Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 Namaste Satyenji, I respect your point of view and I fully agree that a qualified guru is the best blessing that a sadhaka can have to avoid pitfalls in his path. But even without a guru, one can make progress. Did not Sankaracharya in his Atma Bodha(or Tattwa bodha or Vivekachudamani I can not remember which one) say that a guru makes a only a fourth-contribution to a students progress.Indeed texts like the Yoga-Vashishta seem to discount the grace of the guru altogether. Maa Karunamayi says that the sadhaka says that has to bring by his own efforts his consciousness to the level of the Ajna chakra; from the Ajna to the Sahasrara, it is the Guru's job. One only has to look at the history of Bharatavarsha to see how many people had attained Self-Realisation without a physical Guru- Swami Sivananda, Maa Anandamayi, Mata Amritanandamayi, Aurobindo, Ramana Maharshi, Mooka swamigal(a Kanchi Sankaracharya to whom Mother Kamakshi had appeared personally appeared), several of the Nayanar saints- these are some names that come to mind. Perhaps as Swami Sivananda has said, the guru's grace was there in a previous guru. While I await my Guru, I still not going to put off sadhana till he arrives. IMHO, siddhi in any mantra is theoretically possible without the guru albeit very difficult. Aum Namasivaya yogaman Message: 4 Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Yoga man <childofdevi Re: pancanguli devi Namaste! Pancanguli devi has to do with astrology; once you have attained the siddhi of her mantra, you will know about the past, present and future of anyone you meet. She has a special yantra, which has to be ritually worhipped and a very long stotra both of which are needed to ger her siddhi. If interested I can try to dig up the stotra. Aum Namasviaya yogaman New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2002 Report Share Posted October 3, 2002 OM Yogaman You said, "One only has to look at the history of Bharatavarsha to see how many people had attained Self-Realisation without a physical Guru- Swami Sivananda..." Swami Sivananda did indeed have a Guru, Swami Visvananda. Here is a quote from the Divine Life Society website: "At last, Dr. Kuppuswamy [swami Sivananda], enjoying a lucrative practice, renounced the world like Prince Siddartha, in 1923. He left Malaya for India. "Dr. Kuppuswamy reached Rishikesh on the 8th of May, 1924. On the 1st of June, 1924, there came His Holiness Sri Swami Visvananda Saraswati. The doctor saw a Guru in the monk and the monk saw a Chela (disciple) in the doctor. After a brief exchange of words, Dr. Kuppuswamy was initiated into the Sannyas order by Swami Visvananda. Swami Vishnudevanandaji Maharaj, the Mahant of Sri Kailas Ashram, performed the Viraja Homa ceremonies. The Guru named the doctor Swami Sivananda Saraswati. Swami Visvananda wrote the necessary instructions about Sannyas Dharma from Benares. Swami Sivanandaji stayed at Swargashram for Sadhana." Swami Sivananda did not spend a lot of time with his Guru but he did spend enough time with him. Swami Sivananda has this to say about Gurus in his book, Bliss Divine: "For a beginner on the spiritual path, a Guru is necessary. To light a candle, you need a burning candle. Even so, an illumined soul alone can enlighten another soul." "A Guru is absolutely necessary for every aspirant on the spiritual path." "Do not use your reason too much in the selection of your Guru...If you fail to find a first-class Guru, try to follow the instructions of the Sadhu who is treading the path for some years, and who has some knowlege of the scriptures...If you are not able to fine even this second-class type of Guru, you can follow the teachings contained in the books written by realised saints like Sri Sankara, Dattatreya and others. You can keep a photo of such a realised Guru, if available, and worship the same with faith and devotion. Gradually you will get inspiration, and the Guru may appear in a dream and initiate and inspire you at the proper moment. For a sincere Sadhak, help comes in a mysterious way.." "Competent disciples are never in want of a competent Guru. Realised souls are not rare...So long as there is a world, there are Gurus and Vedas to guide the struggling souls in the path of Self-realisation." You right to continue your sadhana and prepare yourself for the eventual appearance of your Guru. Om Namaha Sivaya Peter , Yoga man <childofdevi> wrote: > Namaste Satyenji, > > I respect your point of view and I fully agree that a > qualified guru is the best blessing that a sadhaka can > have to avoid pitfalls in his path. But even without a > guru, one can make progress. Did not Sankaracharya in > his Atma Bodha(or Tattwa bodha or Vivekachudamani I > can not remember which one) say that a guru makes a > only a fourth-contribution to a students > progress.Indeed texts like the Yoga-Vashishta seem to > discount the grace of the guru altogether. Maa > Karunamayi says that the sadhaka says that has to > bring by his own efforts his consciousness to the > level of the Ajna chakra; from the Ajna to the > Sahasrara, it is the Guru's job. One only has to look > at the history of Bharatavarsha to see how many people > had attained Self-Realisation without a physical Guru- > Swami Sivananda, Maa Anandamayi, Mata Amritanandamayi, > Aurobindo, Ramana Maharshi, Mooka swamigal(a Kanchi > Sankaracharya to whom Mother Kamakshi had appeared > personally appeared), several of the Nayanar saints- > these are some names that come to mind. Perhaps as > Swami Sivananda has said, the guru's grace was there > in a previous guru. > > While I await my Guru, I still not going to put off > sadhana till he arrives. IMHO, siddhi in any mantra is > theoretically possible without the guru albeit very > difficult. > > Aum Namasivaya > yogaman > > > > Message: 4 > Wed, 2 Oct 2002 > 08:59:48 -0700 (PDT) > Yoga man > <childofdevi> > Re: pancanguli devi > > Namaste! > > Pancanguli devi has to do with > astrology; once you > have attained the siddhi of her > mantra, you will know > about the past, present and > future of anyone you meet. > > She has a special yantra, which > has to be ritually > worhipped and a very long stotra > both of which are > needed to ger her siddhi. If > interested I can try to > dig up the stotra. > > Aum Namasviaya > yogaman > > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & > http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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