Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Dear friends divine, well, before , i put my dumb two words (lol) regarding the controversy (lol, i seem 2 love to barge in controversial discussions) WISH YOU ALL A VERRY HAPPY, PROSPEROUS '2003.... well, now to , my dumb inputs about , so called filthy sadna , etc of DAKINI by KALIKA PUTRA.... well, my respected ones (divine lady ADI SHAKTIji included, please), though , i personally at many points seem to differ with KALIKA PUTRA , on & offlist , but firtly, its not any personal greivances (& am sure neither in anyone else's case) but here would like to mention , to me ,the dumb one ,it seems THAT SHREE KALIKA PUTRA definitely seems to know what he is talking ... about the way to invoke DAKINI ...... well, though i personally am not aware of bali thing , but yeah there are many ways (both tamasi & sattvic) to call on dakini , from what i have heard & in tamasi ,i have known about people using foetus (or dead body of a verrry young child) as asana (buried in ground , normally 1.25 times ones hand) to call upon dakini , so from this i think HE DEFINITELY KNOWS what he is talking.... as to insult part , am sorry to differ with you divine adi shaktiji, but in tthe post it nowhere seems that kalika putra was insulting shakti.. as to , it being "worst type of sadhna Filthy and not at all acce [ptable espeacially in a forum dedicated to the worship of the divine mother... " please no sadhna is good or bad , its just the path , vama or satva , nothing else ! & wait, this is'nt enough , here kalika putra was talking of invoking ,"the so termed " (i personally donot term any energy as completely negative or positive, its what you use it ,that makes it negative/positive) the asuri dakini , but even in calling upon , DEVI ,in her different forms , theres a use of different shavas (corpse) .... well their are many many ways to call upon a single deity , differing by ones marga & GURU PUNKTI too , but it does'nt mean one is good or one is bad ..... also , i have earlier at another group too read about the topic to pertain just to brahman & shakti etc), would like to add a personal thought, that frds when we talk of SHAKTI (or for that matter even BRAHMA) then , its not something which pursues or is formed by only one aspect, which we might be beleiving in , but SHAKTI encompasses all & every aspects , not only of life or sadhnas , known to us, but much away too from them , those even not known to us . SHAKTI is all what we know...seee.etc as well , PARA .... the one which is much away even from the thhoughts we can perceive .... as to how can anyone talk of corpse etc... well we firstly , imho, need to grow in our visions , to accept everyones thoughts , (if not beleive) as their personal truths , as we all are separate individuals with separate individuality... to grow spiritually & when we talk of devotion or dedication to mother (or any other form) , then let me assure you , tt the final thing then is no karma, no thought, no action , (i guess i read something to this similar today only from SHIVADANCER) no mntra no tantra, no good deed no bad deed ....... its total complete surrender .... there ceases to be everything , but even to reach this stage we all have to go through the other oes too, nobody can directly jump to 100th staircase..... i ,also , know questions might be raised , fingers might be poited at all my stupid lecture, but first , yeah , ok am not that cool of a guy but am too trying too, recently a freind sadhak/sadhika , told me , he/she , had got angry over me & .... & i had thanked him/her , even for the action he/she took in fit of anger...... & secondly , if anybody feels , am wrong , i would just say ,these re my thoughts, nobody is bound to acept them , so accept them , reject them , kick me , whatever...... but well, man the tantra is a wide wide aspect.... instead of passing hard comments lets try & learn & even if we donot personally agree with someone , insead of str8 going for harsh words , we can definitely ,use softer language , to show our disagreement like mature , till , it blows the lid....lol , sorry for all this lecture.... regards, JAI AMBEY MAHAKALI SHREE KAAL BHAIRAVAYA NAMAH, rajat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 WOW! RAJAT! spoken like a true 'tiger' ! no dear, no body doubts about dakinic monk's attainments in tantric yoga! i am sure he is an advanced tantrik! no doubt! several posts ago, when miss nora55_1999 raised the provocative question about goddess's sexual energy, dakinic monk called it a foolish perspective? and he even called it 'asuri' sadhana! what is 'asuri' about practicing 'maithuna' one of the panca makaras! in any case, asuri is one of the names of mother durga -so any sadhna involving the mother is 'asuri' sadhana!! as i have said time and again, nothing in tantra is considered 'unholy' or 'impure' ! 'shava' sadhana is one of the accepted tantric pratices in the aghora path... this shava ( corpse) can be that of an adult or a baby! the whole point is not about whether dakinic monk knows tantra or not ! obviously that is not the issue! the issue is when he mixes up different paths - one minute he is samayin, next minute he is uttara kaulin and third minute he is kriya yogi and fourth minute he is none of the above! as far as devi is concerned, are we even capable of insulting HER ? HOW PRESUMTUPUS even to think of that? it was dakinic monk who said we were insulting the divine mother when we talked about her 'sexual' energy! so, i was just pointing out that he was also insulting the divine mother when he talks about killing her children ! that's all! have you heard of this tantric practice? where a black male cat is killed and its powder used in sadhana to invoke kali? does it mean we should all go and kill black cats? please,? recently, many newspapers in india reported how young children were killed during kali puja and offered as 'bali' to goddess Kali? are we to be proud of this practice ? should we not condemn it? Nothing is 'filthy ! espeacially in tantric sadhana! i was purposely using that term 'filthy' to demonstrate to dakinic monk how it feels when someone else describes a sadhana as 'filthy' as far as the three gunas are concerned, they overlap! what is tamas in one context may be sattwic in another! when shree rama killed demon ravana it was a 'tamasic' act with 'sattwic' consequences! YES, EVERYTHING IS 'SHAKTI' that is the beauty of shakti sadhana- even the act of 'not=doing' anything is shakti! who is to say what is the right way to invoke the goddess? do you know that our learned member geet57 is allowed to post anything and everything in our group 'brahmanshakti' from amir khusro to lao-tze to buddhism to gospel of st.thomas ? a frredom and flexibility she is not able to enjoy in other groups? (she is a member of this group too! ) if that makes her happy, we are happy too! your 2 cents is worth 2 million ! love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 , "Neha & Rajat <younghornycpl>" <younghornycpl> wrote: > Dear friends divine, > > > > as to , it being "worst type of sadhna Filthy and not at all acce > [ptable espeacially in a forum > dedicated to the worship of the divine mother... " please no sadhna > is good or bad , its just the path , vama or satva , nothing else ! & > wait, this is'nt enough , here kalika putra was talking of > invoking ,"the so termed " (i personally donot term any energy as > completely negative or positive, its what you use it ,that makes it > negative/positive) the asuri dakini , but even in calling upon , > DEVI ,in her different forms , theres a use of different shavas > (corpse) .... well their are many many ways to call upon a single > deity , differing by ones marga & GURU PUNKTI too , but it does'nt > mean one is good or one is bad ..... > JAI AMBEY MAHAKALI SHREE KAAL BHAIRAVAYA NAMAH, > rajat So where is the line drawn? A person could call upon someone (a devi) to murder another person. True it is how you use it but there have always been those who use it incorrectly. That is the basic problems with siddhis they are like the ring in the "Lord of the Rings", they posess you.. These practices are not 'intellectual metaphors' or symbols. They exist . I agree 100% with Shivadancer in a group of 600 people on the internet discussions of these practices should not be done openly . I also agree that KP knows a lot but part of knowing is knowing what not to say. It is 'viveka'. In the internet world there are 1000's of groups and it is quite concievable that ther are others 'that reveal too much'. It would be possible for a motivated individual to piece together a practice that would ultimately result in his own destruction or even worse cause harm to others. f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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