Scholarship or realization?(clarification)

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Please pardon me for my ignorance - is not "crap" a waste product out of

the system. What is the need or purpose for a realised soul to accept the

re-entrace of waste product and demonstrate that he is beyond all dualities.

I have read biography on Ramakrishna - he demonstrated by eating the left

over food of others and even dogs. This is more tolerable than the former.

 

My question is why a realised soul take this effort to demonstrate or prove

to themselves that they are above mortals.

 

raji.

 

 

>seriously, when dakini monk talked about a tantrik eating their

>own 'crap' i was kind of shocked- oh! oh! this cannot be true! but

>then i read about this tantrik saini Ramnath BELONGING TO THE AGHORA

>PATH and found out that he did 'eat' his own crap just to demonstrate

>to his devotees that he is beyond all dualities! then i realized, oh!

>my god! this dakinik monk knows what he is talking about! but as

>rajat says, eating feces is not part of panca makara sadhana! but

>transcending'dulity' is the goal of all sadhanas!

>

 

 

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fredagen den 20 december 2002 10.15 skrev rajeshwari iyer:

> Please pardon me for my ignorance - is not "crap" a waste product out of

> the system. What is the need or purpose for a realised soul to accept

> the re-entrace of waste product and demonstrate that he is beyond all

> dualities. I have read biography on Ramakrishna - he demonstrated by eating

> the left over food of others and even dogs. This is more tolerable than the

> former.

>

> My question is why a realised soul take this effort to demonstrate or prove

> to themselves that they are above mortals.

 

Someone becomes realised, but is still in the body. So the question is "what

then". Realization obviously didn't lead to immediate extincion or (physical)

merging with brahman or something. Some are said to extinguish their body,

although I have never seen that, but then we don't see them walking around

either.

 

Vaisnava bhakti perfection is (maybe) different, since what you look for is

"love" (bhakti) and to develop your own identity. It is a gradual approach.

That day you have developed your own identity to the degree that you will

remain exactly the same person, even after the end of this incarnation, you

are said to be jivan-mukta. Meaning liberated while still in the body. The

material ego (ahankara) of an identity belonging to the body is completely

eradicated. Still, a jivan-mukta utilises the body, with its inherent karmic

limitations, making it hard to see who is liberated. If all liberated persons

would disappear from the face of the earth, when they get liberated, there

would be no one to teach others and to show an example, and thus make it

impossible or very hard for us others to reach that platform. So a certain

number stays, just to show us "you can do this too, just follow my example".

 

Eating abinomible things might be interesting as a kind of demonstration of

detachment, but is it a good example for others to follow? I certainly don't

want to reach a state where I can eat dog food or stool.

 

Prisni