> >

> > 4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond

> all

> > dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss.

> One

> > should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

> > Consciousness.

> >

> > 4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me

> directly

> > and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

> >

> > 4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme

Self.

> > In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

> >

> > Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

> >

> > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

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However the authority of Natananandanatha and also manuals like

Saubhagya setu and some tantras like Mahanirvana cannot be ignored.

Dakshinamurthy samhita also hints at Chaturtaaree. Also the greatest

of Shaktas in recent times, Sri Sri Chidanandanatha uses

Chaturtaaree. Anyway, the Acharyas of Sringeri and Kanchi have a last

say in most spiritual matters, and the previous Acharya of Sringeri

personally instructed me to use Aum. Also, Chintamani kalpa, composed

by sage durvasa uses Chaturtaari. There are verses in Daatatreya

samhita,( from which kalpasutras emerge)that support the use of

Chaturtaree for the first Varna and the tritaree for the rest.

Gurupadamekam sharanam!

 

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote:

>

>

> Before going into the subject under discussion, may i first pray

that there be no personal attacks on any one or anything?

>

> Sivanandaji Maharaj was a great saint. His sayings can be quoted

with authority. The whole shaaktha tantras are full of quotations.

without quotations the tantras will become illegible. Seeking becomes

fruitful when it reaches its logical conclusion. Seeking by itself is

not the end.

>

>

>

> Now on Shaaktha Pranava, according to Kaulachara as propounded by

Parasurama the adi Guru of shaakthas, the shaaktha pranava is "Aim

Hreem Shreem". That is what i follow. It is called the thrithaari.

Parasurama says in his kalpasootra "Thrithaareem sarwathra

yojayeth.".

>

>

>

> Love

>

> Kochu

>

> devi_bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote: Having offered a bit of

background on the meaning of the Mantra,

> HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss

it

> with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

> recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

>

> 4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

> should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known as

> the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake of

> meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to

the

> devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

> (Macrocosm)].

>

> 4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

> Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

> denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

> separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

> Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

>

> 4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic elements

> of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive whole,

> the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and the

> parts.

>

> 4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while concentrating

> earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

> should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

> [literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

>

> 4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

> through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

> sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

>

> 4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart, one

> should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that

is

> the letter H into the letter R.

>

> 4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the

spirit

> that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

> the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I

into

> the sound HRIM.

>

> 4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond

all

> dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss.

One

> should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

> Consciousness.

>

> 4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me

directly

> and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

>

> 4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme Self.

> In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

>

> Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

>

> Aum Maatangyai Namahe

>

>

>

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>

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yes in some parts it is chathutharee. But for kaulas it is Thritharee.

I am sure the Shankaracharyas are great; but unfortunatly they are not kaulas

and are sanyasis. A Kaula is a swechaachaari, which is why Sanyasis do not sit

in front of a Kaula.

Kochu

 

PS I am not talking about superiority business. This seems to be the tradition

and and I have seen it followed. I do not know the why and wherefore.

harshanand_16 <harshanand_16 wrote: However the authority of

Natananandanatha and also manuals like

Saubhagya setu and some tantras like Mahanirvana cannot be ignored.

Dakshinamurthy samhita also hints at Chaturtaaree. Also the greatest

of Shaktas in recent times, Sri Sri Chidanandanatha uses

Chaturtaaree. Anyway, the Acharyas of Sringeri and Kanchi have a last

say in most spiritual matters, and the previous Acharya of Sringeri

personally instructed me to use Aum. Also, Chintamani kalpa, composed

by sage durvasa uses Chaturtaari. There are verses in Daatatreya

samhita,( from which kalpasutras emerge)that support the use of

Chaturtaree for the first Varna and the tritaree for the rest.

Gurupadamekam sharanam!

 

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote:

>

>

> Before going into the subject under discussion, may i first pray

that there be no personal attacks on any one or anything?

>

> Sivanandaji Maharaj was a great saint. His sayings can be quoted

with authority. The whole shaaktha tantras are full of quotations.

without quotations the tantras will become illegible. Seeking becomes

fruitful when it reaches its logical conclusion. Seeking by itself is

not the end.

>

>

>

> Now on Shaaktha Pranava, according to Kaulachara as propounded by

Parasurama the adi Guru of shaakthas, the shaaktha pranava is "Aim

Hreem Shreem". That is what i follow. It is called the thrithaari.

Parasurama says in his kalpasootra "Thrithaareem sarwathra

yojayeth.".

>

>

>

> Love

>

> Kochu

>

> devi_bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote: Having offered a bit of

background on the meaning of the Mantra,

> HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss

it

> with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

> recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

>

> 4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

> should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known as

> the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake of

> meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to

the

> devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

> (Macrocosm)].

>

> 4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

> Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

> denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

> separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

> Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

>

> 4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic elements

> of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive whole,

> the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and the

> parts.

>

> 4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while concentrating

> earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

> should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

> [literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

>

> 4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

> through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

> sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

>

> 4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart, one

> should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that

is

> the letter H into the letter R.

>

> 4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the

spirit

> that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

> the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I

into

> the sound HRIM.

>

> 4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond

all

> dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss.

One

> should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

> Consciousness.

>

> 4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me

directly

> and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

>

> 4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme Self.

> In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

>

> Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

>

> Aum Maatangyai Namahe

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

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>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

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Jaya Jaya Shankara !

 

There is no authority that supports the claim that only

non-kaulas can use Chaturtari or that kaulas have to use tritari

necessarily. No one can doubt the authority of the kalpasutras,

right. But a little study reveals the truth. Tantraraja Tantra

speaks of using chaturtari. Vamakeshwara tantra, which is referred

to as the Swatantra tantra by Sri Bhaskaracharya, uses

chaturtaari. Some other tantras like Madhumati Kalpa and also

Srividyarnava Tantra (which happens to be the most complete digest

on srividya) also support the same. Other Tantras and scriptures

which could be qupted as authorities in this context are :

Prathama tantra, yogini tantra, siddheshwari tantra, prakashodaya

tantra, bhairavayamala, kurukullapatalam, deviyamala, toornayagaH,

srisooktakramatatparyadeepika, ganeshwaraparamarshini,

kshurikopanishad and other devi upanishads, shreeyantrasara,

atharvanarahasya, tantraavataarakrama vaartika by sri

padmapaadaachaarya, pippaladamatam, kalee kularnava, kaulavali

nirnaya, mundamala tantra, vishwasara tantra, sundari kalpa,

dakshinamurthy and datta samhitas, srikramatantra and many more.

Siddheswari, Rudrayamaka, Kulajnana and other tantras like

Brihannela explain the importance and necessity of using vedic

pranava during archana and parayana. Without an utterance of this,

all kriyas a ssaid to be Nishphala, useless. This is also

supporteed by various passages in sruti and smriti.

Rudrayamala tantra clearly defines this as being

differentiated

on the basis of varnashrama system. Those without the right to

perform Agnihotra (and according to some authorities like

Punyanandanatha and umanandanatha, also those without an

initiation into turiya gayathri) should stick to tritari. However,

the qualified should make use of the privilage granted to them, of

using vedic pranava.

All kaulas, merely known so for following a sect that claims

to

be kaula, may not be regarded in anyway superior to the

god-realized Acharyas of Shankara lineage, who were instrumental

in propagating srividya. These Acharyas i referred to are great

souls, much above the constraints of kula, kaula or sanyasa. Only

a sadhaka, who has undergone purnabhisheka and realized the self

as Sridevi by means of various nyasas like Mahashodha and kamakala

and nava vidha (or ekadasha vidha ) samatanusandhana can adopt

swechhachara and not every other sadhaka, still in the process of

reaching this state of oneness. Rules have to followed till then.

Also the Lord clearly says in the verse explaining the mahima of

mahasodha nyasa that if a sadhaka who has performed this nyasa(and

thereby achieved complete unity with sridevi), bows down before aa

Ajna, or an ignorant person, the ingnorant person will die. However

this applies to an ignorant person only and does not in anway

establish the superiority of any common kaulika over a realised

sanyasin. The vaidika ashrama system is much higher an authority than

tantra which is but a part of Dharma shastra. No authority can ever

be considered above the vedas. Same applies to using pranava.

Anyway, kaula means much more than a sect or a system. Pranava is

both the kulluka and Mahasetu for Shodashi and in this light, its use

along with tritari achieves much more significance.

Manuals like Nityotsava, Srikramasamhita, Lalitakramadipika,

Saubhagya ratnakara, Amnaya kalpalata also make use of Chaturtari

in their detailed procedures. Madhumati tantra even says that

tritari may be used by sadhakas qualified for Apara and Parapara

pooja. But those eligible for Paraa pooja should necessarily use

Chaturtaari.

It may therefore be concluded that the addition of pranava

depends on one's Adhikara and above all on one's Guru

Sampradaya.

 

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Dear all I am not sparking a controversy and I do not know much. However, The

basic bible of Sri Vidya upaasana is Parasurama Kalpasutras.

In Sutra 2 it is said"

Thadhaa hi shreekrame sarwatra mantraadau thrithaareethi"

As in Sreekrama all mantras shall have thritharee in front of it.

Sootra 8 says

"Sarweshaanaam Mantraanaam Thrithaaree samyoga. .........

All mantras shall have thritharee.

If that is so; the authority is clear and so is the direction. But (please do

not get upset) it is my reading that the Shankara Madhas being highly vaidic

wanted to add the vaidic pranava to the Thaantric pranava. The real basic

tantric text is "Parasuraama Kalpasootra". The others are just commentaries

thereto. (as far as Sri Vidya is concerned at least).

That is why we find a lot of vaidic interpolations into the Sri Vidya upaasana

as in "Sri Vidya Rathnaakara" of Karapathra swamiji. Being sanyasis they could

not have access to "panchamakaras". What my Guru has said is that adding pranava

and making it Chathushthaaree, the power is reduced.

Of Course one's own Guru's direction is supreme whatever the scripture says

unless the Guru has given one the permission to llook into basic texts.

 

Kochu

 

harshanand_16 <harshanand_16 wrote: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS

INFORMATIVE POST.

 

In case of Sridevi, we also speak of Panchapranavas. These

have to be used in all invocations of Sridevi. Tritari and Chaturdari

Bijams are most used in Srividya worship. Though contorversy still

continues if Vedic pranava is at all necessary? Same is discussed in

tantras with respect to Navarna Chandi mantra. Some state that the

mantra ne more remains Navakshari after the addition of Pranava. Some

however insist quote that Hrim denotes prakriti pranava or Saguna

Brahma, and Aum, Nirguna brahman, though i think this is not

completely true. Can some one tell us all more about this? Anyway, I

have been using Chaturdari in my Srividya navavarava as well as for

Lalita Sahasranama Archana. This is what my Guru and the Acharyas of

Sringeri Sharada peetham (Chandrashekara bharati and Abhinava

Vidyatirtha Mahaswamigal) have taught me. My beloved Guru

Chidanandanatha also included Aum and made use of Chaturdari in pooja

and parayana. But still, many oppose this. However, Mahasodashi has

Aum included in it and how can one debate its necessity there? Also

Damara and Brihannela tantras clearly quote : Without the utterance

of Pranava (Om) in the beginning and conclusion of pooja and

parayana, efforts go waste. Also, the Udaata Om is permitted to be

pronounced only by the First three varnas. The fourth Varna is given

Aum ( the fourtheenth vowel in sanskrit alphabet) as their pranava.

 

Sri Mahatripurasundari Sameta Sri Chandramouleshwara ParabrahmaNe

Namah!

 

 

, "devi_bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> Having offered a bit of background on the meaning of the Mantra,

> HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss

it

> with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

> recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

>

> 4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

> should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known as

> the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake of

> meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to

the

> devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

> (Macrocosm)].

>

> 4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

> Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

> denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

> separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

> Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

>

> 4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic elements

> of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive whole,

> the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and the

> parts.

>

> 4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while concentrating

> earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

> should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

> [literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

>

> 4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

> through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

> sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

>

> 4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart, one

> should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that

is

> the letter H into the letter R.

>

> 4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the

spirit

> that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

> the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I

into

> the sound HRIM.

>

> 4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond

all

> dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss.

One

> should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

> Consciousness.

>

> 4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me

directly

> and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

>

> 4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme Self.

> In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

>

> Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

>

> Aum Maatangyai Namahe

 

 

 

 

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It is toatally incredible to believe that adding pranava can reduce

the power. Kalpasutras have not spoken of adding pranava because as i

said previously, it is universally applicable other than to those who

have a right to perform Agnihotra. Any way, kalpasutras, if closely

examined, borrow much from Rudrayamala tantra, which are reputed to

be older than the vedas. Any way no authority is supreme to the

vedas, even the kalapasutras. it is totally untrue that

shankaracharyas added the vedic pranava most of the works i have

quoted are not commentaries, but rather are authoritative tantras.

and panchamakara is again a topic that requires a lot of discussion,

so let leave it heer. it is somewhat silly to think of the

inaccessibility of makaars to Sanyasina, these enlightened men do not

need an inferior means like panchamakara, which is advised only to

vira and pashu sadhakas,(symbolic and literal), and not to divya

bhava sadhakas. these great acharyas are those who have realized the

supreme brahman, then what is the necessity of makara sadhana at all,

which happens to be just one possible way to enlightenment. Also, if

you eamine dattatreya samhita, of which the kalpasutras happen to be

a condensation, the varnashrama application and the superiority of

chaturtaari becomes clear. it is also said in the concluding verses

that parashurama formed the sutras taking from the original samhita,

what was useful for paraapara and apara mode sadhakas. he recommends

simply the understanding of bhavanopanishad for the divya bhava

sadhakas. and it is unfortunate to know that most sadhakas feel proud

to remain in the level of pashu or vira bhava, which is not at all

recommended by the tantras, one has to eventually raise to divya

bhaava to achieve niravana. also pranava is the basic seed soun of

the univrerse. the authority that establishes the need for pranava in

all rites and rituals, irrespective of their type, is beyond doubt.

also, nityotsava, a product of bhaskaracharya's brilliance and

scholarship, uses chaturtaari. now can we doubt his authority? Please

try to obtain the elaborate form of the sutras, called the Mula sutra

by some, available in print from the chandi kaula society. And

moreover, all mantras in makarasadhana use pranava. I myself have

participated in bhairavi chakra sadhana, which is the culminating

step in pancha makara, and what is say about pranava is thus not

somehting i heard or read.

Namastripurabhairavyai!

 

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote:

>

> Dear all I am not sparking a controversy and I do not know much.

However, The basic bible of Sri Vidya upaasana is Parasurama

Kalpasutras.

> In Sutra 2 it is said"

> Thadhaa hi shreekrame sarwatra mantraadau thrithaareethi"

> As in Sreekrama all mantras shall have thritharee in front of it.

> Sootra 8 says

> "Sarweshaanaam Mantraanaam Thrithaaree samyoga. .........

> All mantras shall have thritharee.

> If that is so; the authority is clear and so is the direction. But

(please do not get upset) it is my reading that the Shankara Madhas

being highly vaidic wanted to add the vaidic pranava to the Thaantric

pranava. The real basic tantric text is "Parasuraama Kalpasootra".

The others are just commentaries thereto. (as far as Sri Vidya is

concerned at least).

> That is why we find a lot of vaidic interpolations into the Sri

Vidya upaasana as in "Sri Vidya Rathnaakara" of Karapathra swamiji.

Being sanyasis they could not have access to "panchamakaras". What my

Guru has said is that adding pranava and making it Chathushthaaree,

the power is reduced.

> Of Course one's own Guru's direction is supreme whatever the

scripture says unless the Guru has given one the permission to llook

into basic texts.

>

> Kochu

>

> harshanand_16 <harshanand_16> wrote: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

THIS INFORMATIVE POST.

>

> In case of Sridevi, we also speak of Panchapranavas.

These

> have to be used in all invocations of Sridevi. Tritari and

Chaturdari

> Bijams are most used in Srividya worship. Though contorversy still

> continues if Vedic pranava is at all necessary? Same is discussed

in

> tantras with respect to Navarna Chandi mantra. Some state that the

> mantra ne more remains Navakshari after the addition of Pranava.

Some

> however insist quote that Hrim denotes prakriti pranava or Saguna

> Brahma, and Aum, Nirguna brahman, though i think this is not

> completely true. Can some one tell us all more about this? Anyway,

I

> have been using Chaturdari in my Srividya navavarava as well as for

> Lalita Sahasranama Archana. This is what my Guru and the Acharyas

of

> Sringeri Sharada peetham (Chandrashekara bharati and Abhinava

> Vidyatirtha Mahaswamigal) have taught me. My beloved Guru

> Chidanandanatha also included Aum and made use of Chaturdari in

pooja

> and parayana. But still, many oppose this. However, Mahasodashi has

> Aum included in it and how can one debate its necessity there? Also

> Damara and Brihannela tantras clearly quote : Without the utterance

> of Pranava (Om) in the beginning and conclusion of pooja and

> parayana, efforts go waste. Also, the Udaata Om is permitted to be

> pronounced only by the First three varnas. The fourth Varna is

given

> Aum ( the fourtheenth vowel in sanskrit alphabet) as their pranava.

>

> Sri Mahatripurasundari Sameta Sri Chandramouleshwara ParabrahmaNe

> Namah!

>

>

> , "devi_bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> > Having offered a bit of background on the meaning of the Mantra,

> > HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself discuss

> it

> > with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

> > recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

> >

> > 4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga], one

> > should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known

as

> > the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake

of

> > meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining to

> the

> > devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

> > (Macrocosm)].

> >

> > 4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the Subtle

> > Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

> > denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

> > separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the Transcendent

> > Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

> >

> > 4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic

elements

> > of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive

whole,

> > the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and

the

> > parts.

> >

> > 4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while

concentrating

> > earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

> > should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the Universe

> > [literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

> >

> > 4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations flowing

> > through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected by

> > sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

> >

> > 4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart,

one

> > should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self that

> is

> > the letter H into the letter R.

> >

> > 4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the

> spirit

> > that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

> > the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter I

> into

> > the sound HRIM.

> >

> > 4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named," beyond

> all

> > dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and bliss.

> One

> > should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

> > Consciousness.

> >

> > 4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me

> directly

> > and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

> >

> > 4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme

Self.

> > In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

> >

> > Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

> >

> > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

>

>

>

>

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Namo Devyai,

Dearest Harshanand, I have been following the discussion on

Tritaarii and Chaturtaarii for quite some time. Yes, the bottom line

is that one has to stick to one's own Guru Parampara. However, I

cannot restrain myself from commenting on some of your posts. I

myself have read quite some scriptures, but your knowledge and

scholarship in Tantra Shastra, especially in Srividya is

praiseworthy. I happened to read your translation of the Kalpa sutras

elsewhere on the web and I was truly amazed. I believe this is a gift

given to you by Sridevi. Please continue to share your knowledge with

us. At this age of ninety-two, I feel truly blessed to read some of

your posts. I have myself been an Upasaka of Srividya from the age of

fifteen and have used Chaturtaari according to the instructions of my

revered Guru Shri Guhanandanatha. Chidanandanaatha, who happened to

be a close associate and a dear friend of mine, has explained the

necessity of using Vedic Pranava in one of his works, the name of

which I do not recollect. Please try to find out and quote his words.

Also, apart from the authority of Rudrayamala Tantra, which you have

quoted, regarding the Varnashrama Dharma, one may also look into Meru

Tantra and kularnava tantras. It is very sad to notice people

straying away from Vedas. It is also very unfortunate that people see

foul play in the great work of our Acharyas, who have resurrected the

Shakta tradition from a state of ignorance and superstition. Pranava

forms the very basis of the entire Vedic and Tantric literature.

Though Shakti Pranava/s are equally powerful, it is totally

impossible to accept that addition of Pranava reduces the efficacy of

a mantra. Yes, Navakshari should be chanted without Pranava. But as

far as Srividya goes, chaturataari is much more powerful than

tritaari. A close examination of Dataatreya and Dakshinamurthi

Samhitas makes this point clear. My Guru explicitly warned against

incomplete study of tantras. What results, if otherwise, is half-

baked knowledge, which apart from leading nowhere, causes further

damage. The main problem with most aspirants today is that they are

not aware of the underlying significance and theoretical philosophy

of most Tantric sayings. Superficial understanding leads to more

illusion in the name of Tantra. People like Woodroffe and others are

partly to be blamed for this. He misunderstood many concepts of

Tantra and without hesitation propagated the same. I feel terrible

when I glance at some of his works like the translation on

Kamakalavilasa and others. The result is that most believe and ape

what they think is real Tantra. Unless one understands Vedanta and

the concepts of Veda properly, the study of Tantra and thereby the

achievement in Tantra remain incomplete. Srimadacharya, who was well

aware of the pitfalls of practices like Pancha makaras, advised

people to do away with such non-essential practices. However, in his

work Tantraavataarakrama, he clearly says that this is not suitable

in the days of Kali yuga, where people are filled with qualities like

gluttony, lust and greed. The non-universality of the makara Sadhana

is the sole reason for the Acharya to advice against it. And to speak

of Sadhana without the application of makara as being incomplete is

total falsehood. Be it the Pancha makara or whatever else you follow,

unless that realization of the self, as expounded by the Upanishads

results, everything else is but futile. And kaulikas these days, as

you have rightly pointed out, rest solely in the pashu level, and not

even raise to the vira bhavana, let alone the Divyatva. This is

because of their non-understanding of the Upanishadic truths and

their mechanical adherence to the so-called Tantric authority. All

these hold good, if and only if,they are non-contradictory to the

Vedas. No authority can override the authority of the Vedas. Not even

the much acclaimed kalpa sutras. It is unfortunate that people are

moving away from their roots, the eternal Vedas. And here I see a

gentleman who accuses the Acharyas of `Vedicizing' Srividya, as if

Vedas were a disease that affected Srividya. Srividya is the very

essence of the Vedas. And to see it separately from the Vedas or as

contradictory to the Vedas is an erroneous stand. One has to banish

all that is not acceptable by the Vedic threshold and shun all pseudo-

tantric concepts. Basically, a serious student of Tantra must have a

strong background of Sankhya, Vedanta, agama and Tantra Shastras

before he actually takes a plunge into the ocean of Tantra. If

otherwise, all that results is a blind adherence to mistaken notions.

Blessings to you dear son, keep up the good work!

Vishwanatha Nambudari.

 

 

 

 

, "harshanand_16" <harshanand_16>

wrote:

> It is toatally incredible to believe that adding pranava can reduce

> the power. Kalpasutras have not spoken of adding pranava because as

i

> said previously, it is universally applicable other than to those

who

> have a right to perform Agnihotra. Any way, kalpasutras, if closely

> examined, borrow much from Rudrayamala tantra, which are reputed to

> be older than the vedas. Any way no authority is supreme to the

> vedas, even the kalapasutras. it is totally untrue that

> shankaracharyas added the vedic pranava most of the works i have

> quoted are not commentaries, but rather are authoritative tantras.

> and panchamakara is again a topic that requires a lot of

discussion,

> so let leave it heer. it is somewhat silly to think of the

> inaccessibility of makaars to Sanyasina, these enlightened men do

not

> need an inferior means like panchamakara, which is advised only to

> vira and pashu sadhakas,(symbolic and literal), and not to divya

> bhava sadhakas. these great acharyas are those who have realized

the

> supreme brahman, then what is the necessity of makara sadhana at

all,

> which happens to be just one possible way to enlightenment. Also,

if

> you eamine dattatreya samhita, of which the kalpasutras happen to

be

> a condensation, the varnashrama application and the superiority of

> chaturtaari becomes clear. it is also said in the concluding verses

> that parashurama formed the sutras taking from the original

samhita,

> what was useful for paraapara and apara mode sadhakas. he

recommends

> simply the understanding of bhavanopanishad for the divya bhava

> sadhakas. and it is unfortunate to know that most sadhakas feel

proud

> to remain in the level of pashu or vira bhava, which is not at all

> recommended by the tantras, one has to eventually raise to divya

> bhaava to achieve niravana. also pranava is the basic seed soun of

> the univrerse. the authority that establishes the need for pranava

in

> all rites and rituals, irrespective of their type, is beyond doubt.

> also, nityotsava, a product of bhaskaracharya's brilliance and

> scholarship, uses chaturtaari. now can we doubt his authority?

Please

> try to obtain the elaborate form of the sutras, called the Mula

sutra

> by some, available in print from the chandi kaula society. And

> moreover, all mantras in makarasadhana use pranava. I myself have

> participated in bhairavi chakra sadhana, which is the culminating

> step in pancha makara, and what is say about pranava is thus not

> somehting i heard or read.

> Namastripurabhairavyai!

>

>

>

>

> , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all I am not sparking a controversy and I do not know much.

> However, The basic bible of Sri Vidya upaasana is Parasurama

> Kalpasutras.

> > In Sutra 2 it is said"

> > Thadhaa hi shreekrame sarwatra mantraadau thrithaareethi"

> > As in Sreekrama all mantras shall have thritharee in front of it.

> > Sootra 8 says

> > "Sarweshaanaam Mantraanaam Thrithaaree samyoga. .........

> > All mantras shall have thritharee.

> > If that is so; the authority is clear and so is the direction.

But

> (please do not get upset) it is my reading that the Shankara Madhas

> being highly vaidic wanted to add the vaidic pranava to the

Thaantric

> pranava. The real basic tantric text is "Parasuraama Kalpasootra".

> The others are just commentaries thereto. (as far as Sri Vidya is

> concerned at least).

> > That is why we find a lot of vaidic interpolations into the Sri

> Vidya upaasana as in "Sri Vidya Rathnaakara" of Karapathra swamiji.

> Being sanyasis they could not have access to "panchamakaras". What

my

> Guru has said is that adding pranava and making it Chathushthaaree,

> the power is reduced.

> > Of Course one's own Guru's direction is supreme whatever the

> scripture says unless the Guru has given one the permission to

llook

> into basic texts.

> >

> > Kochu

> >

> > harshanand_16 <harshanand_16> wrote: THANK YOU VERY MUCH

FOR

> THIS INFORMATIVE POST.

> >

> > In case of Sridevi, we also speak of Panchapranavas.

> These

> > have to be used in all invocations of Sridevi. Tritari and

> Chaturdari

> > Bijams are most used in Srividya worship. Though contorversy

still

> > continues if Vedic pranava is at all necessary? Same is discussed

> in

> > tantras with respect to Navarna Chandi mantra. Some state that

the

> > mantra ne more remains Navakshari after the addition of Pranava.

> Some

> > however insist quote that Hrim denotes prakriti pranava or Saguna

> > Brahma, and Aum, Nirguna brahman, though i think this is not

> > completely true. Can some one tell us all more about this?

Anyway,

> I

> > have been using Chaturdari in my Srividya navavarava as well as

for

> > Lalita Sahasranama Archana. This is what my Guru and the Acharyas

> of

> > Sringeri Sharada peetham (Chandrashekara bharati and Abhinava

> > Vidyatirtha Mahaswamigal) have taught me. My beloved Guru

> > Chidanandanatha also included Aum and made use of Chaturdari in

> pooja

> > and parayana. But still, many oppose this. However, Mahasodashi

has

> > Aum included in it and how can one debate its necessity there?

Also

> > Damara and Brihannela tantras clearly quote : Without the

utterance

> > of Pranava (Om) in the beginning and conclusion of pooja and

> > parayana, efforts go waste. Also, the Udaata Om is permitted to

be

> > pronounced only by the First three varnas. The fourth Varna is

> given

> > Aum ( the fourtheenth vowel in sanskrit alphabet) as their

pranava.

> >

> > Sri Mahatripurasundari Sameta Sri Chandramouleshwara ParabrahmaNe

> > Namah!

> >

> >

> > , "devi_bhakta" <devi_bhakta>

wrote:

> > > Having offered a bit of background on the meaning of the

Mantra,

> > > HRIM, let me now step aside and let Bhuvaneshvari Herself

discuss

> > it

> > > with you directly. Here are Her teachings as to the meaning and

> > > recitation of HRIM, as set out in the Devi Gita:

> > >

> > > 4.41. Before obtaining the final absorption [samadhi, Yoga],

one

> > > should contemplate within one's self the triad of letters known

> as

> > > the Sacred Syllable of the Goddess [Devi-Pranava], for the sake

> of

> > > meditating on the two meanings of the Mantra [i.e., pertaining

to

> > the

> > > devotee's body (Microcosm), and pertaining to the Universe

> > > (Macrocosm)].

> > >

> > > 4.42. The letter H is the Gross Body, the letter R is the

Subtle

> > > Body, the letter I is the Causal Body [the final M is silent,

> > > denoting nasalization, so the Goddess does not mention it

> > > separately]. The whole sound HRIM is I Myself as the

Transcendent

> > > Fourth [i.e., Brahman].

> > >

> > > 4.43. In this manner, recognizing sequentially the triadic

> elements

> > > of the seed [bija] mantra contained within the comprehensive

> whole,

> > > the wise person should reflect on the identity of the whole and

> the

> > > parts.

> > >

> > > 4.44. Prior to the moment of total absorption, while

> concentrating

> > > earnestly in this [the above] manner, with the eyes closed, one

> > > should then meditate upon Me, the Goddess, Ruler of the

Universe

> > > [literally, Bhuvaneshvari].

> > >

> > > 4.45. One should equalize the inhalations and exhalations

flowing

> > > through the nose [i.e., engage in Pranayama], being unaffected

by

> > > sensual desires, without faults, free from jealousy.

> > >

> > > 4.46. With sincere devotion, with the silent void of the heart,

> one

> > > should dissolve the "All-pervading" gross aspect of the Self

that

> > is

> > > the letter H into the letter R.

> > >

> > > 4.47. One should dissolve the "Luminous" subtle aspect of the

> > spirit

> > > that is the letter R into the letter I. One should dissolve

> > > the "Intelligent" causal aspect of the Self that is the letter

I

> > into

> > > the sound HRIM.

> > >

> > > 4.48. It transcends the distinction of "name" and "named,"

beyond

> > all

> > > dualities. It is whole, infinite being, consciousness, and

bliss.

> > One

> > > should meditate on that Reality within the flaming light of

> > > Consciousness.

> > >

> > > 4.49. By this meditation, the noble person will perceive Me

> > directly

> > > and then merge into My Essence, since we two are One.

> > >

> > > 4.50. By practicing this Yoga, one realizes Me as the Supreme

> Self.

> > > In that instant, ignorance and its effects all perish.

> > >

> > > Aum Bhuvaneshvaryai Namahe

> > >

> > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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ANANTA KOTI NAMASKARAMS SHRI KAMAKOTIKRIPAJI!

 

yes, i fully endorse your statement about my dear son harshanana...

he is a young lad of 22 years but i consider him as my upaguru -in

fact, over the past year or so, i have learned many things from him

regarding sree lalita and sree vidya upasana... he is a practicing

upasaka and from the sree bhaskaraya lineage...

 

on another note, ar you living in the States? i would like to meet

you onme of these days...

 

it was interesting to read the exchanges on vedic pranava ....

 

Sir, you state that

 

"People like Woodroffe and others are > partly to be blamed for this.

He misunderstood many concepts of > Tantra and without hesitation

propagated the same. I feel terrible > when I glance at some of his

works like the translation on > Kamakalavilasa and others."

 

well, this came as a shocking bit of news - for many shaktas,

woodroffe's book is like a Bible.HE along with other westen scho;ars

like coburn , kinsley etc have made many of tantric literature

availble in english TO ALL READERS WHO DO NOT KNOW SANSKRI... so,

what else one can rely on if one cannot read originsl sanskrit

versions? sir, could you please explain this paradox?

 

love and regards

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Dear All:

I see that my post really did stirup a lot of discussion. I am happy at that.

because from discussion knowledge is gained.

I will write a detailed post later. Hope it will fuel discussion and not

discord.

Kochu

adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote: ANANTA KOTI NAMASKARAMS SHRI

KAMAKOTIKRIPAJI!

 

yes, i fully endorse your statement about my dear son harshanana...

he is a young lad of 22 years but i consider him as my upaguru -in

fact, over the past year or so, i have learned many things from him

regarding sree lalita and sree vidya upasana... he is a practicing

upasaka and from the sree bhaskaraya lineage...

 

on another note, ar you living in the States? i would like to meet

you onme of these days...

 

it was interesting to read the exchanges on vedic pranava ....

 

Sir, you state that

 

"People like Woodroffe and others are > partly to be blamed for this.

He misunderstood many concepts of > Tantra and without hesitation

propagated the same. I feel terrible > when I glance at some of his

works like the translation on > Kamakalavilasa and others."

 

well, this came as a shocking bit of news - for many shaktas,

woodroffe's book is like a Bible.HE along with other westen scho;ars

like coburn , kinsley etc have made many of tantric literature

availble in english TO ALL READERS WHO DO NOT KNOW SANSKRI... so,

what else one can rely on if one cannot read originsl sanskrit

versions? sir, could you please explain this paradox?

 

love and regards

 

 

 

 

shakti_sadhnaa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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