RE:NORA'S QUESTION

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Hi nora,

First. let me wish your god-son a very happy 21st

birthday!

 

now, you have asked in your post that arjuna battled

with krishna his guru ....

 

YES, very true... but this was because, when Arjuna

entered the battlefield of Kurukshetra , he had lot of

doubts, misgivings and false notions ---- ARJUNA

STARTED ASKING lord KRISHNA ALL SORTS OF 'TANTALIZING'

QUESTIONS - as to why he should take up arms against

his own cousins , the kauravas... this is when Krishna

explains to him about 'karma' yoga -as to what are the

duties of a 'warrior' and how he should dedicate all

the fruits of his actions to god -karma phala tyaga...

 

 

when Krishna SHOWED HIS 'virat rupa' (his cosmic form

of mahavishnu) THEN ARJUNA REALIZED THAT lord krishna

is not just a 'friend' but God HIMSELF IN HUMAN FORM !

then arjuna realizes krishna is no ordinary human but

God himself and accepts him as his Guru...

 

ALSO, KRISHNA ENCOURAGES ARJUNA TO ASK AKLL QUESTIONS

but tells him...

 

tad viddhi pranipatena

pariprasnena sevaya

upadeksyanti te jnanam

jnaninas tattva-darsinah

 

 

Surrender to the Guru,

offer salutations to Him,

question Him in all manner possible,

serve Him

this is the

art of Guruseva.<BR>

This is the technique of acquiring knowledge from the

Guru.

 

what a powerdul verse from the bhagvat gita. a

commercial attitude may be paying elsewhere but never

in the realm of acquring divine knowledge.

 

the relationship between a shisya (student) and a

gurudeva (spiritual<master) is very sacred- the

disciple always approaches his master in a reverential

attitude - that is why we always add the suffix *deva

*to Guru- because Guru is<god himself.

 

Mata , pita , acharya devO bhavaha-

mother father and guru are to be respected and

revered as gods.

 

Our mother gives us birth but it is our guru who gives

us ***spiritual birth****. SO, ONE

MUST ALWAYS PROSTRATE BEFORE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER AS A

MARK<OF RESPECT .

 

BUT, this does not mean that the disciple cannot ask

questions from his master -the disciple should not

engaze in 'KUTARKA' (meaning<arguing in a fighting

manner) but rather approach the guru in a submissive

manner and clarify his doubts.

 

VINAYA BHAVA - an aprroach marked by humility and<

surrender ... the disciple should dedicate his body,

mind and soul in the service of the guru.

 

the spiritual master in turn shows compassion and

kindness while instructing the disciple- the GURU HAS

NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE -all that the guru desires is to

guide the<disciple on the path of enlightenment.

 

" of what avail are prayer and devotion to an

aspirant who views his master as a mere human being?

the disciple ought not to hold the master as a man.

before getting the< vision of the deity , the novice

sees the form of the< guru as a preliminary. - the

form metamorphoses into the deity. the disciple

thereby understands that GOD AND GURU ARE ONE AND THE

SAME . THE MASTER AWAKENS<BR>

THE SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS IN HIM. MORE THAN THAT<BR>

THE GURU LEADS THE INITIATED (DISCIPLE) INTO

BRAHMAN ITSELF.If the aspirant is earnest about

spiritual enlightenment the LORD sees to it that he

comes in contact with an enlightened one.Seek

thE ****LIGHT**** is sent to you! "

 

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nOra, you have mentioned that sri ramakrishna

disobeyed his guru ...

 

the only way Sri ramakrishna disobeyed his guru was

sri ramakrishna was fixated on his personal goddess

Kali and was immersed in Bhakti bhava... The guru

hastened shri ramakrisghna's spiritual progress...

His guru opened his 'ajnana' chakra one day and shri

ramakrishna realized 'brahman' in a matter of three

days - then shri ramakrishna realized " brahman is

shakti and shakti is brahman" .... not only that, his

guru totapuri also learned from shri ramakrishna the

importance of a worship of a personal "'goddess."

(please see archives for my post on this...)

 

swami vivekananda also disobeyed shri ramakrishna many

times until one day he realized the greatness of shri

ramakrisna... just before his mahasamadhi, shri

ramakrishna told his disciples he is none other than

'rama'and 'krishna'....

 

ultimately, everything is a matter of faith...

 

in the bible, Peter denied jesus three times i one

night...

Judas betrayed Jesus AND LATER COMMITTED SUICIDE ...

 

THEN THERE WAS THE DOUBTING'THOMAS'...

 

.....

 

 

LOVE TO YOU NORA! BLESSINGS TO YOUR GOD-SON!

 

 

 

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