Scholarship or realization?(clarification)

[Guest guest]

OM Rajeshwari Iyer

 

You asked, "What is the need or purpose for a realised soul to accept

the re-entrace of waste product and demonstrate that he is beyond all

dualities."

 

The realised soul who does things like this does not do them to

demonstrate to himself/herself that he/she is beyond all dualities.

That sort of activity would be done only to make a point about

raga/dwesha to disciples, and then, only if the disciples(s) were

particularly obtuse and needed a dramatic demonstration such you

describe to capture their attention and to burst their perconceived

notions of what is appropriate or not.

 

The Guru's task is lead disciples to Self-realization, but he/she

accomplishes that sometimes through inspiration and many other times

through shattering the disciples ego and comfortable world-view.This

is similar to the quotation that religion comforts the afflicted and

afflicts the comfortable.

 

OM Namah Sivaya

 

Omprem

 

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, "rajeshwari iyer"

<rajii31@h...> wrote:

>

> Please pardon me for my ignorance - is not "crap" a waste product

out of

> the system. What is the need or purpose for a realised soul to

accept the

> re-entrace of waste product and demonstrate that he is beyond all

dualities.

> I have read biography on Ramakrishna - he demonstrated by eating

the left

> over food of others and even dogs. This is more tolerable than the

former.

>

> My question is why a realised soul take this effort to demonstrate

or prove

> to themselves that they are above mortals.

>

> raji.

>

>

>

> >seriously, when dakini monk talked about a tantrik eating their

> >own 'crap' i was kind of shocked- oh! oh! this cannot be true! but

> >then i read about this tantrik saini Ramnath BELONGING TO THE

AGHORA

> >PATH and found out that he did 'eat' his own crap just to

demonstrate

> >to his devotees that he is beyond all dualities! then i realized,

oh!

> >my god! this dakinik monk knows what he is talking about! but as

> >rajat says, eating feces is not part of panca makara sadhana! but

> >transcending'dulity' is the goal of all sadhanas!

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

dear ompremji,

 

you have captured the essence of aghori 'ram nath'story in an

appropriate manner.

 

Aghori Ram Nath had gone to Nepal in 1955 to the pashupathi nath

temple... and there in front of a live audience , he indulged in

these practices --- not to be demonstrative or show that he is a cut

above the rest. Rather, as per nepal digest where this story has

appeared, during this 'darshan' , he cured many devottes of their

ailments through - in fact, one chain 'smoker' kicked the smoking

habit after Ram nath's darshan...

 

also, as i have mentioned in that post Ram nath appeared in a

documentary along with two other sadhus - lotani baba and swami

jayendra swamigal of shankaracharya math....

 

you know and we all know, swamiji;s do not like to demonstrate

their 'siddhis' or occult powers - some swamiji even if they have

them do not use them! it is considered 'egoistical' ... but in this

instance , these sadhus consented to be part of a film for a student

project! times have changed ; we are living in a media frenzy age

where nothing is hidden from the camera's eye! if you will recall

india's naga sadhus were shown all over the world via bbc and cnn

wearing 'only 'sky' as an ornament ( naked) and carrying

a 'kamandalam' on one hand and 'cell' phone on the other! pretty

powerful imagery, eh? one hand you have renunciated even 'clothes'

and on the other you are hooked to youe cell phone? smiles

 

thank you once again for your insights! i will post the links on

kundalini at the very first opportunity! i apologize for not quoting

the source!

 

love