Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 , "adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16>" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > folks, > > who is knowledgeble ? > > here is a quotation i would like to share with you all... > > "If people could get liberated by smearing themselves with dust and > ashes, are all the country folk, who live amidst dust and ashes > liberated?" > > > what do you all think? > > Hri om! Don't forget about the 'fish who live their entire lives in the Ganges...' f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 "> Don't forget about the 'fish who live their entire lives in the > Ganges...' " dear one, how can this fish (jiva- always caught in the net) ever forget the fish in the ganges ( samsara sagara) ? you know i am a fish always surfing in the waters of net satsangha!! excellent point! Aa Janma Maranaantharam Cha Gangaadhi Tatinee Stitaah | Mandooka Matsya Pramukhaah Yoginas Te Bhavanti Kim? || " Can the frogs, fish and others that from birth to death live in the waters of the Ganges become Gnanis by merely staying in such waters?" we need to remember 4 GS 1) GITASASTRAM IS sarvasaastrasvarupam; 2) GOVINDA (HARI BHAGVAN) IS sarvadevasvarupi 3) Gangaa is sarvatirthasvarupam; 4) Gaayatri mantra is sarvavedamayam. fSO, IF WE READ THE BHAGVAT GITA, CHANT THE NAME OF GOVINDA, DRINK THE WATER OF GANGA AND CHANT THE GAYATRI MANTRA ... WE ARE MARCHING TOWARDS LIBERATION! SO, THE POINT IS EVEN IF FROGS, FISHES, iETC DRINK A DROP OF GANGA WATER, THEY WILL BE PURIFIED... just like in a satsangha all of us get purified by assiciating with divine souls.. in another sloka, in baja govindam, adi shankara says... ganga jala lava kanika pita sakradapi yena murari samarch tasya yamaha kim kurate charcha? Let a man but read from the Gita, Drink of the Ganges but a drop, Worship but once the Lord Almighty,(god/ess) And he will set at rest forever, All his fear of the King of Death will vanish! enjoy! swim in the pristine pure waters of sat-chit-anada! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 revered maa adishakti! definetly when compared to realization, scholarship is an empty shell; since realization happens so rarely and most people(such as myself, lol) are ignoramuses, scholarship is better than being ignorant. so the prudent thing would be to a aspire to be a scholar and once a scholar, then try for realization. trying for realization directly is like jumping over 30 feets(not even olympic champions can do this); try for realization through scholarship is like jumping 15 feet twice(more do-able). so instead of goading everyone into realization, we must goad everyone into being scholars;-), you agree maa yogaman , "adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16>" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > folks, > > who is knowledgeble ? > > here is a quotation i would like to share with you all... > > "If people could get liberated by smearing themselves with dust and > ashes, are all the country folk, who live amidst dust and ashes > liberated?" > > "Goddess, parrots and mynah birds recite before people sacred words > with delight. Are they to be regarded as great scholars from such > talk?" > > "Animals like pigs bear the winter cold and summer heat and for them > food fit or unfit is alike, are they Yogis thereby?" > > "Lady of the clans, such privations and self denials are only for > deceiving the world while direct knowledge of truth alone is the > means for liberation." > ---------------------------- ********* > > what do you all think? > > Hri om! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Greetings Yogaman "scholarship is better than being ignorant. So the prudent thing would be to a aspire to be a scholar and once a scholar, then try for realization" I agree 100% with you on this. In my opinion Scholars are people who have dedicated their life in a particular field that they are passionate about. You must stick to one path, and learn what there is to learn, then when there is nothing else to learn the next step is realization. It's a natural process of things. We should learn how to crawl first, then walk before aspiring to run the marathon. Om ParaShaktiye Namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 dearest yoga-child, i am sure you are familiar with the verse... sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam arcanam vandanam dasyam sakhyam atma-nivedanam iti pumsarpita visnau bhaktis cen nava-laksana kriyeta bhagavaty addha tan manye `dhitam uttamam (Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.5.23-24) in the nine modes of worship , (bhakti) sravnanamm is listed first! what does 'sravanam' mean - hearing about the 'leelas ' of god/ess , reading the scriptures etc... yes, 'reading' is highly recommended to all sadhakas - but mere reading alone will not help '; one needs to contemplate on what one has read! for example , in the chandogya upanishad , Varuni , the father, tells his son swetaketu at the end of every story "swetaketu, tat twm asi " - "swetaketu, you are that! now. there are so many of us on the web who blindly repeat 'i am that' =-" tat twam asi" but how do we realize 'i am that'? by 'atma- vichara" or by meditation or contemplation! we can read the 'saundarya' lahari hundred times; we can chant the sree lalita shasaranama every day! which is excellent ! but, when you realize " Mother is consciousness" that is the end of all book- reading ! many people read 'yoni' tantra and think it is a book on sex... but a realized person knows 'yoni' is mother goddess herself! the triangle in the sri chakra represents the 'yoni' and that is why she is called "tri-kona" we can read all about sri chakra but a realized person knows the 'body' itself is sri chakra... we can write all about 'kundalini,' talk all about 'kundalini' - quote all scriptural authorities on 'kundalini' - but realization comes only when you actually experience the 'kunalini' awakening... shri ramakrishna paramahamsa gave a sparsha diksha to swami vivekananda and helped swamiji to have his first experience of 'kundalini' awakening - but, it took swami vivekananda seven years to actually experience 'kundalini awakening' all on his own!!! Read by all means; share what you have read with others by all means' but as self-realized souls say 'Contemplate' or 'meditate' ! if reading helps your , so be it! but along with reading , one needs to follow the other eight practices- 1) hearing and reading about the god/ess -sravanam 2) singing about the praises of god/ess -kirtanam 3) remembering the god/ess - visnoh smaranam 4) worshipping the lotus feet of the lord- pada sevanam 5) offering prayers and offerings to the god/ess-archanam 6) prostrations to the god/ess- vandanam 7) approaching god as a servant- dasyam (serving the lord) 8) approaching the god/ess as a friend- dasyam 9) surrendering to the god/ess - atma-nivedanam let me give you an example - we have in a rasika bhaktin who is a devotee of radha-krishna- you know her also and you have enjoyed her wriings also ! when she writes about the rasa-lila and quotes from all the scriptures etc, you can immediately know that this person is not just quoting this purana or that! she has actually experienced this bhava or she is indded a rasika! once you have realized, one knows the 'divine' mother is with form or without form! otherwise you will always be quarellling about whether she has 4 arms or 18 arms, is she black or white, is this a picture of sree lalita or sree raja rajeshwari or even if kali is krishna or krishna is kali? etc... a realized person knows the" mother is everything ! " i always though "mauna" meant "silence" - not 'speaking" but it took me quite a while to realize that 'mauna' means 'quitening one's thoughts' and referred to "inner" silence... i am all for reading ; but, readding is only a 'stepping' stone to greater heights! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 , "Nora <ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > Greetings Yogaman > > "scholarship is better than being ignorant. So the prudent thing > would be to a aspire to be a scholar and once a scholar, then try for > realization" > >Nora > We should learn how to crawl first, then walk before aspiring to run > the marathon. > Om ParaShaktiye Namaha For me this statement makes 'my skin crawl'. Perhaps I am not clear in my understanding but it comes across as being somewhat elitist. God provide everyone different gifts, we are all not the same. There are many different ways of 'crawling' scholarship being just one. Perhaps this is because my spiritual roots are in Maharashtra and for years I have heard the stories of the great bhakti saints. For every Jnanehwar, Tukaram and Eknath there are others simple people as as Sena(the barber), Gora (the potter) and so on. One of my favorite stories is that of Porrinpuliya. Porrininpolli is a 'sweet chapati' but expensive for those of simple means. This boys mother could not afford to provide this so she sent him to live with Eknath. The child just lived and served Eknath and 'ate porrinoolli' nothing else. As Eknath's mahasamadhi approached it was Porrinpolliya whose was chosen to complete the commentaries of the Jnaeshwari. Scholarship is certainly a path. I guess over the years I have seen too many scholars become enamoured with their own intelligence. Scholarship can become an attachment. I do occassionally read and certainly gain much from this forum. Really everything we need is available through meditation and that 'marg' is there for all of us.f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 OM Frank Yogaman wrote: > > "scholarship is better than being ignorant. So the prudent thing > > would be to a aspire to be a scholar and once a scholar, then try for > > realization" Nora wrote: > > We should learn how to crawl first, then walk before aspiring to run > > the marathon. You wrote: > For me this statement makes 'my skin crawl'. Perhaps I am not clear > in my understanding but it comes across as being somewhat elitist. Statements such as that are not quite elitist, only mistaken: they refer to Jnana Yoga and ignore, as you pointed out Raja Yoga, Bhakti Yoga and Karma Yoga. You are also right that the tendency for attachment to scholarship is a grave danger of the Jnana Yoga path. But there are attachment dangers in the other paths also. What is required no matter path is followed is faith, devotion, self awareness, detachment and discrimination. On another but related topic there seem to be two general learnin styles: the bottom-up style and top-down style. The bottom-up style builds in incremental steps as Nora and Yogaman urge. For example, one can learn language by first learning letters, then words, then making sentences, then paragraphs, then letters, articles, etc. Phonics is an appropriate teaching tool here as is attention to grammar and spelling. Using the top-down style, language is acquired by dealing with the largest groups of meaning that one can handle (whole language approach). Stories are read or written for meaning with little attention paid to grammar or spelling at first. The aim is for the communicator to get out his/her message and only later polish it by tweaking the grammar and spelling so that it is more understandable. Here, phonics is frowned upon and instead one is urged to read, or be read to, and discuss the possibilities of meaning. Neither approach is right for everyone: some kids learn very well using a phonics approach, others are bored by phonics and want to a more holistic approach. To each his own: or, to put it into the context of this club and the current thread, Paths are many, Truth is One. A final point on this thread - Has anyone considered that Adi Shakti may be poking fun at herself and all who respond to her message, 'Scholarship or realization'? Adi Shakti presents herself as a sholar, or, at least, a excellenct researcher. But she also claims that she is a just humble spiritual traveller like the rest of us. So, perhaps she is setting up this debate with her provocative opening comments to poke fun at all those who participate in it, including herself, and especially those who post strong opinions on it one way or the other. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 OM Frank Yogaman wrote: > > "scholarship is better than being ignorant. So the prudent thing > > would be to a aspire to be a scholar and once a scholar, then try for > > realization" Nora wrote: > > We should learn how to crawl first, then walk before aspiring to run > > the marathon. You wrote: > For me this statement makes 'my skin crawl'. Perhaps I am not clear > in my understanding but it comes across as being somewhat elitist. Statements such as that are not quite elitist, only mistaken: they refer to Jnana Yoga and ignore, as you pointed out Raja Yoga, Bhakti Yoga and Karma Yoga. You are also right that the tendency for attachment to scholarship is a grave danger of the Jnana Yoga path. But there are attachment dangers in the other paths also. What is required no matter path is followed is faith, devotion, self awareness, detachment and discrimination. On another but related topic there seem to be two general learnin styles: the bottom-up style and top-down style. The bottom-up style builds in incremental steps as Nora and Yogaman urge. For example, one can learn language by first learning letters, then words, then making sentences, then paragraphs, then letters, articles, etc. Phonics is an appropriate teaching tool here as is attention to grammar and spelling. Using the top-down style, language is acquired by dealing with the largest groups of meaning that one can handle (whole language approach). Stories are read or written for meaning with little attention paid to grammar or spelling at first. The aim is for the communicator to get out his/her message and only later polish it by tweaking the grammar and spelling so that it is more understandable. Here, phonics is frowned upon and instead one is urged to read, or be read to, and discuss the possibilities of meaning. Neither approach is right for everyone: some kids learn very well using a phonics approach, others are bored by phonics and want to a more holistic approach. To each his own: or, to put it into the context of this club and the current thread, Paths are many, Truth is One. A final point on this thread - Has anyone considered that Adi Shakti may be poking fun at herself and all who respond to her message, 'Scholarship or realization'? Adi Shakti presents herself as a scholar, or, at least, a excellenct researcher, able to offer an long opinion backed by spiritual quotations on many subjects. But she also claims that she is a just humble spiritual traveller like the rest of us. So, perhaps she is setting up this debate with her provocative opening comments to poke fun at all those who participate in it, including herself, and especially those who post strong opinions on it one way or the other. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 dear sriprank! GOOD THINKING! yes, maharastra has produced many saints and jnaeshwar's 'amrita- anubhava; is one of the classic works on 'shiva-shakti' unity... tukaram's abhanghas are also as popular as kabir's dohas and thiruvalluvar's thirukural! you have mentioned a good point- guru can also be realized through guru seva and guru bhakti ! those who are familiar with the story of Ekalavya know that ekalavya learned the art and science of 'archery' just by worshipping a stone image of his guru dronacharya - so much so, that he became a better archer than Arjuna - and we all know how he gave away his own right 'thumb' as guru dakshina to dronacharya. it is said "A tree is known by its fruits. A flower is known through its fragrance. A country is known by its citizens. A father is known by the nature and behaviour of his son. A teacher is known by his students." guru seva is the greatest dakshina! and how does one do this seva? this is to carry out guru's upadesha! and the best guru dakshina one can give the guru is to follow his instuctions! and you are absolutely right- anything and everything can become an attachment- "scholarship" is certainly one of them... parading one's knowledge etc... one can certainlynread all the sutras in the world but the best way to realize is to contemplate on these sutras... one can read all about yogasanas but the best way is to practice these yogasanas... one can learn all the mantras in the world, but the best way is to chant them so on and so foth! adi shankra says in the baja govindam stotra... "baja govinndam baja govindam baja govindam moodamate ! samprapte sanninihate nahi nahi rkshati dundrinkarane" worship govinda! worship govinda! worship govinda! O foolish one ! the rules of grammar will not protect you when the time of death is near! what adi shankara is trying to impress upon the reader is god is realized only through contemplation of his divine name and not just by mere scholarship! to be honest with you, even can become an attachment! some of my soul friends (advanced sadhakas) have left these groups precisely for this reason! in fact, one of them told me taht his guru advised him to do so as partcipation in these groups is time consuming and takes away time away from his ! i told him but "dear one! you have so much to offer in satsangha." and do you know what he said... " silence is the perennial flow of language" Shri ramana maharishi's famous words.. yes, the mauna guru! his mauna was his diksha! just like guru dakshinamurthy! on this day of lord dattatreya, plese join me in offering salutations to this guru of all gurus! jai dutta! jai gurudeva! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 namaskar ompremji! saesons' greetings! you write "A final point on this thread - Has anyone considered that Adi Shakti may be poking fun at herself and all who respond to her message, 'Scholarship or realization'? Adi Shakti presents herself as a scholar, or, at least, a excellenct researcher, able to offer an long opinion backed by spiritual quotations on many subjects. But she also claims that she is a just humble spiritual traveller like the rest of us. So, perhaps she is setting up this debate with her provocative opening comments to poke fun at all those who participate in it, including herself, and especially those who post strong opinions on it one way or the other." yes, ! you are right to some extent! yogaman called me a scholar! i do not consider myself a scholar in the sense in which that term is used... certainly i read books and i do surf the web using the 'google' search rather effectvely!( i think! i have a right to poke fun at myself but not on others! at least, that was not my intention! certainly, not in this instance! in raja yoga, it is highly recommended that one should read scriptures.... and in fact, that is part of one's our daily ! but tantra is quite a different cup of tea! for instance take the 'yoni' tantra! now i am quoting ( forgive me - please don't interpret this as devil quoting the scriptures) " meditate with Yoni on the tongue, yoni in the mind, yoni in the ears and yoni in the eyes." now to a layman, what message does this verse send? we all know what the literal meaning of yoni is ? yoni stands for the vagina - but i would like to call it as a 'birth' canal... one which gives life, sustains life! But anyone who is not an initiated tantrik or a practicing tantrik will immediately think "oh my god! this sounds weird! " this sounds like we should be obsessed with sex... hear aboutbsex, think about sex, talk about sex, and fantasize about sex! and those who are initiated and practicing tantriks know that this is absurd! so, sometimes it is dangerous to read and practice without the guidance of a guru ? you yourself know as a yoga teacher , it is absolutely dangerous to do and engaze in 'kundalini' yoga without the guidance of a yoga guru? right or wrong? it is like watching the '20 minute' yoga show on tv and start practicing the 'SHIRASANA' RIGHT AWAY! you know what will hapopen? we all present ourselves in the way we want to present ourselves!!! thank you ! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 namaste, just a clarification on what exactly i meant by scholarship- i was referring to some kind of attainment not necessarily proficiency in some temporal subject. by way of illustration- if a pauper wanted to be a billionaire, i am not denying that he could on paper do it in one-shot, but perhaps the more prudent approach would be a millionaire first, then 10M... and so on. i personally think that classifications such as jnana, bhakti, karma etc are artificial- all of them require sufficient willpower, faith and concentration(which is the true basis for god-realisation) to get to the end. anyhow these are just opinions of my ignorant self. and of course, our beloved adi_maa set us up. for without no doubt her all her posts are well-researched and packed with facts, but under this camoflouge of academicity, is a deeply and profoundly spiritual person. maa, definitely we need bhaktas such as yourself to keep rank materialists like myself in place. yogaman Message: 2 Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:25:42 -0000 "omprem <omprem" <omprem Re: Scholarship or realization?OM Frank Yogaman wrote: > > "scholarship is better than being ignorant. So the prudent thing > > would be to a aspire to be a scholar and once a scholar, then try for > > realization" Nora wrote: > > We should learn how to crawl first, then walk before aspiring to run > > the marathon. You wrote: > For me this statement makes 'my skin crawl'. Perhaps I am not clear > in my understanding but it comes across as being somewhat elitist. Statements such as that are not quite elitist, only mistaken: they refer to Jnana Yoga and ignore, as you pointed out Raja Yoga, Bhakti Yoga and Karma Yoga. You are also right that the tendency for attachment to scholarship is a grave danger of the Jnana Yoga path. But there are attachment dangers in the other paths also. What is required no matter path is followed is faith, devotion, self awareness, detachment and discrimination. On another but related topic there seem to be two general learnin styles: the bottom-up style and top-down style. The bottom-up style builds in incremental steps as Nora and Yogaman urge. For example, one can learn language by first learning letters, then words, then making sentences, then paragraphs, then letters, articles, etc. Phonics is an appropriate teaching tool here as is attention to grammar and spelling. Using the top-down style, language is acquired by dealing with the largest groups of meaning that one can handle (whole language approach). Stories are read or written for meaning with little attention paid to grammar or spelling at first. The aim is for the communicator to get out his/her message and only later polish it by tweaking the grammar and spelling so that it is more understandable. Here, phonics is frowned upon and instead one is urged to read, or be read to, and discuss the possibilities of meaning. Neither approach is right for everyone: some kids learn very well using a phonics approach, others are bored by phonics and want to a more holistic approach. To each his own: or, to put it into the context of this club and the current thread, Paths are many, Truth is One. A final point on this thread - Has anyone considered that Adi Shakti may be poking fun at herself and all who respond to her message, 'Scholarship or realization'? Adi Shakti presents herself as a sholar, or, at least, a excellenct researcher. But she also claims that she is a just humble spiritual traveller like the rest of us. So, perhaps she is setting up this debate with her provocative opening comments to poke fun at all those who participate in it, including herself, and especially those who post strong opinions on it one way or the other.OM Namah SivayaOmprem Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 , Yoga man <childofdevi> wrote: > and of course, our beloved adi_maa set us up. for > without no doubt her all her posts are well-researched > and packed with facts, but under this camoflouge of > academicity, is a deeply and profoundly spiritual > person. maa, definitely we need bhaktas such as > yourself to keep rank materialists like myself in > place. > > yogaman It is a well known fact that in debates of spiritual nature, one must be able to reference one's arguments with scriptures. Adi Ma is not "camflouging" but showing her wisdom as a true spiritual debator. AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 DEAREST ADI_MAA "camflouging" does have a negative connotation and i put this unintentionally. i meant to convey the same as what Siva had written. what to do maa, english is not my first language so i get all the usages mixed up. i sincerely apologise for this. humbly yogaman , "sivadancer <sivadancer>" <sivadancer> wrote: > , Yoga man <childofdevi> > wrote: > > and of course, our beloved adi_maa set us up. for > > without no doubt her all her posts are well-researched > > and packed with facts, but under this camoflouge of > > academicity, is a deeply and profoundly spiritual > > person. maa, definitely we need bhaktas such as > > yourself to keep rank materialists like myself in > > place. > > > > yogaman > > It is a well known fact that in debates of spiritual nature, one must > be able to reference one's arguments with scriptures. Adi Ma is not > "camflouging" but showing her wisdom as a true spiritual debator. > > AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 oh ! oh! i have become now the 'center' of attention ! what is this ompremji? you managed to turn the spotlight on this 'shakti than kundalini shakti! lol! smiles! i love being in your company! that is why i am back in this group! smiles! today is 'guruvaar' we should be singing the praises of guru ; that too of guru dattatreya who gave us suich gems like 'avadhuta gita' ! dear ones! there is no 'negative' or positive connotion! these are words! they do not 'hurt' or 'elate' any more ! to come to this realization, it took me a While! in prashnottara-ratna namavali, shri adi shankara says very clearly. There are four rare ones. Charity accompanied by kind words. Knowledge bereft of arrogance. Strength coupled with patience. Wealth that can be distributed. so, my advice to you is make all the 'wealth' you can! and then as swami vivekananda says, share your 'wealth' this goes for 'spiritual' wealth too! you guys are cool! do not worry! seriously, when dakini monk talked about a tantrik eating their own 'crap' i was kind of shocked- oh! oh! this cannot be true! but then i read about this tantrik saini Ramnath BELONGING TO THE AGHORA PATH and found out that he did 'eat' his own crap just to demonstrate to his devotees that he is beyond all dualities! then i realized, oh! my god! this dakinik monk knows what he is talking about! but as rajat says, eating feces is not part of panca makara sadhana! but transcending'dulity' is the goal of all sadhanas! ************************************* yoga-child! today is Gur dattatreya's jayanti - let us honor him by singing his 'praises' - gurudebva always said 'we should only engaze in narayana stuthi ( praise of the god/ess) and not nara sthuthi (praise of humans")." now let me open this verse from lord dattatreya's verse for discussion ... "Some seek nonduality, others duality. They do not know the Truth, which is the same at all times and everywhere,which is devoid of both duality and nonduality." Avaduta Gita FOLKS ! we have bhaktas and shaktas in this satsangha! we have vedantis and vaishnavas here! we also have others from allspiritual paths... now, come on guys! what do you think about this gem from avaduta gita love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 "FOLKS ! we have bhaktas and shaktas in this satsangha! we have vedantis and vaishnavas here! we also have others from all spiritual paths..." Thank you Adi Shakthi16 but please remember that this is a Shakta group first. We do encourage discussion of various others discipline, but we should not get distracted from our main focus here. Only yesterday you have reminded us "although we have a picture of mother kundalini, nobody has come forward to even write about it". Why not you tell us something about Mother Kundalini. I am sure with your resourcefulness, you will be able to find something for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 dear nora! your wish is my command... but lord dattatreya is a Tantrik guru whose conversation with parasurama is recorded in the jnana kanda of 'tripura rahasya' - a great treatise ! and that is one of books sri vidya upasakas use ! anyway, i will be more than happy to use my 'resourcefulness' to post something on kundalini... in fact, if you recall, i already posted two verses from saundarya lahari on 'kundalini' smiles... but seriously, " kundalini" is a topic that should be handled by hatha yoga experts in this forum... also, kundalini can be awakened by any means not just hatha yoga! i am told regular chanting of sree lalita sahasaranama with love and devotion over a period of time can awaken the kundalini!!! i would request our ompremji , yogachild, yogaji etc to take the lead in this maatter... ... they can do full justice to this topic! thank you anyway for bringing the focus back to 'shaktism' - we were drifting a little bit !! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hey Nora, Dattatreya is supposed to be one of the gurus in srividya, he is the one who imparts this knowledge to parasurama in the kalpasutra. So maa adishakthi, perhaps you could tell us something on this from your immense knowledge, after all it is his jayanthi. I am eagerly awaiting kochuji's translation of the kalpasutra which he has promised to post sometime. Perhaps he is very busy translating which is why we have not seen much of him lately. yogaman , "Nora <ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > "FOLKS ! we have bhaktas and shaktas in this satsangha! we have > vedantis and vaishnavas here! we also have others from all spiritual > paths..." > > Thank you Adi Shakthi16 but please remember that this is a Shakta > group first. We do encourage discussion of various others discipline, > but we should not get distracted from our main focus here. Only > yesterday you have reminded us "although we have a picture of mother > kundalini, nobody has come forward to even write about it". Why not > you tell us something about Mother Kundalini. I am sure with your > resourcefulness, you will be able to find something for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 fredagen den 20 december 2002 02.41 skrev "Nora: > Thank you Adi Shakthi but please remember that this is a Shakta group > first. We do encourage discussion of various others discipline, but > we should not get distracted from our main focus here. I am not so sure that different disciplines are so wastly different after all. See the following quote about by the Lord Brahma, after that Krishna recreated all the cowherd boys that the had stolen: "Assuming the posture of meditation, folded his hands together, His hair standing erect, tears in his eyes, like one distressed. Ida, Susumna, Madhya, Pingala, Nalini, Dhura These six nadis, by yoga, obstructing with effort Muladhara, Svadhisthana, Manipura, Manohara, Vishuddha and Paramajna, these six cakras also obstructing, Brahma caused the vital wind to ascend the six cakras in order, Leading it to the Brahmarandhra and confining it there. Then he brought the Madhya into his lotus-heart, And caused the vital wind, turning it about, to unite with the Madhya. ........................................... Uttering the supreme mantra of Hari, having ten syllables . . . Meditating on his lotus-feet . . . He [brahma] beheld in his lotus-heart a mass of light. In the midst of the light was a beautiful form, Two-armed, flute in hand, adorned in yellow dress [i.e. Krishna] ........................................... Who was observed in his Brahmarandhra, in his heart, and in the external world." (From the Brahmavaivarta purana) Obviously the description of a kind of Vaisnava meditation procedure, but to me, who is not an expert in this, it also sounds like the rising of kundalini. The procedure sounds similar, it is only the goal who is maybe slightly different. Here the vision of Krishna in his two-armed form. (that relates to the story) Prisni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 , "childofdevi <childofdevi>" <childofdevi> wrote: > Hey Nora, > > Dattatreya is supposed to be one of the gurus in srividya, he is the > one who imparts this knowledge to parasurama in the kalpasutra. So > maa adishakthi, perhaps you could tell us something on this from your > immense knowledge, after all it is his jayanthi. > yogaman > > > > Thank you Adi Shakthi16 but please remember that this is a Shakta > > group first. We do encourage discussion of various others > discipline, > > but we should not get distracted from our main focus here. Dear Nora, I am posting the following info so that those interested can pursue this thread 'off site'. The is an excellent book published bu SUNY called 'Dattatreya, The Immortal Guru, Yogin, and Avatara' by Antonio Rigopoulos it will tell all that you wish to know. There are various translations of the Guru Chairitra available one on line at the Akkolkot Maharaj website and also on line translations of the Avadhoota Gita some perhaps better than others. f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 , "adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16>" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > oh ! oh! > > > dear ones! there is no 'negative' or positive connotion! these are > words! they do not 'hurt' or 'elate' any more ! to come to this > realization, it took me a While! > now let me open this verse from lord dattatreya's verse for > discussion ... > "Some seek nonduality, others duality. > They do not know the Truth, which is the same at all times and > everywhere,which is devoid of both duality and nonduality." > Avaduta Gita > now, come on guys! what do you think about this gem from avaduta gita > love Dear Adi, "Sab Mitti" (All is Dust) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 thank you sriprank! "Of course, light is not darkness; But, to itself, is it even light?" love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Thank you Srifrank. I have no problem with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Dattatreya is supposed to be one of the gurus in srividya, he is the one who imparts this knowledge to parasurama in the kalpasutra. So perhaps you could tell us something on this from your immense knowledge, after all it is his jayanthi. Indeed!!!! I am eagerly awaiting kochuji's translation of the kalpasutra which he has promised to post sometime. Perhaps he is very busy translating which is why we have not seen much of him lately. Yes he is around but lying low as he said. Im waiting for his Kapasutra translation and about Vikneshwari. Did you know that we eventually have the picture of Vikneshwari and Narashamni Devi. I havent put them it in the homepage yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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