Who is the Ideal Wife?

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Greetings Lionserpert358

 

Sorry about the slow reply. I am on many Forums (too many!) at the moment and

had to wade through a mass of e-mails!

 

I'm glad you enjoyed my post. To be really honest I believe in the total

equality of the sexes, but I posted in favour of the superiority of the

female to (1) create a balance [against the original patrirarchal posting]

and (2) to show the ludicrousness of such an approach. Notice how the story

of "the Ideal Wife" was accepted as normal by most, but as soon as one speaks

of its opposition - viz. an ideal of husbandry as a male submitting to the

female - it seems a somewhat outrageous concept. This is past conditioning of

a only-now-starting-to-end patriarchal age.

 

As far as femme domme in s/m and sexual roleplay go, I believe this is a

psychological reaction (by men mainly) to being themselves imbalanced by

having a patrirachal viewpoint practically forced on them in their

upbringing.

 

I actually agree with everything you said.

 

Thank you for your balanced and enlightened reply. if every man was like you,

there wouldn't be a problem. For many women you would make "an ideal husband"

: -)

 

Kindest Regards,

Elizabeth.

 

 

 

In a message dated 17/11/02 17:51:20 GMT Standard Time,

lionserpent358 writes:

 

> In a message dated 11/17/2002 9:04:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> VenusCastina33 writes:

>

> """Sorry if this post offends anyone, but the question was

posed...""""

>

>

> Don't worry about that with me! I don't really get offended too easily!!!

> However, I do question a few of your statements like......

>

>

> """ One who fights

>

> > for her right to be treated at the very least as an equal, but (ideally)

> a

> > superior to her husband."""

>

>

> Why ideally superior???

>

> >

> > """"It is not the ideal wife that should be obedient to her husband's

> > wishes at

> > all, but rather one who is able to satisfactorily guide and lead the

> > husband

> > in life, so that he sees the virtue in following the greater natural

> Wisdom

> > of Woman."""

>

>

> Why is the wisdom more greater and natural??? I do like the part about not

> being subservient, but instead being a guide.........

>

> >

> > """"Woman is more sensitive and intuitive than man, she bears a child,

> the

> > highest of all possible actions, being the bringer of Life itself upon

> the

> > planes of Parkriti, and is closer to the Goddess (the Source of

> everything

> > else) thus man, recognizing he is her superior in physical strength,

> should

> > equally acknowledge his inferiority in almost every other walk in life -

> > especially rulership and decision-making. """

>

>

> Again, I agree with some of it, but the part about me aknowledging my

> inferiority-Forget It!!!!!!

>

>

>

> """A mother is the most natural ruler

>

> > of all and should, in my humble opinion be made the undisputed head of

> the

> > family.""""

>

>

> That, I don't really disagree with and I am very interested to learn more

> about Matriarchal families/societies and it's a shame there are not too

> many

> left! I think perhaps in some places in Africa and possibly Kerala too.

> Apparently Kerala has a rich and recent tradition of Matriarchal family

> rule

> with the woman in charge, this could be worth checking out.

>

> Basically from what I know, the men were there to help father children and

> took a minimal role in their upringing. The women had many "husbands" and

> they might come over once a week or so alternating shifts and then

> returning

> home to sleep in their own house!!! Of course the Christians thought this

> was

> an abomination and I think they made steps to outlaw the practice. Old

> traditions don't die quickly, so there are probably at least many vestiges

> of

> this sort of thing there.

>

>

> > """ It is clearly a corruption of what the

> > Buddha actually said, which was that man (symbolized here as a "wife") in

> > relation to his spiritual spouse, ie. the Truth (to which, if he is a

> true

> > follower of the Buddha, be married), should be humble, submissive,

> > worshipful

> > and totally obedient."""

>

>

> If everyone worked that way there would be more balance and peace in the

> world, but not neccessarily free of pain either. We are only physical

> organisms while alive and it's hard not to bow to the power of our

> instincts

> and the forces of the physical world. I really don't see violence and war

> going away anytime soon and often think that in a way these things are

> quite

> natural for us since we are animals!!!

>

> What to do?? If one adopts a totally passive spiritual/philosophic view

> then

> sadly there will be someone lacking that who comes and takes what the other

> has by force!!!

>

> For me balance is essentially the right path and the practice is seeking

> that

> balance. If I were too spiritually motivated my body and the physical world

> would have less of me! I wouldn't be able to survive in America as a Sadhu

> unless I was truly blessed!!!

>

> On the flipside, if I were overly materialistic I would be blind to

> rational

> thought and would quickly be devoured by the many daemons of instinct and

> passion that grip me! I am often amazed at how disgusting my thoughts are!

> This is honesty friends- I think about all kinds of material pleasure A

> LOT,

> but you know what, I try not to act on every impulse and focus my mind

> turning the energy to something greater.

>

> I am an animal!!! What else can I do but try my best to focus my life into

> a

> productive event. Balance for me is crucial and I worship the Mother

> because

> I seek the liberation it brings from all dualities.

>

> This was my only problem with your post. Amongst the seeds of wisdom there

> was a sexist leaning towards women. I love women! Don't get me wrong, but

> there are a lot of stupid women out there!!! Oh yes, I know there is

> certainly a plethora of stupid men!!

>

> No time to be critical now, most people are dumb! Why worry about them,

> when

> you try to change people it usually isn't very good. I think

> self-empowerment

> is the key and then using that power to further the will of life.

>

> I generally liked your post, but the female domination part seemed a little

> irrational.

>

>

> Female domination might be fun for Tantric or S/M scenarios, but I want

> freedom and don't want to be controlled by anybody!