Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 (Continued from previous post...) By contrast, the Hindu image of Nageshwari, the Serpent Goddess is free of these negative associations. As noted in Nora's introduction on the Group's homepage, She is an almost wholly beneficent deity. And doesn't it just "feel" right that She should be? For probably 10,000 years of human history, the serpent was not a negative symbol; the Old Testament -- in its zeal to wipe out the ancient Goddess cults of Canaan -- essentially flipped the symbolism on its head. Ancient images were given new interpretations -- but humankind's genetic memory (Jung's "Collective Unconscious") is strong: Intellectual redefinitions of a symbol as old as humanity cannot that easily change our instinctive reactions. As Joseph Campbell observed: "There is ... an ambivalence inherent in many of the basic symbols of the Bible that no amount of rhetorical stress on the patriarchal interpretation can suppress. They address a pictorial message to the heart that exactly reverses the verbal message addressed to the brain -- and this nervous discord inhabits both Christianity and Islam as well as Judaism, since they too share the legacy of the Old Testament." Why did this happen? Simple: In the Bible, the "story of Eve is in part the story of the displacing of the Mother Goddess by the Father God," Baring and Cashford write. "Demythologizing a Goddess is a subtle process whereby the [holiness] that once belonged to Her is withdrawn and clothes another figure, in this case Yahweh [the 'jealous God' of the Old Testament]. Insofar as She was formerly also Creation or Nature Herself, the demythologizing process extends to the whole of nature, which becomes, like Her, fallen and cursed." The Goddess becomes woman, woman becomes cursed, and woman and all of nature are given to man to possess and rule over. Lovely, eh? Of course, such an interpretation is a trap for the overly literal and concrete mind, and much less beautiful and inspiring than a true interpretation in keeping with the ancient symbolism. From this wider viewpoint, the tale of Genesis becomes a fine parable describing the first great cultural shift of humanity -- from its hunter/gatherer origins into the first permanent agricultural civilizations. That is, the birth of human consciousness -- the moment when the human intellect created the duality, which enables civilizations to develop and grow -- but which cut us off from Nature and the Unity of the Cosmos. The role of Shaktism, of Hinduism -- of virtually any mystical religious practice on Earth -- is to reclaim that Unity; that Yoga. In his book, "You Shall Be as Gods," Erich Fromm writes: "Adam and Eve, at the beginning of their evolution, are bound to blood and soil; they are still 'blind.' But 'their eyes are opened' after they acquire the knowledge of good and evil. With this knowledge, the original harmony with nature is broken. Man begins the process of individuation and cuts his ties with nature. In fact, he and nature become enemies, not to be reconciled until man has become fully human. With this first step of severing the ties between man and nature, history -- and alienation -- begins. … This is not the story of the 'fall' of man, but of his awakening -- and thus, of the beginning of his rise." Sadhana is the practice by which we regain this lost Unity. And Shakti Sadhana -- the mystical religious practice that places the Goddess at its center -- is an especially powerful step toward that goal. That is why, in Shakti Sadhana, we say that it is not necessary -- or advisable -- to deny or reject the world in the course of one's spiritual strivings. Whereas non-mystical forms of Christianity and Islam tend to offer the Paradise of Unity with the Divine only after death, Hinduism teaches that you can have it here and now. And for that matter, Jesus -- himself a great Yogi, when taken at his word rather than the later dogma that grew up around him -- taught the same thing, in words that any Shakta would readily endorse: "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20-21.) Aum Maatangyai Namahe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, devi_bhakta writes: > Why did this happen? Simple: In the Bible, the "story of Eve is in > part the story of the displacing of the Mother Goddess by the Father > God," > > Awww man I really love your posts! This is something I have mulled over a great deal myself. The idea of the pictures in the Bible symbolically speaking to the heart whereas the ideas of the church countering this ring very true and I wish to offer my interpretation here, if I may be so bold;-) In the begininng, in Eden man lives in Harmony with nature and the energy of nature symbolized by the serpent, a symbol of life/power for all cultures and Eve the mother... A jealous god who is by no means at the very top of things (he is only creator remember and wishes to keep us locked into matter as it were instead of acheiving liberation) damns Adam and Eve for "becoming like Gods knowing Good and Evil" Good and Evil are opposite pillars like light/darkness creation/destruction life/death etc. To become a living god you must transcend the law of opposites. The Tree itself in the garden is also a powerful spiritual symbol of life and knowledge unfolding. This we all know about. ..... The Beginning Is Also The End! In Revelation what happens??? I see this: Like a pedulum the negative current of a religion which demonizes nature and the God within perishes! It is not "the world" that is destroyed, but the Christian world. The two most prominent figures of Revalation are the Scarlet woman "whore of heaven" and THE BEAST. These are the same two archetypes which are demonized in the Bible's very beginning! She appears crowned with 12 stars (zodiac) and charming the masses Hmmmm. People worship "the dragon" as God. These are symbols for the spiritual renaissance occuring now! There is a passage which describes the earth opening and Apollyon commanding locusts. Apollyon is another name for APOLLO the Greek Solar Deity and any nature religion orbits about a Solar deity who stands as a key figure. What I see perfectly well illustrated is a shift back to Paganism and the religion of nature/knowledge and away from the monotheistic trend of thought which demonizes nature and claims God is without and not within. The symbolism fits very well and I am sure the church fathers would have burned me alive for such a thought, but it is what I definitely see and looking at current events with Christianties waning power and a return to other forms of Spirtuality the Goddess and The Beast are certainly making a comeback. Being a devotee of Shiva and Shakti I can only see parallels in this and it is not Death or finality by any means, but a new Dawn-a time for spiritual rebirth. The monotheists are the only ones who speak of a final Armeggedon where everything perishes permanently. My European ancestors with Ragnarok and other apocalyptic myths along with the Hindusand their ideas of the Yugas speak only of a death in a corrupt time which leads to rebirth. It is the rigid and oppresive monotheists who perish with their limited thinking and the religion of the Goddess which again prevails! At the bibles beginning the Christian God demonizes nature worship andhumanity entered a spiritual and creative dark age. At the end the oppressed symbols of life return with a vengeance to show us that we can have salvation while still alive and we enter the garden once more. Aum Krim Kali William Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Namaskar William! *** Awww man I really love your posts! *** Wow, thank you! I appreciate you kindness. And I thank you for your excellent posts as well. Your latest raised another few thoughts in my mind, and so I'd like to take a moment and clarify what I see as Shaktism's attitude toward the other world faiths. You write *** I see this [in the symbolism of Genesis and Revelation]: ... It is not "the world" that is destroyed, but the Christian world. ...These are symbols for the spiritual renaissance occuring now! *** Your analysis of the Biblical books of Genesis and Revelation is astute. It is indeed enlightening to think of the books as symbolizing, respectively, the creation and destruction of the "oppositional" approach to religious dogma: i.e., light vs. dark; male vs. female; good vs. evil; etc. But you know, I tend to read all of it not as an objective description of what will happen to the world, but rather a *symbolic* exploration of what will happen to the individual who undertakes serious spiritual practice -- i.e. sadhana. In my last post, I spoke of Christianity's Jesus as a yogi. But what we think of today as institutional "Christianity" is mainly the work of St. Paul, who wrote the most influential *interpretive* books of the New Testament; which were then further cooked up and perverted by medieval theologians like Augustine -- and finally we end up with a nasty dogma, propounded and enforced by massive corporate entities like the Catholic and Protestant churches, with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Under all that weight of history and dogma, however, the historical Jesus --a gifted Yogi whom Hindus can understand as readily as Shankara or Ramakrishna -- can still be heard clearly. In fact, I could push my theory even further, and suggest that Jesus was -- like any true Yogi -- speaking very precisely the language of Shiva-Shakti. Exhibit A: Take the ancient Oxyrhynchus Manuscript of the Gospels -- a primary source drawn upon by the ancient Church fathers in tailoring the New Testament that has come down to us. Asked how one reaches the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus replies as one who truly believes (as do the Shaktas) that the Earth is divinity incarnate and that all of Nature is holy: "The fowls of the air and the beasts, whatever is beneath the Earth or upon the Earth, and the fishes of the sea, these they are that draw you [toward Heaven]. And the Kingdom of Heaven is within you and whosoever knoweth himself shall find it. And, having found it, ye shall know yourselves that ye are sons and heirs of the Father, the Almighty, and shall know yourselves the ye are in God and God in you." Now, don't be put off by the male-centric language. Trust me, I wouldn't be quoting it here unless I had a Shakta point in mind. You see, Jesus is simply using the male idiom of his time to explain that humanity is the son of God, the Father -- just as Shaktism (and every ancient Goddess religion) sees all humanity are the children of the Mother. But Jesus was a great Yogi whose insight extended beyond the confining Male paradigm of his time. In the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (also rejected by the ancient Church Fathers), Jesus sounds like a *real* Shakta when he speaks of the relationship between spirit and matter: "When you make the two one, and when you make the inner as the outer and the outer as the inner and the above as the below, and when you make the male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female not be female .... then you shall enter the Kingdom." (Logion 22) And again, he offers an unforgettable image of Divine Immanence: "Cleave a piece of wood, I am there; lift up the stone and you will find Me there." (Logion 77) So my belief, William, is not that any one religion is on the verge of destruction -- but my hope is that dogma and intolerance of opposing views is on the verge of destruction. Our focus is upon the Divine Feminine here in this Group; but we do not condemn or disparage any other honest and tolerant approaches to the Divine. There is no need for dogmatic Christianity to disappear -- let it remain in place for those who need it and find comfort in it. But let us also realize that -- at the individual level -- all of these labels of belief cease to have concerte meaning. After all, the Hindu mystic (or Tantric), the Buddhist mystic (or Tantric), the Muslim mystic (or Sufi), the Christian mystic (or Gnostic) -- all are approaching the same Unity with the Divinity within, where all oppositions and differences are burned away. Aum Maatangyai Namahe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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