Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 yes! yes! yes! sivadancer and shankaree! now, we are on the same wavelnth! No one religion has the monopoly of 'Truth' .... christianity, islam, hinduism, sikhism, jainism , buddhism etc - all have their own idealogies and their owmn belief systems and their own version of what the 'ultimate reality' is.... so, the problem is not with these religions but with those who practice these religions and make claims and say if you do not follow our way you will rot in hell! this is partly the reason why i am so much attracted to Sufism.... you would see me always quoting from Rumi, ibn arabi and sant kabir... the great sufi saint Muhiyuddin Ibn-e-Arabi propounded the famous doctrine of wahdat al-wujud (Unity of Being) which is revolutionary in many respects. "The most important aspect of this doctrine is that real Being is One i.e. God and we all are His manifestation. This implies that all human beings, whatever religion they follow, are creation of God and hence must be respected. This doctrine demolishes all walls of separation and communal hatred." "Sufi Islam is love-oriented while theological Islam is law (shari'ah- oriented and this makes all the difference). The theologians find it difficult to reconcile with those who deviate from the Shari'ah law whereas sufi Islam, being love-oriented, is not stickler for shari'ah and lays emphasis on love, love of God and love of humanity." " No wonder then that Muhiyuddin Ibn Arabi said that my heart is centre of love and it is a mosque, a temple, a church and synagogue." beloved ibn arabi says... "Those who adore God in the sun, behold the sun; and those who adore Him in living things see a living thing; and those who adore Him in lifeless things see lifeless things; and those who adore Him as a Being unique and unparalleled see that which has no like. Do not attach yourself to a particular creed exclusively so that you disbelieve in all the rest; otherwise you will lose much good: nay, you will fail to recognize the real truth of the matter. God, the omnipresent and omnipotent, is not limited by any one creed. Wheresoever you turn, there is the face of Allah." (please substitute god, krishna,, devi, buddha, etc for allah- whatever you prefer... allah here stands for divine truth) ibn arabi says... "My heart can take on any appearance. The heart varies in accordance whit variations of the innermost consciousness. It may appear in form as a gazelle meadow, a monkish cloister, an idol-temple, a pilgrim Kaaba, the tablets of the Torah for certain science, the bequest of the leaves of the Koran. "My duty is the debt of Love. I accept freely and willingly whatever burden is placed upon me. Love is as the love of lovers, except that instead of loving the phenomenon, I love the Essential. That religion, that duty, is mine, and is my faith. A purpose of human love is to demonstrate ultimate, real love. This is the love which is conscious. The other is that which makes man unconscious of himself." our beloved Penkatali, a beloved friend of ours and also a very learned member of this forum (he translated the 100 verses of saundarya lahari for shakti sadhana) once wrote... "the ideal balance is when you devoutly observe the requirements of your own faith while renouncing the temptation to get prejudiced against the others, keeping an open-minded liberality toward others while carefully tending your own garden. The perspective called the "Transcendent Unity of Religions" sees that, on this human plane, each revealed religion has a reason for its own distinct form that differentiates it from the others. The unity of them all is transcendent, meaning that it is on the highest formless plane. The mystics of each faith who have seen that transcendent unity are friends with one another, each still remaining within the bounds of his or her own tradition. They know that ultimately there is only one primordial Tradition, and the difference in forms is from Divine Providence, not something to fight over. Each form deserves to have its own integrity respected. Respect is the key. Respect yourself, respect others. " so ultimately it all boils done to LOVE AND MUTUAL RESPECT!!!! when you 'love' GOD how can you not love your fellow brothers and sisters ? after all the creator.creatrix is synonymous with his/her creation! it is for this reason even saints like shri ramana maharishi placed emphasis on awakening the 'amrita nadi' in the right side of the heart (not the physical heart) ... and shri ramana said once you experience this free flowing of the amrita nadi, there is no going back - LOVE IS ALL THERE IS!!!! TO COME TO THIS UNDERSTANDING may take time! But, there is no harm in trying! with love towrads one and all thans shankaree and siva for changing the 'direction' of the discussion and taking it to the next level... love recognizing love... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 --- adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote: > this is partly the reason why i am so much attracted > to Sufism.... Me too! You'll like this one from Sufi poet Shams-ud-din Muhammad Hafiz. Jnana, bhakti, and karma are all expressed. We are all the same! "I know the way you can get When you have not had a drink of Love: Your face hardens, Your sweet muscles cramp. Children become concerned About a strange look that appears in your eyes Which even begins to worry your own mirror And nose. Squirrels and birds sense your sadness And call an important conference in a tall tree. They decide which secret code to chant To help your mind and soul. Even angels fear that brand of madness That arrays itself against the world And throws sharp stones and spears into The innocent And into one's self. O I know the way you can get If you have not been out drinking Love: You might rip apart Every sentence your friends and teachers say, Looking for hidden clauses. You might weigh every word on a scale Like a dead fish. You migth pull out a ruler to measure >From every angle in your darkness The beautiful dimensions of a heart you once Trusted. I know the way you can get If you have not had a drink from Love's Hands. That is why all the Great Ones speak of The vital need To keep Remembering God, So you will come to know and see Him As being so Playful And Wanting, Just Wanting to help. That is why Hafiz says: Bring your cup near me, For I am a Sweet Old Vagabond With an Infinite Leaking Barrel Of Light and Laughter and Truth That the Beloved has tied to my back. Dear one, Indeed, please bring your heart near me. For all I care about Is quenching your thirst for freedom! All a Sane man can ever care about Is giving Love!" Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 thank you siva dancer! that is a beautiful verse from Hafiz... yes - Love is the answer - not some complex mantra ,,,,, not some involved yoga technique but simply 'loving kindness' what buddhists call 'metta' just learning to be kinder and more loving to each other... Hafiz writes... It happens all the time in heaven, And some day It will begin to happen Again on earth- That men and women who are married, And men and men who are Lovers, And women and women Who give each other Light, Often will get down on their knees And while so tenderly Holding their lover's hand, With tears in their eyes, Will sincerely speak, saying, "My dear, How can I be more loving to you; How can I be more Kind?" my gurudeva was always fond of narrating this story.... once a guru wanted to teach his students what real awareness is ... so he escorted five of his students to the edge of a lush, green forest and asked: "What do you see here?" The first student replied: "I see a lush, green forest." The second stated: "Yes, I see the forest, and there are many kinds of trees here. I can see at least seven varieties, may I stay and study them?" The third remarked: "The trees are very beautiful, and I notice all kinds of wildlife among them. I can see many animals and birds, may I spend some time to learn from them?" The fourth said: "I see a symphony of life, the perfect ecosystem. Each plant and animal giving, and taking; cooperating to fulfill each others needs; sustaining a harmonic balance of nature. It is a wonderous sight, may I sit and enjoy it for a while?" The fifth, tears in his eyes, whispered softly: "I see God." so, you see -siva dancer ! that is the height of awareness - seeing 'god/ess' in everyone... if we come to that level of understanding , we do not need anything else!! that is the highest religion- ! that is 'tantra' that why i regard sufis like rumi a great-"expanded consciousness' love and regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 --- adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote: > yes - Love is the answer - not some complex mantra > ,,,,, not some > involved yoga technique but simply 'loving > kindness' Yes, yes, yes!!! The masters are always saying that enlightenment is so simple, but we make it so difficult and complex. Perhaps all these complex things are needed to purify us, to concentrate our minds, even to push us off balance so that we must find the center again. But eventually we come to the true yoga, where there are no techniques, mantras, thoughts...there just IS...BEING...LOVE... "You love me, I love you" -Gurudeva "Love and be-loved" -mine "Let it Be..." -Paul McCartney "Just Be." -Calvin Klein Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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