shaivayogi, a friendly suggestion!!

[Guest guest]

dear one!

 

there is a 'links' section in the group....

 

you could kindly post all the important 'links' in that section; this

would free up space for posts?

 

these links that you posted are awesone; very valuable sources of

information....

 

thank you...

 

love

[Guest guest]

Greetings Adi_shakthi16

 

Thank you for your reminder to shivayogi but I don't see the need to

at all. It is the right thing for Shivayogi to do. Even if he were to

put them in the links section he still need to announce it to the

group otherwise the members will not know about it.

 

Now today afternoon I received an email from shivayogi which goes " I

sent another e-mail with some very good sites, and which took up no

more kilobytes than a regular post, I was again reprimanded for not

uploading them to the sites section, which would have taken me an

hour to do at least. I took me 20 minutes just to prepare the links

sent as an e-mail"

 

As moderators of this group, I did not make any comment on Shivayogi

message on the sites because I appreciate them. So I am disappointed

when Shivayogi feels that he is being reprimanded for trying to be

helpful to us. Please read again my message postings : Notice to

Members [ 3614 ] to avoid all this misunderstandings. Thank you for

your time

 

 

OM ParaShaktiye Namaha

[Guest guest]

dear nora,

 

who am i to reprimand? specially an ardent shiva bhakta like

shaivayogi? all i was suggesting was (that too a friendly one) is to

post 'links' in 'links' section; just as you had suggested to

upload 'files' in 'files' section...

 

Yes, one neeeds to announce when one posts a link or uploads a file -

such a 'one line' announcement will not take up a lot of space as

against posting whole lot of links in the messages section. that's

all!

 

shaivayogi is an asset to this group and we all enjoy his posts on

trika shaivism... and he has alsp put the whole 'shiva-shakti' unity

in its proper persepective...

 

so, shaivayogi- please feel free to post ; this is devi's forum and

devi is in charge , not us mortals!!!

 

love

[Guest guest]

dear adi_shakthi16

 

Who am i to reprimand?

 

Well I did not say that you reprimand. Please read my message again

with regards to this.

 

"so, shaivayogi- please feel free to post ; this is devi's forum and

devi is in charge , not us mortals!!! "

 

Yes! Shaivayogi please feel free to post, as none of moderators have

any problem with that. And Yes! adi_shakthi16 is right that this is

Devi's forum and it is Devi who is incharge. But lets face the fact

it is us mortals who are managing this forum. Each and every one of

us have our personal reasons for being here, and if it is not for the

courage and strength that Devi have given to us ( devi_bhakta and

me ) we would have abandoned this group long ago. We are being

harressed, criticised, being called a less evolved soul and many

more, and not forgetting a person who called himself/herself

ashwinikumar been trying very hard to get the group and the

moderators infected with virus, BUT despite all these, we still hang

on. Infact our passion for Devi have never been stronger. The more we

face all these obstacles, the more we feel we are closer to HER. To

us all these are a test and if its Devi willing for us to face it we

will with open arms. No troubles.

 

How many forums are there, where the moderators have simply given up

hope or disappear, and the forum left unattended and becoming the

playground where members throw insult at each other. Some posted

phonographics messages. I was a member of Lakshmi club and there is a

message insulting Lakshmi Devi, and nobody is there to delete the

message. What happen to the moderators?

 

 

Om ParaShaktiye Namaha

[Guest guest]

May we all embibe that Shakti continuously!

 

Guru Om

Markandeya

 

-

adi_shakthi16

Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:59 AM

Re: shaivayogi, a friendly suggestion!!

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes! Shaivayogi please feel free to post, as none of moderators have

any problem with that.

>Thank you for the kindness

 

And Yes! adi_shakthi16 is right that this is

Devi's forum and it is Devi who is incharge. But lets face the fact

it is us mortals who are managing this forum. Each and every one of

us have our personal reasons for being here, and if it is not for the

courage and strength that Devi have given to us ( devi_bhakta and

me ) we would have abandoned this group long ago. We are being

harressed, criticised, being called a less evolved soul and many

more, and not forgetting a person who called himself/herself

ashwinikumar been trying very hard to get the group and the

moderators infected with virus, BUT despite all these, we still hang

on.

>A former list 'owner', there is nothing but complete sympathy there. People can

tend to get very mean when they are addressing a post and not a face. An

enormous amount of 'spiritual' lists out there are more reminiscent of a barroom

argument than a spiritual forum.

 

 

How many forums are there, where the moderators have simply given up

hope or disappear, and the forum left unattended and becoming the

playground where members throw insult at each other. Some posted

phonographics messages. I was a member of Lakshmi club and there is a

message insulting Lakshmi Devi, and nobody is there to delete the

message. What happen to the moderators?

>Oh my goodness, of this there is no doubt

 

guru Om

Markandeya

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks you once again shaivayogi for this statement. Let me clarify

certain things

 

"A former list "owner""

 

As Adi_shakthi16 remarked "this is Devi's forum and Devi is in

charge" which also mean Devi as in Mother Sakthi is the OWNER

and

the FOUNDER of this group. SHE is the FIRST, the PRESENT and the

FUTURE owner of this group. I am not sure who you are referring to as

the former list "owner" because there is none !!!!!!!

 

But what we have is the moderators and so far we have worked pretty

well like a team. And do you know why? Because we respect and trust

each other, and most important thing of all we have a common goal. It

is like building a temple or a house shaivayogi , the foundations

must be solid other wise it will crumble at the slightest tremors. It

is very difficult to work with a moderator who have a personal

agenda of their own. You mention in your private email to me about

EGO. There is a lot of talk about EGO but I do wonder somehow do we

actually understand what it is all about.

 

AND it is because over here we have complete sympathy and our deepest

respect that we shall not persue this so called `former list

owner'

that you are referring to. We don't want to wash our dirty linen

in

public don't we ? But what I really like you to do is to please

go

through the daily digest collection that I have compile and read

them, then you will know the truth as to what have been happening in

this group. Messages got posted and deleted in the message board,

but in the daily digest all messages are in there including the

deleted messages. And I have personally save them because I know

somehow there will many more shaivayogi who are dying to know.

 

Now! I once reply to one of our members :

 

"I agreed with you wholeheartedly on this. And this is my utmost

wish

too that Shakti Sadhana is not just a cyber group but a much more

meaningful get together of Sadhaks. To be well organized, we need

commitment and a common goal ( of which should be for the

Glorification of Mother) where all of us will work towards it, minus

our personal ego. Would you agree? " [ see message 3242 ]

 

"An enormous amount of 'spiritual' lists out there are more

reminiscent of a barroom argument than a spiritual forum."

 

Agree with you on this, but this is bound to happen and I am not

shock at all. Remember in my private reply to your email I remarked :

it takes a different sort of people to make this world. That is why

this world is so interesting.

 

If you have people who called themselves spiritualist going around

calling other a less evolved soul, or branding people who to them are

less spiritualist , or saying " I am a realize person" or

" I know a

realize person when I see one" or " when you are realize like

me then

you will understand " it makes one wonders don't you think?

Perhaps

this is just a web maya and MOTHER is teaching us in her own way.

Don't you agree Shaivayogi?

 

And yes !!! shaivayogi "May we ALL embibe that Shakti

continuously"

 

OM ParaShaktiye Namaha

[Guest guest]

Thanks you once again shaivayogi for this statement. Let me clarify

certain things

 

"A former list "owner""

 

As Adi_shakthi16 remarked "this is Devi's forum and Devi is in

charge" which also mean Devi as in Mother Sakthi is the OWNER

and

the FOUNDER of this group. SHE is the FIRST, the PRESENT and the

FUTURE owner of this group. I am not sure who you are referring to as

the former list "owner" because there is none !!!!!!!

>>> Your doing it again. Your picking apart my statements. I was only saying in

common terms that I used to manage a list myself. I think we all understand that

all is Devi. If you really did you would not have to remind everyone else all

the time.

 

 

But what we have is the moderators and so far we have worked pretty

well like a team. And do you know why? Because we respect and trust

each other, and most important thing of all we have a common goal.

>>>There is no need to talk to this list like you have a team of superfriends.

Get over your superiority complex. Your not the 'shining' example for the list

and the world to go by. Quit breaking your shoulder trying to pat yourself on

the back while you nitpick at others.

 

It

is like building a temple or a house shaivayogi , the foundations

must be solid other wise it will crumble at the slightest tremors. It

is very difficult to work with a moderator who have a personal

agenda of their own. You mention in your private email to me about

EGO. There is a lot of talk about EGO but I do wonder somehow do we

actually understand what it is all about.

>>>I think 'we' all understand who you are trying to indirectly imply with that

term, but do you would do well to purify yourself and your hands would be full.

 

AND it is because over here we have complete sympathy and our deepest

respect that we shall not persue this so called `former list

owner'

that you are referring to. We don't want to wash our dirty linen

in

public don't we ?

 

>>>Hmmm, I have never considered myself dirty linen

 

And I have personally save them because I know

somehow there will many more shaivayogi who are dying to know.

>>>What am I dying to know, tell me oh seer.

 

 

 

"An enormous amount of 'spiritual' lists out there are more

reminiscent of a barroom argument than a spiritual forum."

 

 

Agree with you on this, but this is bound to happen and I am not

shock at all. Remember in my private reply to your email I remarked :

it takes a different sort of people to make this world. That is why

this world is so interesting.

>>>Baloney, its people showing a lack of respect, period

 

If you have people who called themselves spiritualist going around

calling other a less evolved soul, or branding people who to them are

less spiritualist , or saying " I am a realize person" or

" I know a

realize person when I see one" or " when you are realize like

me then

you will understand " it makes one wonders don't you think?

>>>I think you think too much about others and too little about your own sadhana

 

And yes !!! shaivayogi "May we ALL embibe that Shakti

continuously"

>>>Well, there's one humble statement, that's a start.

 

Guru Om

Markandeya

 

 

 

 

 

OM ParaShaktiye Namaha

 

 

 

 

 

shakti_sadhnaa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

OM Markandeya

 

Despite your earlier talk of high thinking and rising above the

ego, this last post of yours clearly demonstrates that your ego is

very strong and getting in your own way. You are bit too defensive

to be credible in this instance.

 

Instead of engaging Nora or even Adi Shakthi, why could you not

just sit back and allow the moderator, Nora, handle the situation

as she saw fit? Except to inform Nora that she simply misread

your post when you referred to yourself as a former list owner,

any other comments that you make in this issue merely stirs the

waters of ego, dissent and estrangement. Better to say nothing

and allow the waters to calm down.

 

Om saha naavavatu, saha nau bhunaktu,

Saha veeryam karavaavahai

Tejasvinaavadheetamastu,

Maa vidvishaavahai

Om Shantih, Shantih, Shantih

 

Om. May That protect both teacher and pupil. May That cause us

both to enjoy the Bliss of Liberation. May we both exert to find out

the true meaning of the Scriptures. May our learning be brilliant.

May we never quarrel with each other. Om. Peace. Peace. Peace.

 

OM Namah Sivaya

 

Omprem

[Guest guest]

--- Markandeya <trika wrote:

> >>>Hmmm, I have never considered myself dirty linen

 

NEVER? Perhaps you should, oh seer?

 

If you get angry at this, you still have ego. We all

still have ego if we're alive and breathing.

 

AUM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

NEVER? Perhaps you should, oh seer?

 

If you get angry at this, you still have ego. We all

still have ego if we're alive and breathing.

>The world is as one sees it. I certainly have no problems with your assets

or shortsightedness, or your station in life. It would be foolish to do so, just

as it would be foolish for you to do with myself or anyone else. And yes, I

certainly do appreciate your criticisms, words are only words, it is the intent

behind them. This will be your experience too in due course.

 

Guru Om

Markandeya

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

OM Markandeya

 

Despite your earlier talk of high thinking and rising above the

ego, this last post of yours clearly demonstrates that your ego is

very strong and getting in your own way. You are bit too defensive

to be credible in this instance.

 

Om prem, please try not to speak about others whom you have no knowledge of.

It just makes you look like the very thing you are accusing a person of. If you

want to call me a hobgoblin, do so, but do not presume to think you know anyone,

when you have only one person to know, yourself. Once you know yourself, you

will know all.

 

If you want to take the time to analyze others, perhaps you should consider

analyzing yourself. That is the essence of true sadhana. I don't have a care if

you like or hate me, for it only you that you hamper by doing so. Making

judgements damages you, and no one else.

 

 

Instead of engaging Nora or even Adi Shakthi, why could you not

just sit back and allow the moderator, Nora, handle the situation

as she saw fit? Except to inform Nora that she simply misread

your post when you referred to yourself as a former list owner,

any other comments that you make in this issue merely stirs the

waters of ego, dissent and estrangement. Better to say nothing

and allow the waters to calm down.

 

How I make my points is for me to know, is it not? As for how it comes

across to you, accept it or reject it. Perhaps someone will come and criticize

your criticizm, but who cares? Initially, all my posts were geared at providing

information, but the true spirit of this list is beginning to become evident. So

much energy being spent nit picking others, when the real sadhana or practice

should be inner. I am indeed regretful for one thing, providing all the posts of

information, which started this silly waste of time to begin with. Be still.

 

Now, if you are finished, and we will see, I would like to fall silent. There is

far too much false authority in posts such as this one to accomplish anything at

all. Discount me if it makes you feel better, but turn within and stop wasting

your time assuming the role of rebuker when you have no clue as to the why and

when of things said. 'Clearly demonstrate' your ability to work on yourself.

 

Guru Om

Markandeya

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear all:

why not we just stop this. This forum, IMHO, is not intended for these running

fights which waste time and energy.

Modeators please do not post messages of running fights for or against. Anything

concerning sadhana or material connected thereto need be posted. That is my

opinion. Of course any other matters (ike Sudha's case) also requires posting n

the group.

The very silence of majority of members makes me feel that is the view of

majority. People are FORCED to speak out when this gets out of hand.

Lets proceed with our quest not these irrelevanat personal things.

Thank you

Markandeya <trika wrote:

 

NEVER? Perhaps you should, oh seer?

 

If you get angry at this, you still have ego. We all

still have ego if we're alive and breathing.

>The world is as one sees it. I certainly have no problems with your assets

or shortsightedness, or your station in life. It would be foolish to do so, just

as it would be foolish for you to do with myself or anyone else. And yes, I

certainly do appreciate your criticisms, words are only words, it is the intent

behind them. This will be your experience too in due course.

 

Guru Om

Markandeya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

shakti_sadhnaa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Greetings kochu1tzji

 

Thank you for this timely reminder. Sometimes it is rather difficult

for us as moderators but we will try. Thank you once again.

 

 

OM ParaShaktiye Namaha

[Guest guest]

>> I second that motion

 

Dear all:

why not we just stop this. This forum, IMHO, is not intended for these running

fights which waste time and energy. Moderators please do not post messages of

running fights for or against. Anything concerning sadhana or material connected

thereto need be posted. That is my opinion. Of course any other matters (ike

Sudha's case) also requires posting n the group.

 

Guru Om

M

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nora,

 

I thank you in my heart and I thank Devi Bhakti in my heart for

maintaining this group. Thank you for providing this refuge for me,

in search of Her. Thank you for your endurance, for your struggles,

for your input.

 

pr