Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 OM KRIM KALI MA! I'm sorry...I feel obliged to have my say on this matter. I'll try to be comparatively brief... I believe that I understand Omprem's position when he LABELS feminism as "a philosophy of divisiveness". However, I feel obliged to add my voice to those who have, essentially, pointed out that LABELLING 'feminism' as 'divisive' is about as logical and DISCRIMINATING as LABELLING 'all shaktas' as 'bad-charactered drug-addicts'. Nothing of value is learned by these processes, IMO. It seems to me that Mary Ann has been polite and has displayed an honest desire to learn and the very laudible capacity to admit that her knowledge has boundaries. I cannot, myself, see any evidence of argument ad hominem in her postings. Calling for her to leave the forum is, IMO, entirely inappropriate behaviour, and is, further, redolent of the over-reaction of which Omprem accuses Mary Ann. He further says: >"Yippee ki yi yay" is the phrase used by the Bruce Willis character in the >Die Hard series of movies as he tracked down and killed the bad guys. >For you to use that phrase here and as a trailer to your disrespectful >question 'Who is asking" demonstrates your combativeness, your low vision, >your destructiveness and your lack of respect for yourself, this forum and >those who post in it. Firstly, I can't be bothered to look up the archive at this late stage of the day, but _I_ had the impression that Mary Ann was posting in that way in response to someone else who had an equally unorthodox sign-off...and why not? Secondly, Omprem's etymology of the phrase may well be accurate, but, to my definite knowledge, it is not the first usage...the first usage I know of was by the singer David Thomas, from the kinda-punk band 'Pere Ubu'. Thomas uses it in a song called 'Lonesome Cowboy Dave' - movingly accompanied by jaw harp - as the refrain to a falsetto lament about the excessive size of his feet, which make it hard for him to find comfortable shoes... Hardly evidence of combativeness or destructiveness, I think... Mouse says: >I cannot but make an observation. Once a certain member showed up >in this forum and brought up the issue of "feminism", the forum became >divided, argumentative and combatative. To be sure! But is this illustrative of the inherent nature of 'feminism' (as if there is a single such phenomenon), or is it more illustrative of the views of list members _about_ the subject? * General observations now. It seems to me that there is room for both interpretations in the Shaktism/Feminism issue...especially since we are still stumbling towards a working definition of a shakta, anyway. It is easy to say that personal politics should be separated from religious belief, and that may very well be true. However, reading, as I currently am, Wolpert's biography of Nehru has brought me up against Ghandiji's beliefs and actions repeatedly. He seemed to believe that religion sometimes _compelled_ him to act in certain very specific political ways. I will not cite specific examples, as I am way past bedtime here. But I _would_ suggest that those who advocate the non-relation of Feminism/Shaktism at least take the time to consider the Devi Mahatmya. I think, at least, that we might be able to agree that to be a shakta is to be a person who has reverence for the divine feminine - fair enough? Ramakrishna also said that we should see the Mother in everyone about us. It seems to me that, although I couldn't necessarily whole-heartedly agree with it, it is a valid induction from these points that, as a shakta, one could quite legitimately support a movement which had as its goal the ending of abuse of women. One could venture futher out on the limb, and further assert that service to women who personally feel oppressed is, thereby, service to Ma Herself... We may, from this point, disagree about whether 'feminism' (which is scarcely a monolith anyway) actually meets this objective, but I would have hoped that this list could manage it with generally better manners than have been shown so far... * Om shantih... ->Zx<- __________ Consciousness will always be one degree above comprehensibility. - G.C.H. Ehrensvard __________ Weep at least once to see God. - Sri Ramakrishna _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 , "ArchD'Ikon Zibethicus" <zibethicus@h...> wrote: > OM KRIM KALI MA! > > I'm sorry...I feel obliged to have my say on this matter. Very well stated and my feelings exactly. I always believe if I just wait long enough someone will say what I am thinking in more eloquent terms. A basic practice for these groups and life is 'respect'. f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 , "ArchD'Ikon Zibethicus" <zibethicus@h...> wrote: > Secondly, Omprem's etymology of the phrase "Yippee ki yi yay" may well be accurate, but, to my > definite knowledge, it is not the first usage...the first usage I know of > was by the singer David Thomas, from the kinda-punk band 'Pere Ubu'. Thomas > uses it in a song called 'Lonesome Cowboy Dave' - movingly accompanied by > jaw harp - as the refrain to a falsetto lament about the excessive size of > his feet, which make it hard for him to find comfortable shoes... Entirely parenthetically to the larger issue at question, "Yippee ki yi yay" is a stock phrase from traditional cowboy songs. It's the sound of yodeling. Now, I don't know about anybody else on this list, but I'm quite fond of yodeling. In fact, before our daughter Leela was born, my wife and I joked that we would invite a new birthing technique, similar to Lamaze or Bradley, called Yodel-Birth. We figured the concentration required to artfully alternate between standard and falsetto voice ranges would be an effective analgesic concentration technique. Yodelay-hee-yodelay-hee-yodelay-hee Jai Maa!!! --Aravind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 , "jami108 <jami108>" <jami108> wrote: > , "ArchD'Ikon > Zibethicus" <zibethicus@h...> wrote: > Entirely parenthetically to the larger issue at question, "Yippee ki > yi yay" is a stock phrase from traditional cowboy songs. Yes, I mentioned this previously. Apparently the song is actually called "Whoopie Ti Yi Yo," though that phrase has undergone many transformations, as evident by the one I originally posted, and others I found on the internet. In an earlier message, I said that I used the phrase because I was driving a point home, just as cowboys drive the cattle home. And I was also answering back in the same vein as I had been addressed by Sandeep. Thanks for your post. Happy yodeling! As I was out walkin' one mornin' for pleasure I spied a cowpuncher a-ridin along His hat was throwed back and his spurs were a-jingling And as he approached, he was singin' this song Whoopie-ti-yi-yo, get along little dogies It's your misfortune and none of my own Whoopie-ti-yi-yo, get along little dogies You know that Wyoming will be your new home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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