Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 PATNA, INDIA, October 21, 2002: Leaders of the Roman Catholic Church said Monday they were considering adding a Sanskrit word to liturgical prayers to make Christianity more acceptable to Hindi speakers. A synod of archbishops and bishops from India and Philippines, which began Sunday in Patina, was studying a proposal to include the word "Sachidanand" in liturgical prayers. B.J. Osta, the archbishop of Patna, stated "The word 'Sachidanand,' meaning the Trinity of Gods, also conforms to the Christian precept of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." In India, Christians generally say prayers in English or in literal translations into local languages. Osta said the church was also considering publishing a Hindi-language magazine and setting up a press to publish liturgical books in Hindi. The three-day meeting was called to find ways to make Christianity more amenable to Hindi- speakers in the wake of increasing criticism of Christian conversion activities in India. Source: http://news.sify.com/cgi- bin/sifynews/news/content/news_fullstory_v2.jsp? article_oid=12053139&page_no=1 HPI adds: The word "sachidanand" or, more properly "Satchidananda" or "Sachchidananda," means literally "Existence-consciousness-bliss," a state which can be experienced in the deepest meditation. One definition is, "A synonym for Parashakti. Lord Siva's Divine Mind and simultaneously the pure superconscious mind of each individual soul. It is perfect love and omniscient, omnipotent consciousness, the fountainhead of all existence, yet containing and permeating all existence. It is also called pure consciousness, pure form, substratum of existence, and more." This Hindu concept has no relationship to the Catholic concept of the Trinity of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 The proposers hink that by such subtrefges they can have more coversions. what will happen is the slow absorpton of cristianity into Hundusm. The problem is the resistence by some sections of Hindus. If there were no resistence to these subtrefuges, the absorion of Indian christianity will be faster with cristians becoming a sect among Hindis *smile* Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:PATNA, INDIA, October 21, 2002: Leaders of the Roman Catholic Church said Monday they were considering adding a Sanskrit word to liturgical prayers to make Christianity more acceptable to Hindi speakers. A synod of archbishops and bishops from India and Philippines, which began Sunday in Patina, was studying a proposal to include the word "Sachidanand" in liturgical prayers. B.J. Osta, the archbishop of Patna, stated "The word 'Sachidanand,' meaning the Trinity of Gods, also conforms to the Christian precept of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit." In India, Christians generally say prayers in English or in literal translations into local languages. Osta said the church was also considering publishing a Hindi-language magazine and setting up a press to publish liturgical books in Hindi. The three-day meeting was called to find ways to make Christianity more amenable to Hindi-speakers in the wake of increasing criticism of Christian conversion activities in India. Source: http://news.sify.com/cgi- bin/sifynews/news/content/news_fullstory_v2.jsp? article_oid=12053139&page_no=1 HPI adds: The word "sachidanand" or, more properly "Satchidananda" or "Sachchidananda," means literally "Existence-consciousness-bliss," a state which can be experienced in the deepest meditation. One definition is, "A synonym for Parashakti. Lord Siva's Divine Mind and simultaneously the pure superconscious mind of each individual soul. It is perfect love and omniscient, omnipotent consciousness, the fountainhead of all existence, yet containing and permeating all existence. It is also called pure consciousness, pure form, substratum of existence, and more." This Hindu concept has no relationship to the Catholic concept of the Trinity of God. shakti_sadhnaa Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 OM Sankara Menon Yes, I agree that the introduction of the term "Satchidananda" into Christian liturgy in India will allow that form of Christianity to be absorbed into Hinduism. Very simply why would anyone continue to focus all energy on the agent, i.e. Jesus, when one can go directly to the source of Christ consciousness? Jesus would become another Self-realized Guru: a state worthy of respect and adoration but not the end focus of an individual's spiritual quest. In fact, this inclusion of the concept of "Satchidanada" could have profound consequences for the redefinition and practice of Christianity around the world. Christianity might even become a viable religion. << A synod of archbishops and bishops from India and Philippines, which began Sunday in Patina, was studying a proposal to include the word "Sachidanand" in liturgical prayers.>> << The word "sachidanand" or, more properly "Satchidananda" or "Sachchidananda," means literally "Existence-consciousness-bliss," a state which can be experienced in the deepest meditation. One definition is, "A synonym for Parashakti. Lord Siva's Divine Mind and simultaneously the pure superconscious mind of each individual soul. It is perfect love and omniscient, omnipotent consciousness, the fountainhead of all existence, yet containing and permeating all existence. It is also called pure consciousness, pure form, substratum of existence, and more.>> <<The proposers think that by such subterfuges they can have more coversions. what will happen is the slow absorpton of Christianity into Hinduism. >> OM Namah Sivaya Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 oH my own kochu kochu!!!! well, let me ask you this... If christians start practicing yoga will they be introducing Hinduism into christian thought ? You know and i know and everyone else in this forum knows that 'yoga ' is not some 'physical postures' or asanas and mudras but is actually a spiritual practice seeking 'union with god' ( or Godess) !! RIGHT OR WRONG? does it mean that in course of time all those who do yoga will abandon jesus christ and become a worshipper of Krishna or shakti or shiva? The purpose of all spiritual practices is to reach a state of sat- chit-ananda or truth-bliss-consciousness? right? as the great dalai lama once said... ""It is not necessary to cast away one's spiritual upbringing. Rather, use that as the foundation for further self discovery and expression, drawing from the truths of all great spiritual traditions." WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS? kochu, then by the same token , if followers of all other faiths start practicing 'tantra' ( hindu or buddhist ) will they become converts!!! sure, THEY WILL BECOME CONVERTS -NOT CONVERTS IN THE CONVENTIONAL SENSE - BUT CONVERTS TO A NEW WAY OF THINKING AND UNDERSTANDING! expanded consciousness - where there are no artificial divisions like -hindus , christians etc... but we are all 'ONE' !!! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 well, kochu, the very first sentence in your post began like this... "The proposers hink (thonk)that by such subtrefges they can have more coversions. " smile!!!! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 OM Adi Shakthi You ask, "If christians start practicing yoga will they be introducing Hinduism into christian thought ?" Many "Christians" believe that the answer to that is a resounding, "Yes!" These people believe that yoga is a thinly-disguised attempt by Hindus to convert Christians. They view yoga (in all forms) as pagan, pantheistic and blasphemous. In their view, yoga is harmful and anti-Christian because it goes against the teachings of God, Jesus and the Bible. They see yoga as harmful because it brainwashes one to believe that they are God or can become God which, of course, from a Christian perspective is a sacrilege. For two well-known examples of how these ignorant fundamentalist "Christians" view yoga go to: http://www.probe.org/docs/yoga.html http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/yoga.htm These people are not interested in becoming, as you put it , "... CONVERTS -NOT CONVERTS IN THE CONVENTIONAL SENSE - BUT CONVERTS TO A NEW WAY OF THINKING AND UNDERSTANDING! expanded consciousness." These people are ignorant and fearful. They are manipulative and vengeful. They do not have the courage to step into the unknown. They want to do just the opposite. Their twisted minds want to maintain the divisions of religion so that they can convert (read 'debauch') others to their perverted vision. They themselves are the Anti-Christ that they fear so much. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem , "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > oH my own kochu kochu!!!! > > well, let me ask you this... > > If christians start practicing yoga will they be introducing > Hinduism into christian thought ? You know and i know and everyone > else in this forum knows that 'yoga ' is not some 'physical postures' > or asanas and mudras but is actually a spiritual practice > seeking 'union with god' ( or Godess) !! RIGHT OR WRONG? > > does it mean that in course of time all those who do yoga will > abandon jesus christ and become a worshipper of Krishna or shakti or > shiva? > > The purpose of all spiritual practices is to reach a state of sat- > chit-ananda or truth-bliss-consciousness? right? > > as the great dalai lama once said... > > ""It is not necessary to cast away one's spiritual upbringing. > Rather, use that as the foundation for further self discovery and > expression, drawing from the truths of all great spiritual > traditions." > > WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS? > > kochu, then by the same token , if followers of all other faiths > start practicing 'tantra' ( hindu or buddhist ) will they become > converts!!! sure, THEY WILL BECOME CONVERTS -NOT CONVERTS IN THE > CONVENTIONAL SENSE - BUT CONVERTS TO A NEW WAY OF THINKING AND > UNDERSTANDING! expanded consciousness - where there are no artificial > divisions like -hindus , christians etc... but we are all 'ONE' !!! > > love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 They already are doing that, I know of one church congregation here in UK that start their service with 108 chants of Gayatri mantra!! Then again there were some Catholics who attended the Navratri garba dancing and want to incorporate that into their circle dances in teh church routines.... Well before we know it future generations will be taught that Hinduism was an offshoot of Christianity and Christ the Father played teh flute in Indian subcontinent, they are already preaching that Mary took form as Mother gayatri...hence the gayatri mantra chant. If there are any Catholics here reading this do not mind the last paragraph.I just feel strongly about how Christians have at times forcibly converted people in poverty stricken parts of the world, and this means exploiting emotional sentiments or using the ability to provide charity food and clothes and then telling these people convert and we keep these supplies going!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 As a Catholic, i cannot help but see this amalagation of religious practises as nothing but good. Christianity in the Middle Ages was governed by ignorance and widespread hatred against the infidels (non- Christians) while Renaissance Christianity saw Christianity as an excuse for abuse, explotation and forced conversions of non- Christians. BUt now, in this awesome new century Catholics are finally opening up to the reality of the importance of other religions. i do understand and agree that some Christian missionaries still do use charity to convert the poor, and not only are they preaching only the partial truth about Christianity, they are also engaging in active psychological manipulation. i believe in karma.... and i also believe that God comes in many different forms... i don't feel awkward in a Hindu or Buddist temple, because i know that my Jesus must be great friends with Ganapati, BUddha and Confucius. , "kallikaputri" <kallikaputri> wrote: > They already are doing that, I know of one church congregation here > in UK that start their service with 108 chants of Gayatri mantra!! > > Then again there were some Catholics who attended the Navratri garba > dancing and want to incorporate that into their circle dances in teh > church routines.... > > Well before we know it future generations will be taught that > Hinduism was an offshoot of Christianity and Christ the Father played > teh flute in Indian subcontinent, they are already preaching that > Mary took form as Mother gayatri...hence the gayatri mantra chant. > > If there are any Catholics here reading this do not mind the last > paragraph.I just feel strongly about how Christians have at times > forcibly converted people in poverty stricken parts of the world, and > this means exploiting emotional sentiments or using the ability to > provide charity food and clothes and then telling these people > convert and we keep these supplies going!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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