Guru Questions

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In a message dated 12/18/02 8:12:40 AM Mountain Standard Time,

ashwini_puralasamy writes:

 

> Initiated by the power of the guru's thought. What does this

> actually

> means?

>

>

 

I had this experience recently. If by Guru you mean some teacher one meats

on the road ...

His illumination was illuminating.

Yet, his ego and mine could not coexist in one brain, mine, so the guru, had

to die, symbolically, and I was left all alone with my Self -- only with a

sense that I had been changed.

 

Peace, Love and Poetic License,

Cathie

http://hometown.aol.com/ThroughToU/Wisdom.html

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Some may say : Oh! No.. not another guru's questions. Trust me

this

one is slightly different. It just came to my attention. I have been

trying to understand but nothing seems to make sense. Perhaps some

enlightened soul could explain it to me:

 

Initiated by the power of the guru's thought. What does this

actually

means?

 

As we are aware that with the cyber revolution, there are greater

opportunity for us to communicate with Guru's not only from India

but

from all over the world. I have friends who said that they met their

guru via the internet. Communicate with them for sometime thereafter

went to India to meet up with the Guru. Well that is fine. But what

about those who will never have the chance of going to India or too

poor to make the trip.

 

Can we be initiated by the net, with the view camp and the

teleconferencing facilites, it is possible right? or wrong?

[Guest guest]

RESPECTED SADHAKS,

 

well, friends , firstly , i would always be very wary of all those

GURUS who wud give diksha to every tom dick & harry !

but to be straight to your query , yeah , it is , possible , we have

had read many a times of distant diksha (well , lol, everything

correlates to the yuga) & well , we have great great SAINTS like

SHREE MAHAAVATAR BABAJI (SORRY EVEN CALLING thee A SAINT WOULD BE A

MISTAKE , HE is no less then LORD SHANKARA) WHO CAN GIVE DIKSHA TO

THE DESERVING ONE EVEN IN HIS DIVYA FORM (FROM WHT I KNOW he IS THERE

IN divya form FOR OVER 7000 YEARS) though till date HE has graced

only 2 people on earth but still...and then , it depends on the kinda

diksha & of course the authority (power) of THE GURU initiating .

 

regards,

JAI AMBEY MAHAKALI SHREE KAAL BHAIRAVAYA NAMAH,

rajat

[Guest guest]

i dont see why a cyber-guru-diksha is not possible, after all the

real mechanics of diksha happens in the astral plane, so physical

separation should not be an issue- of course no doubt, there

certainly is something to getting diksha directly from him.

 

i can clearly forsee the day when one could download a diksha from

somewhere in cyberspace, could happen:-)

 

in fact gurudeva(satguru sivaya subramuniya swami) used to conduct

mantra diksha over the cellphone. this may sound like diksha is very

easy to get from him, but really it is one of the hardest things to

get.

 

yogaman

, "Nora

<ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> Some may say : Oh! No.. not another guru's questions. Trust me

> this

> one is slightly different. It just came to my attention. I have

been

> trying to understand but nothing seems to make sense. Perhaps some

> enlightened soul could explain it to me:

>

> Initiated by the power of the guru's thought. What does this

> actually

> means?

>

> As we are aware that with the cyber revolution, there are greater

> opportunity for us to communicate with Guru's not only from India

> but

> from all over the world. I have friends who said that they met

their

> guru via the internet. Communicate with them for sometime

thereafter

> went to India to meet up with the Guru. Well that is fine. But what

> about those who will never have the chance of going to India or too

> poor to make the trip.

>

> Can we be initiated by the net, with the view camp and the

> teleconferencing facilites, it is possible right? or wrong?

[Guest guest]

OM Nora

 

You asked, "Initiated by the power of the guru's thought. What

does this actually mean?"

 

You are referring to saktipat, whereby the Guru raises the

Kundalini of the aspirant up through the chakras all the while

calming and protecting the aspirant's mind and body from the

force of Kundalini. When the Guru releases the Kundalini, it falls

down the sushumna back to the Muladhara where it returns to its

constituent parts, Ha and Tha. But the aspirant retains a memory

of Kundalini rising and the illumination that it brings, and this

memory is an incentive to develop a substantial meditation

practice and to conduct other forms of sadhana in order to raise

Kundalini unaided. His/her body chemistry and mental

apparatus and functioning are forever changed by the

experience.

 

With very no fear of exaggeration, I would say that anyone who

claims to be a Guru whether on the net or not, is a fraud. The

authentic Guru will know the aspirant well and will only put

himself/herself forward as Guru to those who are ready. Many

claim to want a Guru, but few are ready for one.

 

There is no need to go to India to find a Guru. There are

Self-realized souls everywhere. But they wait for the aspirant who

shows a burning desire for spiritual liberation and who has

already done much work on himself/herself.

 

Seeing a Guru or listening to a Guru is not the same as having a

Guru. There is a personal relationship between the Guru and the

disciple. There is also an implied contract - the disciple agrees

to whatever the Guru asks and the Guru agrees to be

responsible for guiding the aspirant to moksha no matter how

many lifetimes it takes.

 

Jaya Guru

 

OM Namah Sivaya

 

Omprem

 

 

, "Nora

<ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> Some may say : Oh! No.. not another guru's questions. Trust

me

> this

> one is slightly different. It just came to my attention. I have been

> trying to understand but nothing seems to make sense.

Perhaps some

> enlightened soul could explain it to me:

>

> Initiated by the power of the guru's thought. What does this

> actually

> means?

>

> As we are aware that with the cyber revolution, there are

greater

> opportunity for us to communicate with Guru's not only from

India

> but

> from all over the world. I have friends who said that they met

their

> guru via the internet. Communicate with them for sometime

thereafter

> went to India to meet up with the Guru. Well that is fine. But

what

> about those who will never have the chance of going to India or

too

> poor to make the trip.

>

> Can we be initiated by the net, with the view camp and the

> teleconferencing facilites, it is possible right? or wrong?

[Guest guest]

Ah! Adi_Shakti16. The right person. I remembered once during one of

our conversation that you told me Brahmanshakti intiated you through

the power of his thoughts. Perhaps you are able to share with us this

experience.

 

Thank you for your lengthly information about the different

Guru's

DEEKSHA. My attention focus on the one on MANASA DEEKSHA which you

said the Guru transmits his spiritual power to a devotee through his

mind. This is a diksha which can be only performed by a guru who is

spiritually very advanced and who himself is a swaymi siddha.

 

A friend just told me a story about his aunt who got initiated by

Swami Shivananda Saraswati through the power of his thoughts. I will

try to get permission from him to allow me to relate this story to

the audience here. I was told one can get diksha too from a guru

without any action, but again there's echoes going through my

head

right now saying : not all claims need to be true. It can be the by

product of a deluded mind too. How can we know?

[Guest guest]

greetings nora,

 

yes! indeed our gurudeva was (is) quite a unique person! He was only

33 years of age ' but he was 'wise' beyond his years. he always

referred to himself as "this body" - never once he used the word I -

totally ego-less.

 

i would ask him all sorts of questions but he was able to answer all

my questions wonderfully. once i asked him about a verse

from 'kalidasa's raghuvamsha about parvati meditating on lord shiva -

and he explained to me that parvati was describing the 'decent' of

kundalini - till then, i have never heard of the 'descent'

of 'kundalini' only 'ascent' of kundalini! only a year later , from

this account i reaalized that he belonged to the 'kaula' path

although he necver claimesd i am this or that- -for the kaulas

worship devi externally in the two centres of muladhara and

svadhistana. the kundalini sakti after reaching sahasra and

conferring bliss on the sadhaka , comes back to muladhara and sleeps

there again.

 

When i met him i knew nothing about kali her worship- neither did i

know anything about tantras ... but, it is because of his grace or

anugraha, i am no longer afraid of the icon of kali! she does not

look 'fearsome' any more! rather , she protects me from all kinds of

fears... i also now know and realize that 'tantra' is not just

a 'technique' it is that and much more - it is a belief system based

on 36 tattwas...

 

but one's experience with one's guru is very personal it cannot be

discussed and publicized ! in fact, tantriks are forbidden from

sharing their experiences with their guru to others!

 

first, there must be a sincere yearning- to advance on the spiritual

path - second, one must get ready by observing all the disciplines

and then automatically by god's grace, the guru will appear - by

guru, i mean a 'real' one not the charalatans parading on the net or

in the real world.

 

the first thing in guru-sisya relationship is 'surrender'

and 'humility; - if one lacks these two qualities, then one has a lot

of work to do on oneself. as our yogaji has said time and again- "

tarkha' is good ( discussions ) but ku-tarka ( arguments and counter

arguments) is not at all to be encouraged !

 

yes! there are many here who do not have gurus but from their

writings i know they are advanced sadhakas and then there are others

who have gurus and i know they have a lot of work to do on themselves

espeacially on their egos... (this includes me, also-smiles)

 

take care,

 

ps although we have a picture of mother kundalini, nobody has come

forward to even write about it - it is useless to talk about

something you have not experienced, is it not? this goes for all

tantrik rituials too!