Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 Vanakkam, , "Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > Vanakkam Sarabhaanana > > My sincere thanks to you for correcting us. I hope you will continue > to do service for MOTHER by correcting us more often, as I believe > we learn from our mistakes. After all we ( or rather me in > particular ) is just an inexperience Sadhak, So who am I to say what > is right, and what is wrong. Will try if at all I am qualified for anything like that. >But I remember a quote which says > "what > we know is just a grains of hand, what we don't know is the whole > lot > out there !!" And I carry this quote with me all the time. Agreed > > I am not in the position to quote from scriptures but one thing is > that, there are many scriptures. And different people can interprete > the same scriptures differently, as our beloved member blu-ochs once > mentioned in his message 2978 " why there exists so many > different > interpretations of classic scriptures like the Bhagavadgita, Brahma > Sutras, the Upanishads, Shiva Sutras, Devi Mahatmya, etc... Even these interpretations are based on some guidelines. These intrepretations did not come out of thier imaginations. >Everyone > of us cannot avoid imposing a fraction of our subconscious attitudes > and values on all that we read" I agree. > > So ….. to me to argue or even to debate about it will not serve > any > purpose. Our learned former member Nsrravi once remind us in his > message 2594 "This forum is being sometimes used to show off > erudition……. The aim of such elevated forums as these should be > to > trascend maya. I request the highly accomplished Sadhakas to ensure > that this happens…. " Not only this, the same applies to many forums. > > But I believe in one thing and that is to respect other people's > opinion. So I would never go around saying "Sick and tired of > hearing > this again and again" or " I am telling you again and > again". I do respect other ppls opinions. But when some advice goes directly against what 100 and 1000s of wise men said, one has to correct that. Regarding "Sick & tired...": Yes, I said becoz i heard it many times by ppl trying to justify impure acts. Will say that in future too. There is nothing wrong with asserting truth again and again. I plan to do so in future too. > > A wise elderly man told me once > 1. " if you go to a temple or somebody's house and you > don't > like what they are doing or say, just leave quietly." > 2. "if you have nothing nice to say to anyone, then it is best > to maintain silence" which reminds me I agree with the second one. But isnt this list named "Shakti" Sadhana. What wrong in saying what Shaktas say or supposed to say on some issues. By statement 1 anything which is against shakta teachings will fall in the compound of "other person imposing views on others", in a shakta list. >the wise words of Swami > Rama "The best of all knowledge, the greatest of all powers, come > from silence" I think the silence Swamiji is talking about is different from just keeping mum when a not so proper advice is given. I guess the silence referred to in the above sentence is akin to Dakshinamurti's silence. > > And Swami Rama remind us again: "A person walking on the path of > self- > transformation should be aware of the dangers of egoism. Even while > practicing the great virtues of truthfulness and nonviolence, a > person can feed the ego. The ego related to the realm of spirituality > is more subtle and injurious than the ego related to one's > worldly > success"[sadhana: the essence of Spiritual life] This is an excellent advice. Most ppl need this. > > "Only pictures show her as riding tiger. Remember that pictures > are > drawn by artists and painters not necessarily by well learned > shaktas" > > So instead of trying to strain our head about tigers and lions ( > unless of course you are passionate about them), and why is Devi > riding on a tiger instead of a lion as the scriptures says, I like to > look beyond these forms and instead focus on the symbolism behind it. > Even our most learned member Adi Shakthi16 have reminded us many many > times in her message "we must look beyond names and forms". > Why > don't explore this symbolism of tiger/lion. A member asked me > once, > why Tiger/Lion or specifically Cat in general associated with EGO. > Well I told him, you are talking to a person who is born in the year > of the Cat : The Tiger. As we all know almost all cultures associated > ferociousness, fierceness and power with Cats. Pray, what strain will it take to decide her vahana. I just pointed out what I was familair with and what I was unfamiliar with. I did not ponder or rack my brain about this for 10 or 20 yrs to write that. Thanks for taking your time and your strain to explain your exact position on this. I agree that we should go beyond names and forms. As i undertsand, goin beyond names means understanding their true meaning. Is it not? If you have a different idea please write about it. As for forms, there is no use in analysing forms or symbolism as they are just as good as imaginations after a certain stage. It may help understabd some concepts but may not be of tha much use. > Okay lets be serious now !!! So when I see MOTHER with either a > Tiger or Lion, I am seeing myself. A reminder that if I surrender > the "Tiger" or the "Lion" in me to MOTHER, SHE will > guide me through. > > "drawn by artists and painters not necessarily by well learned > shaktas" > Let me tell you a story : > > When Devi Bhakta showed me the picture of Matangi Devi [ the one that > he painted himself ] he was full of doubts, as to weather anybody > would accept it. To me I accepted it immediately. I am seeing a > beautiful work from a person who have a pure love for MOTHER. But > you see I am a close friend, so my acceptance still have not > convinced him. He exclaimed once during our chat session "who am > I? > I am not a learned person. Others will asked : how dare him … to > even paint Mother !!!!" . Good to hear this. I donno who asked but I dont see any wrong in painting a picture of Shakti. After all, somebody has to paint. > > I went back home and showed it to my father in law, who manages a > modest Kali Shrine. I didn't even tell him that the picture is > from a > good friend. But I could see his eyes shine with delight when he saw > that picture. He looked and smile continuously only then I told him > about the painter. He left the picture in the family pooja room and > went to the shrine that Friday evening. My brother in law called the > next day to asked me about the picture and he said that his father > has been talking about it to everybody who came to the temple. He is > never like that. Always a modest and quiet man. I spend sometime > rationalizing this "irrational" behaviour of my > father-in-law. You > see Sarabhaanana this is a very simple minded person. He is not an > intellectuals who would come to the and discuss about > religious issues. What he have is pure devotion for MOTHER. And when > he sees an image of MOTHER he accepts it, as Shre Ramakrishna > himself says, once you have realize MOTHER, you will see MOTHER in > everything. If you see the sentence it says "after" you have realized. But of course the habit of seein Shakti everywhere should be cultivated even b4 realizing. >And for this simple minded person to have the talent to > paint MOTHER, that person must be guided, other wise MOTHER herself > would not allow him to touch it. And for him to have a daughter in > law who knows the painter of that particular image he is so > "crazy" > about is an honour to him, something for him to be proud about. It > might not be for others, but to him it is for he is just A SIMPLE > MINDED MAN !!!!. And I personally believe simplicity itself is > MOTHER. MOTHER is Simplicity. That needs some explanation. The statement, Simplicity is Mother > > In one of your message you remarked "if you cannot follow this, > then > stick to the scriptures" Ironic though, I have the opportunity to > chat with an aghore who remarked : "don't get yourself stuck > with the > scriptures, must expand your mind" But this is the net > Sarabhaanana. If he said that, better not follow that. Sticking to scriptures can never be an obstruction to expanding the mind. One can analyse things outside the scriptures understand'em and remember if they like. We stick to traffic rules. Dont we? Does following'em obstruct ones expansion of mind in any way? Then how does following scriptural rules obstruct that expansion(whatever that means). Best wishes S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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