Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 dear child of devi and other interested members, in the last few days we saw several posts on 'conversion', the caste system and the missionaries role in conversion ... dear ones, to those of who like to read a famous indian author's wel researched book on this subject- missionaries in india - i would highly recommend this book of the same name Missionaries In India by ARUN SHOURIE- .... here is a review of this book... Missionaries in India by ARUN SHOURIE List Price: $16.00 Price: $16.00 Edition: Paperback Paperback: 200 pages Publisher: South Asia Books; ISBN: 8172232705; 1 edition (May 1, 1998) Amazon.com Sales Rank: 693,870 ********************************************************************** Christian Missionaries in India, August 15, 2002 Reviewer: Dr. C. J. S. Wallia from Berkeley, California United States Reviewed by C. J. S. Wallia Arun Shourie is India's leading writer on politics and history. He has been an economist with the World Bank, a consultant in the planning commision and the editor of Indian Express. Among the many honors and awards for his writings, noted for rigorous analysis and meticulous research, he has received the International Editor of the Year Award, the Dadabhai Naoroji Award, the Magsaysay Award, and the Astor Award. In Missionaries in India: Continuities, Changes, Dilemmas, Arun Shourie focuses on the intentional misinterpretations of Hinduism by Christian missionaries. The book is based on an invited lecture, he gave at the 50th anniversary meeting of the Catholic Bishops Conference of India in January 1994. The bishops got quite an earful! Nonetheless, to their great credit, Shourie notes, "the bishops, the senior clergy, and scholars gathered at Pune heard him politely with unwavering attention." He adds, "Had I urged the themes of this lecture to our 'secularists', they would have denounced them as 'communal', 'chauvinist-fascist' and, having labeled them, they would have exempted themselves from considering what was being said." Shourie quotes from a recent issue of the Texas-based magazine Gospel for Asia: "The Indian sub-continent with one billion people, is a living example of what happens when Satan rules the entire culture... India is one vast purgatory in which millions of people .... are literally living a cosmic lie! Could Satan have devised a more perfect system for causing misery?" Swami Vivekananda during his historic visit to the U.S., a hundred years earlier, wrote: "Part of the Sunday School education for children here consists in teaching them to hate everybody who is not a Christian, and the Hindus especially, so that, from their very childhood they may their pennies to the missions .... What is meant by those pictures in the school-books for children where the Hindu mother is painted as throwing her children to the crocodiles in the Ganga? The mother is black, but the baby is painted white, to arouse more sympathy and get more money. What is meant by those pictures which paint a man burning hisown wife at a stake with his own hands, so that she may become a ghost and torment the husband's enemy? .... If all India stands up, and takes all the mud that is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and throws it up against the Western countries, it will not be doing an infinitesmal part of that which you are doing to us." Is this fair to the missionaries? one asks. What about the numerous schools, colleges, and hospitals the missionaries established in India? Did they have a hidden agenda? Yes, says Shourie quoting from Gandhiji's Collected Works. In Gandhiji's discussions with missionaries, they acknowledged that "the institutions and services are indeed incidental, that the aim is to gather a fuller harvest of converts for the Church." Many of the missionaries who came to see Gandhiji had in his words "designs to convert" him to Christianity. "But what is your attitude to Jesus? the missionaries would always come around to asking Gandhiji. He was a great world teacher among others, Gandhiji would say But that he was the greatest, I cannot accept. He had not the compassion for instance of the Buddha, Gandhiji would recount.... The reverend gentlemen would retire with the imprecation, 'Mr. Gandhi... soon there will come a day when you will be judged, not in your righteousness, but in the righteousness of Jesus."' In the central section of the book, "The Division of Labour"-- among the British administrators, missionaries, and European Indologists-- Shouire cites extensively from historical documents to establish that these three groups colluded in essential agreement that "India is a den of ignorance, inequity and falsehood; the principal cause of this state of affairs is Hinduism; Hinduism is kept going by the Brahmins; as the people are in such suffering, and also because Jesus in his parting words has bound us to do so, it is a duty to deliver them to Christianity; for this, it is Hinduism which has to be vanquished." Macaulay's notorious minute instituting English as the medium of instruction in India, says Shourie, "was laced with utter contempt for India, in particular for Hinduism, for our languages and literature: of course, Macaulay did n6t know any of those languages... his ideas about Hinduism had been formed from the calumny of missionaries .... But the breezy, sweeping damnation-- even a century and a half later, the imperialist swagger takes one's breath away." Shourie quotes, at considerable length, from the writings of two high- ranking nineteenth century British administrators, Richard Temple and Charles Treveylan. Richard Temple: "...the missions in India are doing a work which strengthens the imperial foundations of British power.. the results are fully commensurate with the expenditure." Trevelyan: "A generation is growing up which repudiates idols. A young Hindu, who had received a liberal English education, was forced by his family to attend the shrine of Kali, upon which he took off his cap to'Madam Kali,'made her a low bow, and hoped her ladyship was well." Most of the European Indologists were far from being the objective scholars they pretended to be. The two most prominent Indologists were Max Muller and Monier-Williams, both committed to uprooting and destroying Hinduism. Here's what Max Muller, the best-known European Indologist, wrote in a letter to his wife. "...I still have a lot of work to do... my translation of the Veda will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India and on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the root of that religion and to show them what the root is, I feel sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last 3,000 years." Monier-Williams, the second holder of the Boden chair of Sanskrit at Oxford University and whose Sanskrit-English dictionary is still used, wrote in its preface that "the Boden chair of Sanskrit was set up by Colonel Boden to promote the translation of Christian Scriptures into Sanskrit, so as to enable his countrymen to proceed in the conversion of the natives of India to the Christian religion." He told the Missionary Congress held at Oxford on 2 May 1877, "The chief obstacle to the spread of Christianity in India is that these people are proud of their tradition and religion." His dictionary, he hoped, would enable the translation of the Bible into Sanskrit and "when the walls, of the mighty fortress of Brahminism are encircled, undermined, and finally stormed by the soldiers of the Cross, the victory of Christianity must be signal and complete." Looking at the cauldron of calumnies cooked up Christian missionaries, the imperialists, and the so-called objective scholars, makes the outrage expressed by Swami Vivekananda and Gandhiji entirely understandable. Gandhiji wrote: "If I had the power and could legislate, I should stop all proselytising.... it is the deadliest poison that ever sapped the fountain of truth." To present the point of view of the Church, Shourie has included a 50- page report distributed by the Catholic Bishops at the Conference. This report describes the four churches which make up the Church in India--the Syrian Christian communities in Kerala; the Padroado Church originating in Goa, the Tribal Churches in Central India and in the North East; and the Dalit Churches. I highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the intellectual history and cultural make-up of contemporary India. ********************************************************************** folks, arun shourie was a contmporary of mine when i was doing my honours course in economics at a women's college in Delhi... He was Good looking, intelligent and was much sought after by girls ( if i recall) - i knew he would make it big... he was also the editor of indian express and se4ved in the foreign service and has authored many books... so, child of devi- here is a 'controversial' book by a controversial author - who explodes all the myths surrounding the 'philantrophical' motives surrounding the conversion of hindus to christianity by missionaries... please, read it and let me know!!! i will also raed it and we will xchange notes!ok? smiles!!!! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Namaste MAA Adi_shakthi! I have a great regard for Arun Shourie. When I was kid, when he used to be editor of Indian Express, I used to read his editorials with great interest though I sometimes think that he has a little bit of extremism in him. I fully agree with you that altruism is not the motive for converting; in fact the church has "business plans" for mass conversion and sometimes the pastors make their living off dollars per head converted. My teacher the late Satguru Sivasubramuniyaswami made considerable efforts to counter church propaganda. Aum Namasivaya Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 hello child of devi! how very interesting to learn that you are the sisya of of the late Satguru Sivasubramoniyaswami ... I had met Swamiji when he had come to MARYLAND a few years ago to participate in a Homa in the Sri MURUGAN tEMPLE... wOW! i remember how charismatic swamiji looked - we were all overwhelmed by his sheer physical presence- six foot tall, swamiji had the perfect body of a great Hatha Yogi and above all he had such luminosity in his face ( tejas) and the eyes were so bight .. i shivere in his presence... i felt like i had directly come into contact with some super being! i am a regular reader of 'hinduism today' and specially love swamiji's translation of great shaivite texts like thirumandiram etc... SWAMIJI was very fond of taking part in 'question and answer' seesions in which devotees could freely ask questions and clarify their doubts... in one of those question and answer sessions, a devotee asked swamiji... " Devotee: How do you view the practices of religious persons who embrace all at once Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and all the religions in a kind of universal ecumenism? Gurudeva: This is a perfectly understandable phase of spiritual evolution, but it is not the true or final path for sincere seekers. It is certainly not what Shri Ramakrishna was trying to tell people, nor was it what our own beloved satguru, Siva Yogaswami, stood for. They were both staunch Hindus, one a Shakta and the other a Saivite, who understood their religion deeply. Shri Ramakrishna did not cease being a Shakti devotee, but so fully embraced Her worship that he came to know Her vastness in embracing everything. Nor did Siva Yogaswami abandon God Siva to become everything to everyone, but was everything in being the perfectly devout Saivite. They were simply indicating, as I do, that religions are one in their movement toward God, some offering knowledge, others service, others love, attainment and direct experience. At the same time, they are different in their practices and attainments, and most assuredly distinct in their beliefs, the foundation of the attitudes of their members. It is good to love and respect all religions; it is a necessary condition of spiritual unfoldment. But it is necessary to keep firmly to a single path toward God. Our Siva Yogaswami taught that a train can only run on the tracks. Following the path given by our religion leads one onward through religious practices and sadhana into divine realization. Otherwise, there is no longer a path, but a trackless plane where each wanders totally on his own, as his own guide, often without experience, in a desert of ignorance seeking solace in a mirage, an imaginary enlightenment he can see just on the horizon but which, in reality, does not exist. Devotee: Some Hindus, particularly in the West, embrace all religions as if they were one, feeling that sectarianism is too narrow, too prone to conflicts. Why do you disagree with that view and prefer instead to promote sectarianism? Gurudeva: Religious people do not cause conflicts. They resolve them and bring peace into the world. The Anglican British in India played upon sectarianism to create strife among the members of the sects toward one another to fulfill their own divide-and-rule policy, hoping the sects would destroy each other. They did the same with the caste and sub-caste positions, as well as with money exchange between the provinces. Much strife was created through communalism, stirring dissension between Hindus and Muslims, which was exactly what the British were attempting to do. I argue against nonsectarianism because it doesn't work. It may have been good for a time, but proved to be a dead-end street, leading well-intentioned followers into an abyss of mental confusion, divorce, abortion and suicide, leading its followers to the question, "Where is the true path of Hinduism?" Our final answer to that question is the path of Hinduism is Saivism; it is Vaishnavism; it is Shaktism; it is Smartism. It is not in a Hinduism that is divorced from sectarianism, because Hinduism does not exist without its four major sects or denominations. It is a four-fold religion, the sum of its four sects. If you destroy the parts, you destroy the whole. If you eliminate the four denominations, you also eliminate Hinduism. In theory, the idea that all religions are one, or that all religions are the same, is a convincing notion. But the great experiment to abandon one's religion to embrace all others or to relinquish one's sect to become nonsectarian has not worked. Nor was this the first effort to create an eclectic, man-made religion, one that took a little of this and a little of that and a few ideas from its founder and a few improvements by its successors, and so on into an idealistic emptiness. This is always true of religious efforts which do not uphold dharma. Throughout history utopian movements have risen and fallen, bright and promising in their birth, neglected and forgotten in their demise. ********************************************************************** very powerful words, would you not agree? on another note, yes arun shourie is well known for hi controversial views on many subjects but most journalists in india get 'publicity' and 'attention' this way.... "they are opposed to everything"... smiles... thank you for sharing .... love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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