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Osho,

Since you first spoke about subjective and objective art, the artist and the

mystic, a deep reflection has been triggered in me. I'm confused concerning

meditation and doing. I have always felt my art to be my meditation, but is it

still not a doing? I notice the difference when sitting in Vipassana. Must art

and sculpture even, fade away into non-doing? Can creativity on the material

plane be truly meditative? Will my art remain solely subjective until the ego

agrees to commit suicide?

 

The distinction between the subjective and the objective art is basically based

on meditation. Anything that comes out of the mind will remain subjective art,

and anything that comes out of no-mind, out of silence, out of meditation, will

be objective art.

 

This definition is simple and will destroy your confusion. Whether you are

creating something -- you may be a sculptor, you may be a carpenter, you may be

a painter, a poet, a singer, a musician -- all that has to be remembered is that

it is coming out of a silence within you, that it has a spontaneity. It is not

prearranged, preprogrammed, pre-thought. As you are creating something you go on

being surprised yourself -- you have left yourself in the hands of existence.

 

Now your hands are not your own hands. They are simply following what the

existence longs for. You are not to interfere, you have just to be a watcher --

a watcher of your own creative activity. From the doer you have to shift to

being just a watcher.

 

The ancient upanishads are one of the best expressions of objective art --

tremendously meaningful statements, immensely beautiful poetry, yet we don't

know the name of the poet, the name of the mystic. They have not mentioned their

names for the simple reason that they are not the doers; they are just

instrumental in the hands of existence.

 

Mind is a doer, so when you are doing something according to your mind, it will

be subjective art -- subjective in the sense that you are pouring your own

thoughts onto the canvas in colors, singing your own thoughts on the flute, but

it cannot be sacred. Your mind is so full of trivia, your mind is concerned with

absolutely nonessential things. It is a mess.

 

Just sit silently in a corner one day. Close the door -- lock it so that you can

be confident that nobody is going to see what you are doing -- and then go on

writing whatsoever arises in your mind. Don't edit it; don't try to make it

better. Don't even complete the sentences -- if they remain incomplete and

another sentence intrudes, leave it as it is. It has to be photographic. Just a

small ten minute exercise -- and then read what you have written. And you will

be surprised: are these your words? Is this your mind? This seems to be the mind

of a madman!

 

But twenty-four hours, day in and day out, those thoughts go on rushing in your

mind.

 

 

 

 

 

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, anand supraath <supraath>

wrote:

> The distinction between the subjective and the objective art is

basically based on meditation. Anything that comes out of the mind

will remain subjective art, and anything that comes out of no-mind,

out of silence, out of meditation, will be objective art.

>

I know I am jumping in the middle of somebody else's question and I

hope I am making some sort of sense, but,

I do not understand how you make this discinction between mind and no

mind. I would say rather chained and unchained -- and speak in

reference to the principle of "dictionaries" that the artist must

free herself from convention and be free to rely on it equally. To

me the whole point in art is not the distinction between objective

and subjective but rather the blurring of the illussion of any

boundaries between the two.

> This definition is simple and will destroy your confusion. Whether

you are creating something -- you may be a sculptor, you may be a

carpenter, you may be a painter, a poet, a singer, a musician -- all

that has to be remembered is that it is coming out of a silence

within you, that it has a spontaneity. It is not prearranged,

preprogrammed, pre-thought. As you are creating something you go on

being surprised yourself -- you have left yourself in the hands of

existence.

>

> Now your hands are not your own hands. They are simply following

what the existence longs for. You are not to interfere, you have just

to be a watcher -- a watcher of your own creative activity. From the

doer you have to shift to being just a watcher.

>

This above was expressed so beautifully it brought me near to tears --

very skillfully put !

> The ancient upanishads are one of the best expressions of objective

art -- tremendously meaningful statements, immensely beautiful

poetry, yet we don't know the name of the poet, the name of the

mystic. They have not mentioned their names for the simple reason

that they are not the doers; they are just instrumental in the hands

of existence.

>

> Mind is a doer, so when you are doing something according to your

mind, it will be subjective art -- subjective in the sense that you

are pouring your own thoughts onto the canvas in colors, singing your

own thoughts on the flute, but it cannot be sacred. Your mind is so

full of trivia, your mind is concerned with absolutely nonessential

things. It is a mess.

>

> Just sit silently in a corner one day. Close the door -- lock it so

that you can be confident that nobody is going to see what you are

doing -- and then go on writing whatsoever arises in your mind. Don't

edit it; don't try to make it better. Don't even complete the

sentences -- if they remain incomplete and another sentence intrudes,

leave it as it is. It has to be photographic. Just a small ten minute

exercise -- and then read what you have written. And you will be

surprised: are these your words? Is this your mind? This seems to be

the mind of a madman!

>

 

Thanks for sharing this.

 

Peace, Love and Poetic License,

Cathie

> But twenty-four hours, day in and day out, those thoughts go on

rushing in your mind.

>

>

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dear friend ...

 

Yoga and meditation are to be learnt systematically under

the guidance of a sadguru...

 

have you heard of sadguru jaggi vasudev?

 

he is one of the great gurus i have come across in my

life...

just experience him once... he teaches shoonya meditation

but the way he initiates and teaches u is great really

great.shoonya meditation is a simple way of meditation if u

seek a guru...

 

he has an ashram in coimbatore , southindia. he has

consecrated dhyana lingam the only one of its kind in the

world...

 

there is a satsang of sadguru on 19th january at marina

beach in chennai at 5.50 p.m.

 

over 50,000 people are expected on that day

 

i wish many people attend the satsang and take the blessings

of sadguru...

 

for other programmes of sadguru please visit

 

www.isafoundation.org

 

may u seek the divine bliss!!!

 

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