Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 It has come to my attention that some have not realised what mantra sadhana is, no matter what mantra you say, whatever rituals you do or how many times or you say a particular mantra even in it's millions you will never master it. Lord Shiva among other Rishis and beings cursed all mantras and placed a Kilana; this is to prevent the misuse of the mantra, a lot of you think I am doing you a big favour by giving you special sadhanas however I am under an oath never ever to give out the Utkilana mantra except for a few sadhanas which I will not mention. A kilana basically bounds a mantra, it acts like a lock no matter how many times you try to open a door it will not open unless you have a key thus the utkilana mantra and utkilana rites. Mantras that I share with you people like that of the Dakini will still help you without it's utkilana. If you really please the goddess then she will open the door for you but this is a million times harder, when you start of a sadhana with chastity, sincerity, devotion, love and without any desire whatsoever with only purity then Devi herself will give you the ukilana. When I first started at I couldn't even read Devanagari, and I was still in my nappies Devi took pity on my pathetic soul and that is why I got luck I didn't even know that I could ask Devi for something hence I didn't have desire, she still didn't come in her viraat roop nor has she ever graced me with that since; however all this was revealed to me when I met Babaji. There is only one mantra of devi that still is extremely powerful without Utkilana mantra that is Kungika, even Gayatri needs Utkilana but the Kungika well this mantra encapsulates the supreme Shiva and Shakti it has all the gods and goddesses inside of it and mostly is in association with the Kundalini. Many of you think your Kundalini is starting to Open unless you attain the ability to levitate that simply means that your muladhara is still asleep, when your first chakra opens gravity looses it's effect on you as the Devi Gita clearly points out. My Kundalini is still snoring away and so it should be, it is too much trouble to open it without the assistance of a Guru. The Kungika is always found with the durga saptashati, open it up and you will find it somewhere at the end, this mantra seriously is only second to the deva mantra and that again I will not delve into. However technically it is second to none and so should you see it that way. That mantra's nature is perfection, if you recite it a thousand times everynight meditating on a particular goddess and doing rituals associated with the goddess that Devi will give you her darshan. Of this there is no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Thank You Kalika Putra for this warning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 >Many of you think your Kundalini is starting to Open >unless you attain the >ability to levitate that simply means that your >muladhara is still asleep, >when your first chakra opens gravity looses it's >effect on you as the Devi >Gita clearly points out. >My Kundalini is still snoring away and so it should >be, it is too much >trouble to open it without the assistance of a Guru. No so Kalika putra. It depends where you are in awareness, if some is very strongly in the mooladhara, only then with the kundalini awakening will he begin to levitate. Most people who have the awakening are not in mooladhara, so levitation is very rarely seen (refer to Lee Sannella who first systematically studied Kundalini awakening after Carl Jung). The description in devi gita and other hatha yoga texts is a very generic description and may not apply to all. In most cases, it is not a full awakening- this would be characterized by currents going up and down the spine(pranothana going into the pingala), sensations of ice-cold waves engulfing the body, vibrations going off certain chakras, some psychic abilities etc. There is a detailed description of the phenomena and its effects in the wonderful book KUNDALINI TANTRA by Satyananda Saraswati of the Bihar School of yoga. Your kundalini is definitely not as sleepy as your are claiming; visions of the deity, darshan of the MOTHER can only come to one whose awareness is in anahata or above. Aum Namasivaya yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 OM kalika Putra You are quite right that very authentic Mantra contains a lock or plug to conceal the Pure Consciousness that lies within the Mantra. This is to protect the devotee from mental/ physical injury/death due to the premature arousal of Kundalini in a body, mind, intellect that is ill-prepared for it . But, no less an authority than Swami Vishnu Devananda says that plug can be 'removed by constant prolonged repetition' of the Mantra. Such repetition is of course conducted in a devout manner with full awareness and not in a rote manner. Furhthermore, the devotee is constantly purifying hiself/herself with other types of sadhana including the constant application of Patanjali's Yamas in thought, word and deed during their daily life. The true Mantra has six characteristics: 1. It was revealed to a Sage who achieved Self-Realization using it and then passed it on to others. 2. It has a presiding deity 3. It has a specific meter 4. It has a Bija or seed mantra imbedded in it that imparts the special power that is the essence of the Mantra 5. It has Shakti or a dynamic, divine power 6. It has the lock or plug that you mentioned. Just as there is no religion or spiritual path that is 'better' than the others, so too there is no Mantra that is 'better' than others. Each religion or spiritual path is intended to appeal to those of a specific personality or karmic load. Each Mantra is also intended for a specific personality. Paths are many, Truth is One. OM namah Sivaya Omprem , "kalika Putra" <dakinic_monk> wrote: > > > > It has come to my attention that some have not realised what mantra sadhana > is, no matter what mantra you say, whatever rituals you do or how many times > or you say a particular mantra even in it's millions you will never master > it. > > Lord Shiva among other Rishis and beings cursed all mantras and placed a > Kilana; this is to prevent the misuse of the mantra, a lot of you think I am > doing you a big favour by giving you special sadhanas however I am under an > oath never ever to give out the Utkilana mantra except for a few sadhanas > which I will not mention. > > A kilana basically bounds a mantra, it acts like a lock no matter how many > times you try to open a door it will not open unless you have a key thus the > utkilana mantra and utkilana rites. Mantras that I share with you people > like that of the Dakini will still help you without it's utkilana. > > If you really please the goddess then she will open the door for you but > this is a million times harder, when you start of a sadhana with chastity, > sincerity, devotion, love and without any desire whatsoever with only purity > then Devi herself will give you the ukilana. > > When I first started at I couldn't even read Devanagari, and I was still in > my nappies Devi took pity on my pathetic soul and that is why I got luck I > didn't even know that I could ask Devi for something hence I didn't have > desire, she still didn't come in her viraat roop nor has she ever graced me > with that since; however all this was revealed to me when I met Babaji. > > There is only one mantra of devi that still is extremely powerful without > Utkilana mantra that is Kungika, even Gayatri needs Utkilana but the Kungika > well this mantra encapsulates the supreme Shiva and Shakti it has all the > gods and goddesses inside of it and mostly is in association with the > Kundalini. > > Many of you think your Kundalini is starting to Open unless you attain the > ability to levitate that simply means that your muladhara is still asleep, > when your first chakra opens gravity looses it's effect on you as the Devi > Gita clearly points out. > My Kundalini is still snoring away and so it should be, it is too much > trouble to open it without the assistance of a Guru. > > The Kungika is always found with the durga saptashati, open it up and you > will find it somewhere at the end, this mantra seriously is only second to > the deva mantra and that again I will not delve into. However technically it > is second to none and so should you see it that way. > > That mantra's nature is perfection, if you recite it a thousand times > everynight meditating on a particular goddess and doing rituals associated > with the goddess that Devi will give you her darshan. Of this there is no > doubt. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 > But, no less an authority than Swami Vishnu Devananda says > that plug can be 'removed by constant prolonged repetition' of the Namaste! I am a big admirer of Swamiji. It may be said that Swamiji was the only true yoga teacher in the west who had self-realisation. the others(iyenger, pattabhiram jois) are no doubt very knowledgeable in the theory and practice of yoga, but without self-realisation , are more like gymnasists(pls, i am not belittling anyone here but the true purpose of yoga is to turn "onward, forward and godward" as swami sivananda would put it, health benefits are secondary) > 1. It was revealed to a Sage who achieved Self-Realization using > it and then passed it on to others. > 2. It has a presiding deity > 3. It has a specific meter > 4. It has a Bija or seed mantra imbedded in it that imparts the > special power that is the essence of the Mantra > 5. It has Shakti or a dynamic, divine power > 6. It has the lock or plug that you mentioned. > The sixth attribute of the mantra is kilaka, meaning pole- this is where the aspirant should concentrate on while chanting the mantra, every mantra has shakti, beeja and kilaka; this is DIFFERENT from kilana which is what the undermentioned "lock" on the mantra refers to. Is that correct? yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 OM Child of Devi In my humble opinion, the point of concentration for japa is separate from the mantra and any of its characteristics. There are two recommended points of concentration: those who have a rational approach to life should concentrate on the Ajna Chakra while performing Japa; those who have an emotional or devotional approach to life should concentrate on the Anahata Chakra. The lock or plug or safeguard of the Mantra is inherent in the Mantra and separate from the point of concentration. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem , "childofdevi <childofdevi>" <childofdevi> wrote: > > But, no less an authority than Swami Vishnu Devananda says > > that plug can be 'removed by constant prolonged repetition' of the > > Namaste! > > I am a big admirer of Swamiji. It may be said that Swamiji was the > only true yoga teacher in the west who had self-realisation. the > others(iyenger, pattabhiram jois) are no doubt very knowledgeable in > the theory and practice of yoga, but without self-realisation , are > more like gymnasists(pls, i am not belittling anyone here but the > true purpose of yoga is to turn "onward, forward and godward" as > swami sivananda would put it, health benefits are secondary) > > > 1. It was revealed to a Sage who achieved Self-Realization using > > it and then passed it on to others. > > 2. It has a presiding deity > > 3. It has a specific meter > > 4. It has a Bija or seed mantra imbedded in it that imparts the > > special power that is the essence of the Mantra > > 5. It has Shakti or a dynamic, divine power > > 6. It has the lock or plug that you mentioned. > > > > The sixth attribute of the mantra is kilaka, meaning pole- this is > where the aspirant should concentrate on while chanting the mantra, > every mantra has shakti, beeja and kilaka; this is DIFFERENT from > kilana which is what the undermentioned "lock" on the mantra refers > to. Is that correct? > > yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 OM Child of Devi You said, "I am a big admirer of Swamiji. It may be said that Swamiji was the only true yoga teacher in the west who had self-realisation. the others(iyenger, pattabhiram jois) are no doubt very knowledgeable in the theory and practice of yoga, but without self-realisation , are more like gymnasists..." As a direct disciple of Swami Vishnu and one who had close contact with him before his mahasamadhi (Swamiji offered himself to me as Guru, performed a marriage homa for us, gave me shaktipat during mantra initiation and several times urged me to come and live at his ashram, etc.), I am pleased that you think very highly of him. He was certainly Self-realized. He is still available to his disciples if they choose to attuned themselves to him and listen with their heart. You are also correct that some of the popular teachers that you mentioned are not Self-realized and pay more attention to the physical aspect of yoga than they should (Jois, Richard Freeman and all the so-called Ashtanga/Power Yoga crowd) , but I wonder about B.K.S. Iyengar. I have had no direct contact with him so I cannot say that he is not Self-realized, but from reading his books it seems possible he could be. I hope so. More are needed. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem , "childofdevi <childofdevi>" <childofdevi> wrote: > > But, no less an authority than Swami Vishnu Devananda says > > that plug can be 'removed by constant prolonged repetition' of the > > Namaste! > > I am a big admirer of Swamiji. It may be said that Swamiji was the > only true yoga teacher in the west who had self-realisation. the > others(iyenger, pattabhiram jois) are no doubt very knowledgeable in > the theory and practice of yoga, but without self-realisation , are > more like gymnasists(pls, i am not belittling anyone here but the > true purpose of yoga is to turn "onward, forward and godward" as > swami sivananda would put it, health benefits are secondary) > > > 1. It was revealed to a Sage who achieved Self-Realization using > > it and then passed it on to others. > > 2. It has a presiding deity > > 3. It has a specific meter > > 4. It has a Bija or seed mantra imbedded in it that imparts the > > special power that is the essence of the Mantra > > 5. It has Shakti or a dynamic, divine power > > 6. It has the lock or plug that you mentioned. > > > > The sixth attribute of the mantra is kilaka, meaning pole- this is > where the aspirant should concentrate on while chanting the mantra, > every mantra has shakti, beeja and kilaka; this is DIFFERENT from > kilana which is what the undermentioned "lock" on the mantra refers > to. Is that correct? > > yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 you are wrong only a guru or utkilana mantra and open a mantra. Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 hey kalika putra, this applies mainly to esoteric mantras right?. i think Swamiji(Vishnudevanada) was referring to common mantras such as OM NAMAH SIVAYA etc which are siddh mantras and hence no need for utkilana or guru(no doubt guru would quicken it) to open it- the gayatri too belongs to this category. of course the mantra would open up only for nishkama japa towards self-realisation. yogmaan <dakinic_monk> wrote: > > you are wrong only a guru or utkilana mantra and open a mantra. > > > > > Greetings > - Send your seasons greetings online this year! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Om Namah Shivaya; that is mantra as well as nama smarana; if you are really insearch of a mantra where there isnt a great need for utkilana then Maha Mrityumjaya and Kungika are your best bets. Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 what about the srividya panchadasakshari(ka ee ila..) does that have utkilanas? there are several tantrik texts that proclaim this as the supreme highest mantra. and besides it is the combo of gayatri, mrityumjaya and jatavedase rik. the nityotsava is the only text as far as i know that gives off the utkilanas for certain mantras(kochuji can correct me if am mistaken). the main reason for asking the above is out of curiosity- using an utkilana is like playing with fire and i have no intention of doing that at least for now. yogaman , Kalika Putra <dakinic_monk> wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya; that is mantra as well as nama smarana; if you are really insearch of a mantra where there isnt a great need for utkilana then Maha Mrityumjaya and Kungika are your best bets. > > > > > Greetings > - Send your seasons greetings online this year! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Utkilanas are for sadhakas who have done at least one purascharana of the mantra. It is not dangerous by itself (nothing is). Wrong usage for personal gain is what brings out the danger. Kochu "childofdevi <childofdevi" <childofdevi wrote: what about the srividya panchadasakshari(ka ee ila..) does that have utkilanas? there are several tantrik texts that proclaim this as the supreme highest mantra. and besides it is the combo of gayatri, mrityumjaya and jatavedase rik. the nityotsava is the only text as far as i know that gives off the utkilanas for certain mantras(kochuji can correct me if am mistaken). the main reason for asking the above is out of curiosity- using an utkilana is like playing with fire and i have no intention of doing that at least for now. yogaman , Kalika Putra <dakinic_monk> wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya; that is mantra as well as nama smarana; if you are really insearch of a mantra where there isnt a great need for utkilana then Maha Mrityumjaya and Kungika are your best bets. > > > > > Greetings > - Send your seasons greetings online this year! > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Reverred and knowledgeable, Can you enlighten where one can find Kungika mantra.If you can be specific I will be grateful,as I do not possess knowledge to find on my own, Kalika Putra <dakinic_monk wrote: Om Namah Shivaya; that is mantra as well as nama smarana; if you are really insearch of a mantra where there isnt a great need for utkilana then Maha Mrityumjaya and Kungika are your best bets. Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 OM Dakinic Monk If my comments were wrong, then Swami Vishnu Devananda and his Guru, Swami Sivananda, are also wrong. My experience tells me to trust them. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Saints talk in many tongues. Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 a good copy of saptashati should have it. Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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