Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 Thank you for taking the time to read it. And I am truly pleased to hear that you enjoyed it. Aum Maatangyai Namahe , Satyendra Rao <kashyapa_705> wrote: > Thank you Devi bhakta on such a beautiful rendition on > Devi Matangi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 2. Counselor of all. / Not sure about first question. - alexandra_108 Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:42 AM Matangi 1. Are Matangi and Mantrini really the same? 2. Is Matangi the counselor only of Lalita Triura Sundari, or also that of Kali, Tara, Chinnamasta etc.? Alexandra SBC - Internet access at a great low price. Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 The question mixes two traditions. In Srividya, Matangi is the counselor to and an aspect of Lalita Tripurasundari. In sadhana of the Dasha Mahavidyas, Lalitha (in her 16-year-old form, Shodashi) is only one of the Ten Mahavidyas, understood as aspects of Kali. In which conception both Matangi and Tripura are both just secondary forms, like Bagala, Dhumavati, Chinnamasta etc. Hope that helps ... DB -----But from the standpoint of nonduality, where the ocean of creation is contained in every drop, the aspect called Matangi also exists in every drop of the other forms of beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Okay, but when in Kali worship Matangi is an aspect of Kali, this doesn't mean that Matangi cannot be Kali's councelor. Is she? Detective_Mongo_Phd <detective_mongo_phd wrote: The question mixes two traditions. In Srividya, Matangi is the counselor to and an aspect of Lalita Tripurasundari. In sadhana of the Dasha Mahavidyas, Lalitha (in her 16-year-old form, Shodashi) is only one of the Ten Mahavidyas, understood as aspects of Kali. In which conception both Matangi and Tripura are both just secondary forms, like Bagala, Dhumavati, Chinnamasta etc. Hope that helps ... DB -----But from the standpoint of nonduality, where the ocean of creation is contained in every drop, the aspect called Matangi also exists in every drop of the other forms of beings. / SBC - Internet access at a great low price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Thanks, rudrajoe -- This is true, of course. My reply focused on the ontological, because I understood the thrust of alexandra's question as such. The entire Cosmos, seen and unseen, is the body of DEVI. All individual goddess forms may be considered as facets of and portals to Her entirety. DB ---But from the standpoint of nonduality, where the ocean of creation is contained in every drop, the aspect called Matangi also exists in every drop of the other forms of beings. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Excuse me, but I did not ask from the standpoint of non-duality. Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:Thanks, rudrajoe -- This is true, of course. My reply focused on the ontological, because I understood the thrust of alexandra's question as such. The entire Cosmos, seen and unseen, is the body of DEVI. All individual goddess forms may be considered as facets of and portals to Her entirety. DB ---But from the standpoint of nonduality, where the ocean of creation is contained in every drop, the aspect called Matangi also exists in every drop of the other forms of beings. > > / SBC - Internet access at a great low price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Wait, wait, I'm figuring this out... On the one hand, the Devi Mahatmyam says that Durga Mata contains within her all the other forms of Shakti. On the other hand, Kaula devotees say that "all the Goddesses are forms of Kali." On the third hand (this is Hinduism, many hands!) all that lives contains the spark of Shakti, who is Durga, who is Kali. And Shree Vidya scholars (fourth hand!) say Mantrini advises Tripurasundari, who is Shodasi (a Wisdom Goddess form of Kali) -- yet Mantrini is Matangi (another Wisdom Goddess form of Kali)... So, if Durga contains all the Goddesses, and all of them (including Durga) are really Kali, when Mantrini advises Tripurasundari, is she really whispering in her own ear? And I'm my own Grandpa! I think I should buy a copy of "Hinduism For Dummies." -- Len/ Kalipadma On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:14:34 -0000 "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta writes: > Thanks, rudrajoe -- This is true, of course. My reply focused on the > ontological, because I understood the thrust of alexandra's question > as such. The entire Cosmos, seen and unseen, is the body of DEVI. > All > individual goddess forms may be considered as facets of and portals > to > Her entirety. > > DB > > ---But from the standpoint of nonduality, where the ocean of > creation > is contained in every drop, the aspect called Matangi also exists in > every drop of the other forms of beings. > > > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Dear Len: You ask: *** So, if Durga contains all the Goddesses, and all of them (including Durga) are really Kali, when Mantrini advises Tripurasundari, is she really whispering in her own ear? *** Now you're getting it! ;-) ... *** And I'm my own Grandpa! *** Yes indeed. And more than that, it is you who are whispering in your own ear. Aum Maatangyai Namahe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 As the Sadhu said to the tofu-pup vendor, "Make me One with Everything!" But he already was! Advaitically, -- Len/ Kalipadma On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:30:54 -0000 "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta writes: > Dear Len: > > You ask: *** So, if Durga contains all the Goddesses, and all of > them > (including Durga) are really Kali, when Mantrini advises > Tripurasundari, is she really whispering in her own ear? *** > > Now you're getting it! ;-) ... > > *** And I'm my own Grandpa! *** > > Yes indeed. And more than that, it is you who are whispering in your > own ear. > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > Links > > > > > > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 om srimatre namaha dear kalipadma,nameste I have been reading your mails,they are too bold and carelessly written. As for your discritpion of devi its a bit too vulgur.How you use the word is important.It is how you realy is it.Physicaly ,tantra is misleading,because it is not easily achivable to all one has to do a lot TAPASYA (Penance) to have the "real"knowledge.you have to stop debating needlessly.Beliving is very important,there should be total surrender in what you are doing,having an alter alone will not give anything. To add ,in sadhana the more you go deep the more you become abusive towards your Ishta,Because there will be no difference between you and him/her, that is higest level.But that is a long long way.so do not confuse your self stick to the basic and learn from your guru. srimata's baby srinivas sahu Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Well, sure, but there is no standpoint of nonduality as all of life is one fabric with various warp and woof. One can pick out theads ad nauseam, or one can stand back and get the picture. I would wonder why anyone would want to pin down Devi to some exact and specific form or location. Sure study is good when it relates to the practice of Devi worship, whose meditations are certainly not simple. Yet, chraging though a forest of facts accomplishes what? Even should someone figure out definitively what goes where and so on of what value is that sinces as we can easily and in real time see from these groups no one ever agrees with anyone else about anything. But this is a good thing as it makes one responsible to themselves only for their own upliftment. And so as such I have to say that before I alot resources to answering such exacting and scholarly questions I have to know the motivation of the person asking them. Simple curiosity isn't good enough motivation for me for wasting time answering. How will this person use this knowledge? And if it is to write some treatise on the subject then is the word of some newsgroup correspondent really evidentiary enough for proof of the answer? As you wrote, Matangi is the power of mantra. Mantra by the time it reaches the tongue has moved into the realm of the impure senses. When speech resides in the state of paravak then it was pure and one with Brahman. Ever motion into manifestation is a more definitive move into the realm of ignorance. This is why Matangi is the Goddess of the Impure. However her realm is that of speech. People take various Shakta systems as being separate and uncomplimentary, and yet, there is no system exactly, just as history is his story. People take all religions as being truth or compilations of truths, some of which people feel hold a torch of truth, while they feel others hold a candle. However, if people put the books down and sat quietly there would be all the truth which was ever known, or ever will be known. All religions certainly started with some inner awakening. And so inner is the key. Whether in Shodashi training camp, or Dashmaha, you will find that looking within is the key to practice and knowledge. All these deities...what's for dinner? - Devi Bhakta Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:14 AM Re: Matangi Thanks, rudrajoe -- This is true, of course. My reply focused on the ontological, because I understood the thrust of alexandra's question as such. The entire Cosmos, seen and unseen, is the body of DEVI. All individual goddess forms may be considered as facets of and portals to Her entirety. DB ---But from the standpoint of nonduality, where the ocean of creation is contained in every drop, the aspect called Matangi also exists in every drop of the other forms of beings. > > Links / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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