Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 T: Now some serious question : What is the Shakta opinion about Dreams. K: It is a huge topic. Dreams are part of reality. What is sleep its another altered state. T: It it is being said that Dreams can be a stage of Brahman. In the Indra-Virocana Myth, Prajapati told Indra "he who moves about happy in a dream – he is the self. That is immortal, the fearless. That is Brahman" SM : It is. Have you heard about lucid dreaming where you realise you are dreaming and controls the dream. In a dream state you can realise what you cannot in the waking state. you have power to control the situation in dreams. So you can do upasana; realise Devi and do whatever in lucid dream state. K : The danger is that after sometime you do not know which is the real state; the dream or waking T : But what if its a sleep without dreams K: No one sleeps without dreaming. NM : So if we dream about the Divine one, it can be true or its just our imagination. K : Sure it can be accepted as serious but with some reservations. When it dovetails with reality you accept it seriously. SM : In tantra one has to be cautious bordering on skepticism till it is confirmed. You read a lot; accept everything and start believing you are having experiences like the awakening of Kunadalini. NM : Perhaps their Kundalini is awaken. SM : In some yes, but mostly it is delusion. T: I dream about something I never heard of then somebody comes and hear, and say : hey what you are dreaming about the Divine One. K : That can happen by accident, by a fall , by the hit on the head and the like, then you do not know how to handle it, the danger is that for a non sadhaka it can be really disconcerting without a Guru or some one to aid and advise. Any comments ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2002 Report Share Posted December 27, 2002 i believe.... dreaming is a gift from Devi, like sight or hearing, or speaking and like these things it is not infallible. The inscription on the temple of the oracle at Delphi said "Know thyself." I believe that each of us is in some way deluded. When we can recognize our delusions, our common fears and our common misapprehensions we are better able to interpret the things we see, and the things we see in dreams. Blessed Be, prainbow , "Nora <ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > T: Now some serious question : What is the Shakta opinion about > Dreams. > > K: It is a huge topic. Dreams are part of reality. What is sleep its > another altered state. > > T: It it is being said that Dreams can be a stage of Brahman. In the > Indra-Virocana Myth, Prajapati told Indra "he who moves about > happy > in a dream – he is the self. That is immortal, the fearless. That > is > Brahman" > > SM : It is. Have you heard about lucid dreaming where you realise you > are dreaming and controls the dream. In a dream state you can realise > what you cannot in the waking state. you have power to control the > situation in dreams. So you can do upasana; realise Devi and do > whatever in lucid dream state. > > K : The danger is that after sometime you do not know which is the > real state; the dream or waking > > T : But what if its a sleep without dreams > > K: No one sleeps without dreaming. > > NM : So if we dream about the Divine one, it can be true or its just > our imagination. > > K : Sure it can be accepted as serious but with some reservations. > When it dovetails with reality you accept it seriously. > > SM : In tantra one has to be cautious bordering on skepticism till it > is confirmed. You read a lot; accept everything and start believing > you are having experiences like the awakening of Kunadalini. > > NM : Perhaps their Kundalini is awaken. > > SM : In some yes, but mostly it is delusion. > > T: I dream about something I never heard of then somebody comes and > hear, and say : hey what you are dreaming about the Divine One. > > K : That can happen by accident, by a fall , by the hit on the head > and the like, then you do not know how to handle it, the danger is > that for a non sadhaka it can be really disconcerting without a Guru > or some one to aid and advise. > > Any comments ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 I received this from a member {Tiwari}. I think this is meant for the group. Brahman from my understanding is a state when one is free, and not affected by our physical state. So how can dream be a state of Brahman when we know that in dreams too we are conscious of our physical state. Even though the self in the dream state is not affected by the defect of the physical body, we could feel pain and sadness. We experienced nightmares in which the self is afflicted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 Greetings Prainbow I believe too that dreams is a gift from Devi. An elderly lady told me once : Devi does not appear into anybody's dream. So if she does comes into yours, consider it a blessings, and pay attention to HER. But like K said, you can accepts it but with some reservations. You need to be careful as we should not get caught into this thinking that we are special that is why DEVI chooses to appear in our dreams. As SM remarked : You read a lot; accept everything and start believing you are having experiences. So we need to distinguished weather this dream we are experiencing is it real or just our imagination. "When we can recognize our delusions" This is the challenge. Can we see our own delusions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 OM Nora <<K: No one sleeps without dreaming.>> In the deep, dreamless sleep, one rests with Brahman.In the waking state, one rests with Brahman only after rising beyond Maya. All else is illusion whether waking or sleeping. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 OM Omprem "In the waking state, one rests with Brahman only after rising beyond Maya. All else is illusion whether waking or sleeping." I find this statement rather disturbing. Maybe in due time, I will find the words to answer. Om ParaShaktiye Namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 I think this is meant for the group : Namasthe, Can anyone explain or decipher my dream,I had a dream in which first i saw lord shiva's head cut off from his body,but he was smiling peacefully,at his side was standing kaali devi with skulls etc,she raised her hand holding a sword,which i hope was meant to show that she cut the head of lord shiva,at first i felt very sad but later after introspection,i realized that maybe the meaning of this is that since lord shiva was smiling peacefully even after his head was cut,he meant that since he is not embodied in a physical body,so he is eternally free from nature,and the standing kaali devi meant that she is nature and she can deliver us from this nature and give us immortality like she did to lord shiva........can anyone correct me or throw some light on this matter,and also can you please tell me whether this is auspicious or not,or anyother hidden meaning lies here,should i think that i was lucky or should i feel sorry for this,is this a small reward for my worship of devi and lord shiva???..lots of questions are running in my mind......Thanks and you all have a great new year from gsreenivasr <gsreenivasr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Cutting of the head implies letting go of the rational thought process. The absolute cannot be understood ... it can only be felt or experienced .... The head is associated with thoughts and understanding ...which in the final analysis is useless. It can be said that you experience with your heart [ as in love etc ...] but this is obviously erroneous as well. The heart is simply a pump. Experiences can be "experienced" through a variety of sensory organs and the trans-sensory process of intuition/insight/ GRACE !! My two-bits of explanation ... would appreciate any other PoV , "Nora <ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > I think this is meant for the group : > > Namasthe, > > Can anyone explain or decipher my dream,I had a dream in which > first i saw lord shiva's head cut off from his body,but he was > smiling peacefully,at his side was standing kaali devi with skulls > etc,she raised her hand holding a sword,which i hope was meant to show > that she cut the head of lord shiva, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Namaste Gsreenivar! What was you state of mind when you had the dream? Generally with superconscious dreams(like when the Devi comes and gives you darshan in dream), one usually wakes up immediately and feels so wonderful and knows for sure that one had a great experience. On the other hand, subconscious cleansing dreams, you wake with tired and not feeling too good- usually not worth analysing though sometimes it would tell you the things you are fearing/avoiding in conscious life. Aum Namasivaya yogaman : 24 Wed, 01 Jan 2003 05:55:14 -0000 "Nora <ashwini_puralasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy Re: In Conversation : Dreams I think this is meant for the group : Namasthe, Can anyone explain or decipher my dream,I had a dream in which first i saw lord shiva's head cut off from his body,but he was smiling peacefully,at his side was standing kaali devi with skulls etc,she raised her hand holding a sword,which i hope was meant to show that she cut the head of lord shiva,at first i felt very sad but later after introspection,i realized that maybe the meaning of this is that since lord shiva was smiling peacefully even after his head was cut,he meant that since he is not embodied in a physical body,so he is eternally free from nature,and the standing kaali devi meant that she is nature and she can deliver us from this nature and give us immortality like she did to lord shiva........can anyone correct me or throw some light on this matter,and also can you please tell me whether this is auspicious or not,or anyother hidden meaning lies here,should i think that i was lucky or should i feel sorry for this,is this a small reward for my worship of devi and lord shiva???..lots of questions are running in my mind......Thanks and you all have a great new year from gsreenivasr <gsreenivasr Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Namasthe, Ofcourse i immediately woke up from the dream,and the whole day i was so light and happy,i could time and again relish the smile of lord shiva even after getting his head cut-off,and the devi was raising her sword and her tongue was huge and it was hanging downwards and it was blood red,but i dont know why but i did not feel frightened even a little bit.Can you explain this?!.Thanks and you have agreat day. S Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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