Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 Dear satish & other friends "Imkara hrimkara - marma -- guru padukabyaam" >One more thing to remember is that the tantras > are not all the scriptures Everything u know & not know are clearly eloborated in the four vedas & their subs like aranyakas etc. what ever is available is only vedic knowledge & texts only. Take for example the famous "gum" beeja in the ganapathi maha mantra they are there in ganesha atartva shirsha also ur chandi navakshari etc. We may have chanted the hamsa right from child hood but the marma involved & consious chanting can be done giving aahutis can be done after gurus initiation - If you like it or not every mantra needs a guru except for nama sankirthana only we dont need a guru. For a mantra to be successful you will have to undergo a nyasa or a technique of binding yourself that can only be unwinded by a guru & not by a book with checks & counter checks from time to time by him. It is cosmetic these days to say mantra without guru thinking someone as manasic guru. but what we are all clearly missing the point, if the mantra suitable for the person or not which can be only corraborated by a guru only hence we need to visit him more often so that he understands us & gives us the best & what is good for us after true scrutiny. with warm regards shankar --- "sadaashiva <sadaashiva" <sadaashiva wrote: > Sri Adi Shakti ji Namaste, > > You are right that nobody needs to be initiated > into Hamsa mantra. Everybody does that japa whether > they are aware of it or not. > > I agree very much with the rest of your post. > > What I am trying to say is that, doing this japa > of > hamsa mantra does not make them into shaktas in the > general sense. > > . There are puranas and > many other scriptures whose words needs to be given > equal consideration. > rgds > satish. > > --- "adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16" > <adi_shakthi16 wrote: > > dear satish, > > > > pranams... > > > > you wrote in ambaal as well as here ... > > > > "For the same reasons, everyone is a worshipper of > > Brahman because, > > the word haMsa is not reserved for shaktas. It can > > also denote > > brahman. So if everyone who breathes can be a > > Shakta, then he is also > > a Vaishnava and a Shaiva too. > > > > So technically, a Shakta is one who is initiated > > into Her mantras > > as per the standard Shakta manuals." > > > > but as per vigyana bhairava tantra... > > URDHVE PRANO BY ADHO JIVI VIASARGATMA > PARAOCHCHARET > > UTPATHIDVITAYASTHANE BHRANAD BHARITA STHITIH > (verse > > 24) > > > > TRANSLATION > > > > THE SUPREME SHAKTI whose nature is to create , > > constantly expresses > > HERSELF upward in the form of exhalation , and > > downward in the form > > of inhalation. > > > > by steadily fixing the mind on either of the two > > spaces between the > > breaths, one experiences the state of fulness of > > bhairava. > > > > so, satish we all are always chanting the hamsa > > mantra right from > > our 'womb' days... i don't think we need to be > > initiated into 'hams ' > > mantra... > > > > the vijnana bhairava means the 'wisdom of > bhairava' > > - it is > > an 'agama' coming from the mouth of the supreme > > principle of the > > universe, lord shiva... here the guru is bhairava > > and the disciple is > > bhairavi, the divine mother -shakti... > > > > hamsa mantra is a natural mantra... i do not > believe > > you have to be > > initiated into it... > > > > hamsa mantra is also known as ajapa gayathri... > the > > lord himself > > initiates us into this mantra when we are in our > > mother's womb. > > > > this is my humble opinion... > > > > om sree matrayaii namaha! > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2003 Report Share Posted January 9, 2003 > krishnamoorthy shankar <junk74_in> wrote: > Dear satish & other friends > "Imkara hrimkara - marma -- guru padukabyaam" > > >One more thing to remember is that the tantras > > are not all the scriptures > Everything u know & not know are clearly eloborated in > the four vedas & their subs like aranyakas etc. what > ever is available is only vedic knowledge & texts > only. Take for example the famous "gum" beeja in the > ganapathi maha mantra they are there in ganesha > atartva shirsha also ur chandi navakshari etc. > We may have chanted the hamsa right from child hood > but the marma involved & consious chanting can be done > giving aahutis can be done after gurus initiation - > If you like it or not every mantra needs a guru except > for nama sankirthana only we dont need a guru. > For a mantra to be successful you will have to undergo > a nyasa or a technique of binding yourself that can > only be unwinded by a guru & not by a book with checks > & counter checks from time to time by him. > It is cosmetic these days to say mantra without guru > thinking someone as manasic guru. but what we are all > clearly missing the point, if the mantra suitable for > the person or not which can be only corraborated by a > guru only hence we need to visit him more often so > that he understands us & gives us the best & what is > good for us after true scrutiny. Shri Krishnamoorti ji namaste, I concur with your views regarding mantras and initiation. As you said it did become sort of fashion to do japas and mantra related sadhanas without the permission of a teacher. regards > with warm regards > shankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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