Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Namaste! 1) Maa dakini is supposed to preside over the mooladhara according to some traditions and over the vishudda according to some other traditions. Why is there a difference since I would think that the nature of a particular devi has something to do with characteristics of a particular chakra. So how can one Devi preside over two different chakras in different traditions 2)In ayurveda, the lower two chakras are associated with the earth and the water elements (kapha dosha) and are deemed to be tamasic in nature, where as the vishudda has the akasha tatta and is deemed to be of sattwic nature. So what is the nature of Devi Dakini- is she of tamasic or of sattwic energy 3) in the LS, there is the mention of 640 million yoginis over whom presides Lalitha devi; at the same time there is also a mention of the amsaroopini yogini devi- implying that there is like a "queen" yogini and "follower" yoginis. Does the same apply to Dakini Devi too- are there several classes of dakinis? 4)Dakini and Varnini are the companions of maa chinnamasta- I am wondering if there is a symbolism to it other than the ida/pingala/sushuma analogy 5)What is the significance of meditation on different visualizations of dakini- in some instance she is rosy hued and four armed, whereas in others she is dark and two armed? Aum Namasivaya yogaman Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 The mystery that surrounds mother dakini is her aw and you must invoke her to learn about her. No book can give you information about her which is better then calling her and asking her yourself. Remember there are two types of Dakinis one is the repected mother Dakini the third corner of the kundalini triad. The other is a spirit of a pregnant woman or woman who died in child birth. This is a dirty being. Movies - What's on at your local cinema? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Dakinic Monk wrote : "The other is a spirit of a pregnant woman or woman who died in child birth. This is a dirty being" Interesting !!!!! Can you tell me more about this dirty being? Yogaman wrote : 1. "Dakini and Varnini are the companions of maa chinnamasta- I am wondering if there is a symbolism to it other than the ida/pingala/sushuma analogy" >From what I understand [ do correct me if im wrong ], in both the Buddhist and Hindu traditions, Chinnamasta Maa often portrayed as sixteen yrs old : symbolically representing maturity , whiles the two attendants : Dakini and Varnini are twelve yrs old : representing a transitional phase from immaturity to maturity. The two yoginis are like a mirror image of each other. Varnini have a smiling face and fiery splendour, whereas Dakini is black and very frightful. And since both of them have their head intact, an indication of them still clinging to the "I" concept. The two therefore represents a spiritually "immature" person who is not liberated because she had not realized the relativity of duality. Daksini is also interpreted as representing the Tamas guna, Varnin the rajas guna and Maa Chinnamasta the Sattva Guna. 2. "there is the mention of 640 million yoginis over whom presides Lalitha devi; at the same time there is also a mention of the amsaroopini yogini devi- implying that there is like a "queen" yogini and "follower" yoginis. Does the same apply to Dakini Devi too- are there several classes of dakinis?" I always thought that Maa Chinnamasta is also known as the Vajra Yogini and A ParaDakini: The Supreme and foremost Dakini. "May the Force be with us all" Om Shakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Yogaman wrote : In ayurveda, the lower two chakras are associated with the earth and the water elements (kapha dosha) and are deemed to be tamasic in nature, where as the vishudda has the akasha tatta and is deemed to be of sattwic nature. So what is the nature of Devi Dakini- is she of tamasic or of sattwic energy Interesting that you mention Kapha Dosha as tamasic in nature. I thought all the three dosha ( tridosa ) have the three attributes: satva, rajas & tamas. Vata { Air & Space } is the principle of movement such as breathing, natural urges, transformation of tissues, motor & sensory functions, secretions, excretions, fear, emptiness and anxiety Pitta {Fire & water } is the principle of metabolism such as body heat, temperature, digestion, perception, hunger, thirst, intelligence, anger, hate and jealousy. While Kapha {water & Earth }is the principles of resistence, that is maintaining the body resistence [ giving biological strength mainly ] such as stability, energy, lubrications, forgiveness, greed, attachment, holding and possessiveness. "May the Force be with us all !!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 This evil being is called Dakinee-Shakinee, perhaps kalika_putra can shed some light on this. Thanks Nora for that explanation on Maa Chinnamasta. Could you tell a little bit more on the iconography of Maa dakini as the companion of Maa Chinnamasta(four hands, three eyes, clothed etc). Aum Namasivaya yogaman Re: Dakini Devi Questions Dakinic Monk wrote : "The other is a spirit of a pregnant womanor woman who died in child birth. This is a dirty being" Interesting !!!!! Can you tell me more about this dirty being?Yogaman wrote : Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Nora, This Dakini is of a filthy nature it is a spirit with a psychotic obsession with children, to control one you require a bali of a baby and that babies spirit is taken by the Dakini. She then does you favours that you ask her. She is large, wears rags and has rotting flesh she feeds on blood and alcohol. To invoke her is simple at night take a corpse of a baby and seperate all the limbs on a dakini's grave; the dakini appears before you (you must have mastered her mantra). Recite the mantra and she falls under you control. Offer her rum and some blood. She will do a lot of things for you like kill your enemies. The Dakini spirit I am talking about is different to the Goddess Dakini. To invoke this spirit is to defy lord shiva so be ready for the consequenses. There are some beings that arent really Gods but they should be invoked since they help you a lot Yakshinis Dakinis (the goddess) Hakinis Lakinis Kakinis Yoginis Naginis Kinniris Karana Pishachinis Chetikis These are the only ones that should be invoked. Movies - What's on at your local cinema? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Dear dakinivc monk, you write... " To invoke her is simple at night take a corpse of a baby and seperate all the limbs on a dakini's grave; the dakini appears before you (you must have mastered her mantra). Recite the mantra and she falls under you control. Offer her rum and some blood." tHEN YOU Go ON TO STATE... " She will do a lot of things for you like kill your enemies." dAKINIC MONK, YOU AMAZE ME! Why would you even write about this sadhana? this is the worst type of sadhana! Filthy and not at all acce[ptable espeacially in a forum dedicated to the worship of the divine mother... this is an insult to devi... how can anyone even talk about taking a 'corpse' of a baby in a forum dedicated to the divine mother... ? i am sorry, i cannot appreciate this at all... this is really 'asuri' sadhana... btw, who is your guru? dakinic monk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Why would you even write about this sadhana? this is the worst type of sadhana! Filthy and not at all acce[ptable espeacially in a forum dedicated to the worship of the divine mother... this is an insult to devi... how can anyone even talk about taking a 'corpse' of a baby in a forum dedicated to the divine mother... ? So you are in shock Adi_Shakthi16? LOL. I have actually several questions to ask you but I will wait till you recover from this shock. "this is an insult to devi" I have other ideas when it comes to "insult to DEVI" Dakinic Monk is doing what we ask him to, right? Once in a while we need this kind of shock treatment to wake us all up. In real life too I believe DEVI is doing the same thing, SHE many a times, jolt us up to make sure we come to our senses. Thank you Kalika Putra. OM ParaShaktiye Namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 pray tell me where is a Dakini's grave? "adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16 wrote:Dear dakinivc monk, you write... " To invoke her is simple at night take a corpse of a baby and seperate all the limbs on a dakini's grave; the dakini appears before you (you must have mastered her mantra). Recite the mantra and she falls under you control. Offer her rum and some blood." tHEN YOU Go ON TO STATE... " She will do a lot of things for you like kill your enemies." dAKINIC MONK, YOU AMAZE ME! Why would you even write about this sadhana? this is the worst type of sadhana! Filthy and not at all acce[ptable espeacially in a forum dedicated to the worship of the divine mother... this is an insult to devi... how can anyone even talk about taking a 'corpse' of a baby in a forum dedicated to the divine mother... ? i am sorry, i cannot appreciate this at all... this is really 'asuri' sadhana... btw, who is your guru? dakinic monk? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 kochu, i knew you would catch on it! no grave and no corpses! thoughts are the corpses and the mind is the grave! love and thanx for your insights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 "Could you tell a little bit more on the iconography of Maa dakini as the companion of Maa Chinnamasta (four hands, three eyes, clothed etc)" To be honest I really don't know much about Maa Dakini except her association with Maa Chinnamasta [ the ida/pingala/susumna anology]. I did a write up on Maa Chinnamasta sometime back. Yes ! from what I gathers there are two different type of Iconography on Maa Dakini : with two and four arms. That is about it. The word Dakini itself is still very much debatable amongst the scholars. The popular believe is that it is an import from the Buddhist traditions, just like some tantrik other Goddess : Tara and Chinnamasata. It is said that the word Dika was used in Tibet which referred to a wise man, while Dakini is its feminine form. In Western Tibet [ central asia and Mongolia ] Dakini and Sakinis are being associated with wise women who have played a great role in the spiritual life of the people there. In the Atharvaveda text there are mentions of the female attendants called daka/ ghosa of the terrific God Rudra. Another information I got is that Maa Dakini too is called the Guardian of the Door. Om ParaShaktiye Namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 - "sankara menon" <kochu1tz <> Friday, January 03, 2003 3:53 AM Re: Re: Dakini Devi Questions > > pray tell me where is a Dakini's grave? > "adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16 wrote:Dear dakinivc monk, > > you write... > > " To invoke her is simple at night take a corpse of a baby and > seperate all the limbs on a dakini's grave; the dakini appears before > you (you must have mastered her mantra). Recite the mantra and she > falls under you control. Offer her rum and some blood." > > tHEN YOU Go ON TO STATE... > > " She will do a lot of things for you like kill your enemies." your enemies are : - ignorance - self cherishing - prejudice - delusions - hatred - anger - greed and so on > dAKINIC MONK, YOU AMAZE ME! > great ! Tantric practitioners are always AMAZING !!! > Why would you even write about this sadhana? this is the worst type > of sadhana! Filthy and not at all acce[ptable espeacially in a forum > dedicated to the worship of the divine mother... this is an insult to > devi... not at all, Tantric practice is the quickest way to realization, but it's not for the faint of heart... > how can anyone even talk about taking a 'corpse' of a baby in a forum > dedicated to the divine mother... ? well i guess here you are again taking things literally... Reason why a Tantric text can't be given to anyone and need to be given in the context of a close relationship between Guru and sishya.... > i am sorry, i cannot appreciate this at all... > we can see that.... > this is really 'asuri' sadhana... > please do not label what you do not comprehend... > btw, who is your guru? this is the kind of question which should not be asked... Hopefully people who to this list will have understood that Tantric practices are not to be taken literally but are symbolic of a spiritual "war" against the ego... thanks for your time and all of my best wishes of a very happy new year 2003 which will bring spiritual realizations to everyone ! OM AH HUM SVAHA ! Roger Garin-Michaud from Saint-Priest near Lyon France (GMT+1) http://www.cyberdistributeur.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 roger, thank you for your explanation ! i was under the impression all 'spiritual' wars -are against the 'ego- tantric or otherwise! who introduced the term 'asuri' sadhana? there is no such thing as 'asuri' sadhana! all sadhnas are against 'asuri' tendencies! we all know Dm will not 'hurt' a fly leave alone offering 'corpses' of babies ... there is no 'dakini' outside of the Body and there is no 'enemy' outside of the body! yes, unerstanding, comprehension and realization are three different things! yes, tantra is the quicket way to realization only if practiced the right way! otherwise it will be the quickest way to attainment of 'ego enhancing 'siddhis' which takes one away from the goal of realization ! om shanti! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 dear one! you are singing to the choir! the true purpose of any sadhana is to realize the self ! to be in a state of divine bliss as has been pointed out by ompremji and now our newest member shodasi so eloquently! so, why do we need all these mantras including 'kunjika' ? for this very reason? right? to realize the divinity within! so, who cares for siddhis? to defeat the enemies? whose enemies and where are they residing ? in the caves of afghanistan? they are right here in your heart! everything is tantra is metaphysical! so when we say 'maithuna' - it meams 'sexual' intercourse with the Goddess within not some outside shakti! so why should anyone object to devi being worshipped in the madhurya bhava? in any case, only people in the 'divya' bhava can engaze in this practice! we are all nowhere near that! there are two sects of kau;as - poorva and uttara - it is the uttara kaulas who have given Tantra its bad reputation with their advocacy of 'siddhi' enhancing practices - if one goes after siddhis, one will be still stuck in maya only! that is why i like what siva dancer had to say - forget mantra, tantra and yantra - just approach Devi with a child like bhava! the whole point is do not go after ego enhancing siddhis ! so who needs 'kunjika' mantra? do you know what 'kunjika' means - key to unlock the door ! the door to what ? enlightenment? do you need a mantra , yantra or tantra to unlock this door? the kingdom of heaven is within you! om shanti! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 , "Nora <ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > Why would you even write about this sadhana? this is the worst type > of sadhana! Filthy and not at all acce[ptable espeacially in a forum > dedicated to the worship of the divine mother... this is an insult to > devi... how can anyone even talk about taking a 'corpse' of a baby in > a forum dedicated to the divine mother... ? > > So you are in shock Adi_Shakthi16? LOL. I have actually several > questions to ask you but I will wait till you recover from this > shock. Nora, I'm surprised you are not shocked. We must be more sensitive to our surroundings...there are some 600 members to this group, not all of whom know that this sort of thing is not to be taken literally. There just may be or or two people who were looking for exactly this kind of instruction to go out and act upon. Any sadhak with any sense of responsibility will explain the symbolisms, especially to a group where no one claims to be a master -- EVEN THE ONE GIVING OUT THE SADHANAS. > Dakinic Monk is doing what we ask him to, right? No. It's like pulling teeth to get him to say anything "useful" and then he comes out with this kind of sadhana which NOBODY asked for. > Once in a while we need this kind of shock treatment to wake us all > up. In real life too I believe DEVI is doing the same thing, SHE many > a times, jolt us up to make sure we come to our senses. > > Thank you Kalika Putra. Thanks, but no thanks. I'm even wondering where dakinic_monk gets his sadhanas. Here's a "jolt": It's well known that if someone is in a weakened state and unprotected, doing any type of sadhana opens you up to lower astral entitites and you can become possessed by them. It's even said that rakshasas and asuras will incarnate in the Kali Yuga to mislead us. dakinic_monk, you know what I'm implying. You even said in another of your posts that you gave out the kunjika sadhana and you didn't even care to mention that if you had bad intentions you would be driven insane. Thanks for the "great" instruction. If all I get from doing your "kunjika sadhana" is a whole lot of ego and attitude, even after MY mother Kali, the ego destroyer Herself comes and pays a visit, then no thanks, I'll pass. > OM ParaShaktiye Namaha AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P7103934 Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Hey can you provide any books on this, where can i go in details of all sadhana. Even I am in search of 64 yogini sadhanas book, but i didn't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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