Guest guest Posted September 11, 2002 Report Share Posted September 11, 2002 For all of our members who are American -- or for anyone who simply feels bad about a few thousand people (of all different colors, religions and nationalities) being killed for the crime of going to work in a country that some fundamentalist zealots don't much like: Let us all offer our prayers to Devi for the triumph of peace, love and understanding -- or at least for fewer innocents killed by "holy warriors" (of every nation and ideology, including the U.S.) who aren't into all that sissy stuff. Not long after the terrorist attacks last year, I chatted with a friend in Brooklyn -- a young woman (named Nataliya) from St. Petersburg, Russia, who now lives in New York City and was at work in the neighborhood when the towers crashed down. (She ruined an outfit and lost a job -- her office was 86-ed by the flying rubble -- but otherwise escaped unharmed.) Anyway, she knew that I'd been a journalist in Russia for a while; and in fact, we'd met through a common admiration for "Russia's Bob Dylan," the singer-songwriter Boris Grebenshikov (our own Nora's a fan too, it turns out!). So Nataliya told me that, in the wake of the attacks, she was listening to a certain one of his songs again and again, and that it made her feel a lot better. I tried it, and it worked for me too. It's called "When the Pain Goes Away," and it was written in 1991, as the old USSR was falling to pieces without any particular government structure in mind to replace it. The song is not about that loss per se (Grebenshikov was an underground artist, perenially harrassed by Soviet authorities), but rather it's a more general rumination about loss and hope in uncertain times. Below is a quick translation I did on the train this morning. It lacks the beauty of the original Russian's cadence and rhyme, and it's better when actually heard sung in Grebenshikov's smoky tenor, so those of you so inclined can listen along by downloading the song here: http://aquarium.sama.ru/MESTA/mp3/1991_Arhiv_tom3/11.mp3 Here's the translation: WHEN THE PAIN GOES AWAY When the rain goes away; the rain that calms us, When the shadows depart from above our land, I'll awake here, let me awake here In the tall grass, holding your hand. And let our home be free from sadness Under the shade of ancient trees -- And we'll know then all that eludes us; I'll start to wait when the pain goes away. So let the rain fall, let the snow fly, Let Death sing its songs high above our land. But I want to know, I just want to know Will we still be who we are, when the pain goes away? ********** On behalf of the Shakti Sadhana Group, Nora and I extend our warmest wishes and deepest condolences to all who lost friends and loved ones in the tragedy of one year ago. Aum Maatangyai Namahe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 OM Devi Bhakta <<Let us all offer our prayers to Devi for the triumph of peace, love and understanding -- or at least for fewer innocents killed by "holy warriors" (of every nation and ideology, including the U.S.)>> Many of those 'innocents' were Canadian. Without being too political, in a television interview aired on Sept 11, 2002, the Jean Chretien, the Prime Minister of Canada, suggested that the root causes of the of the September 11 attacks were global poverty and an over-bearing American foreign policy. We in Canada would like to see some substantial change in US foreign policy that would significantly reduce the frustration levels in many third world countries arising from the current US foreign policy. <<But I want to know, I just want to know Will we still be who we are, when the pain goes away?>> Yes, we will still be who we really are. We will still have the defining reality of Divinity. And perhaps with some honest and rigorous self-analysis, we will be closer to accepting and realizing that Divinity. "You are the master of your mind, and you have to keep it pure. Your responsibility ends there, the rest is God's [Goddess's] business" - Swami Vijnanananda "The mind is susceptible to suggestions. It learns whatever you teach it. If through discrimination you can impress upon it the joy and fullness of life in the spirit and the folly of worldly attractions, then your mind will devote itself more and more to God [Goddess]. --Swami Brahmananda "As is one's thoughts, so one becomes. This is an eternal mystery." Maitri Upanishad OM Namah Sivaya Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 Namaskar OmPrem ji: I apologize for my slow response; I'd failed to realize on first reading that your note was addressed specifically to me! Re: the Sept 11 attacks, you wrote: "the Prime Minister of Canada suggested that the root causes of the of the September 11 attacks were global poverty and an overbearing American foreign policy. We in Canada would like to see some substantial change in US foreign policy that would significantly reduce the frustration levels in many third world countries arising from the current US foreign policy." You're correct to note that this forum is no place for political debate, but I did open the door, I suppose, by posting a Sept. 11 commemoration in the first place. And so all I can say is yes, most thinking people in the world would, obviously, agree with the Prime Minister's assessment. However, we would be foolish to expect the current U.S. administration to provide such enlightened leadership. The best of that bad bunch is Gen. Colin Powell, who seems the only cabinet member able to comprehend political factors more complex and millennial than the opinion polls of Bible Belt conservatives. Unfortunately, however, Powell, as a career military man, will ultimately follow any order his commander-in-chief hands down. Bush II's conservative position is essentially that what offends the Muslim fundamentalists is not the U.S.'s foreign policy, but the U.S.'s very existence. According to that reasoning, they argue, any concession will not be taken as a peace offering, but as a sign of weakness -- and thus an invitation to further attack. Like it or not, that is the governing belief of the U.S.'s current leadership. Well, that and -- as we can see in the latest developments at the UN -- Bush II's desire to beat up the man (Iraq's Hussain) who made a monkey out of his father. And the 2004 elections are still a long march away. Thus my original conclusion: "Let us pray." *** Yes, we will still be who we really are. We will still have the defining reality of Divinity. *** This is certainly so. But I think that Grebenshikov (an initiated Tibetan Buddhist, by the way) was trying to offer a more immediate and temporal kind of comfort. I am glad to see you back, OmPrem. Aum Maatangyai Namahe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 I would hope that this explains some of the exegencies about the Saddam crisis a bit better than most other people's suppositions. Please read from Debka below: Washington's Envoy Slips into Baghdad Washington's Envoy Slips into Baghdad The United States last week delivered a secret ultimatum to Baghdad, a warning not to use non-conventional weapons on any account in the coming conflict. DEBKA-Net-Weekly's intelligence sources have learned that a secret high-level emissary entered Iraq under cover to put Baghdad on notice that if non-conventional weapons were wielded by Iraq, the US would not hesitate to level its cities with a nuclear bomb. Washington acted after discovering that Iraq had smuggled two or three nuclear devices at least into the United States for detonation by sleeper cells planted by Iraqi intelligence. The American ultimatum included a demand for accurate information forthwith on: * The location of these sleeper terrorist cells wherever they are planted, whether in the United States, Israel or anywhere else in the world - and the sites where the nuclear devices are hidden. * The whereabouts of terrorists and radiological weapons heading for the United States or any other targeted country. * The terrorist cells armed with orders to set off a biological weapon, especially one containing anthrax, smallpox or a chemical weapon such as nerve gas The US officials impressed on their Iraqi counterparts that any attempt to withhold even a smidgen of vital information would result in Washington making good on its threat. US vice president Dick Cheney, alluding to this threat in an appearance on NBC TV, warned Iraq against deploying "a single weapons system", when he really meant a single terrorist. DEBKA-Net-Weekly's sources report the United States took the unusual and politically risky course of dispatching a special envoy to Baghdad, where he could have been in harm's way, on following intelligence information that came in from the joint headquarters of US and Russian special forces in Moscow. Since August 21, this command center has been overseeing a manhunt in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan for a squad of Iraqi agents. (See item on nuclear hunt for Iraqi agents, DEBKA-Net-Weekly 74, August 23). The original presumption of intelligence officials at the headquarters was that the Iraqi teams were sent to buy enriched Uranium-235 to boost Iraq's nuclear stockpile. But early last week, this evaluation was ditched in favor of another: that the Iraqis were sent to take possession of complete nuclear weapons systems already purchased by Baghdad. Iraqi officials professed innocence to the American emissary, assuring him they had no intention of using any nuclear device as a terrorist or military weapon. Their stock of weapons of mass destruction, they said, was meant to protect Iraq from a non-conventional weapons attack by Israel or Iran. Iraq admitted obliquely for the first time that it has the bomb. But when the US emissary brought up the nuclear manhunt now under way, his Iraqi interlocutors clammed up. The White House, Pentagon and CIA no longer doubt that Iraq has joined the nuclear club. Nonetheless, the US administration continues to insist publicly that it has no idea if Baghdad has the bomb and refers to 1998 intelligence assessments that Saddam Hussein is six months away from building an atomic device. US and Israeli intelligence believe Iraq has between seven and 12 atomic bombs, and at least 15 to 40 nuclear shells of various sizes. Iraq also has five to eight cannon capable of firing the nuclear-tipped shells to a distance of hundreds of miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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