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In furthering our recent discussions on the social implications of

Shaktism, I'd like to recommend an excellent, well-written essay on

the subject of Women in the broader context of Hinduism in general.

It might be an eye-opener for many people. It comes from the

excellent "Tribute to Hinduism" website; I've excerpted part of the

introduction below -- the full story (nicely laid out, with lots of

color and illustrations) appears at

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Women_in_Hinduism.htm

 

"In ancient India, women occupied a very important position, in fact

a superior position to, men. It is a culture whose only words for

strength and power are feminine - 'Shakti' means 'power'

and 'strength.' All male power comes from the feminine. Literary

evidence suggests that kings and towns were destroyed because a

single woman was wronged by the state. For example, Valmiki's

Ramayana teaches us that Ravana and his entire clan was wiped out

because he abducted Sita. Veda Vyasa's Mahabharatha teaches us that

all the Kauravas were killed because they humiliated Draupadi in

public. Elango Adigal's Sillapathigaram teaches us Madurai, the

capital of the Pandyas was burnt because Pandyan Nedunchezhiyan

mistakenly killed her husband on theft charges.

 

"In Vedic times women and men were equal as far as education and

religion was concerned. Women participated in the public sacrifices

alongside men. One text mentions a female rishi Visvara. Some Vedic

hymns, are attributed to women such as Apala, the daughter of Atri,

Ghosa, the daughter of Kaksivant or Indrani, the wife of Indra.

Apparently in early Vedic times women also received the sacred thread

and could study the Vedas. The Haritasmrti mentions a class of women

called brahmavadinis who remained unmarried and spent their lives in

study and ritual. Panini's distinction between arcarya (a lady

teacher) and acaryani (a teacher's wife), and upadhyaya (a woman

preceptor) and upadhyayani ( a preceptor's wife) indicates that women

at that time could not only be students but also teachers of sacred

lore. He mentions the names of several noteworthy women scholars of

the past such as Kathi, Kalapi, and Bahvici. The Upanishads refer to

several women philosophers, who disputed with their male colleagues

such as Vacaknavi, who challenged Yajnavalkya. The Rig Veda also

refers to women engaged in warfare. One queen Bispala is mentioned,

and even as late a witness as Megasthenes (fifth century B.C. E.)

mentions heavily armed women guards protecting Chandragupta's palace.

 

"Louis Jaccoliot, the celebrated French author of the Bible in India

said: 'India of the Vedas entertained a respect for women amounting

to worship; a fact which we seem little to suspect in Europe when we

accuse the extreme East of having denied the dignity of woman, and of

having only made her an instrument of pleasure and of passive

obedience.' He also said: 'What! here is a civilization, which you

cannot deny to be older than your own, which places the woman on a

level with the man and gives her an equal place in the family and in

society.'"

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Can we ever get back there? What was the difference between now and

then? What changed?

 

I constantly wonder about these things. Especially "what changed?"

 

Blessings,

 

prainbow

 

, "Devi Bhakta

<devi_bhakta>" <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> In furthering our recent discussions on the social implications of

> Shaktism, I'd like to recommend an excellent, well-written essay

on

> the subject of Women in the broader context of Hinduism in

general.

> It might be an eye-opener for many people. It comes from the

> excellent "Tribute to Hinduism" website; I've excerpted part of

the

> introduction below -- the full story (nicely laid out, with lots

of

> color and illustrations) appears at

> http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Women_in_Hinduism.htm

>

> "In ancient India, women occupied a very important position, in

fact

> a superior position to, men. It is a culture whose only words for

> strength and power are feminine - 'Shakti' means 'power'

> and 'strength.' All male power comes from the feminine. Literary

> evidence suggests that kings and towns were destroyed because a

> single woman was wronged by the state. For example, Valmiki's

> Ramayana teaches us that Ravana and his entire clan was wiped out

> because he abducted Sita. Veda Vyasa's Mahabharatha teaches us

that

> all the Kauravas were killed because they humiliated Draupadi in

> public. Elango Adigal's Sillapathigaram teaches us Madurai, the

> capital of the Pandyas was burnt because Pandyan Nedunchezhiyan

> mistakenly killed her husband on theft charges.

>

> "In Vedic times women and men were equal as far as education and

> religion was concerned. Women participated in the public

sacrifices

> alongside men. One text mentions a female rishi Visvara. Some

Vedic

> hymns, are attributed to women such as Apala, the daughter of

Atri,

> Ghosa, the daughter of Kaksivant or Indrani, the wife of Indra.

> Apparently in early Vedic times women also received the sacred

thread

> and could study the Vedas. The Haritasmrti mentions a class of

women

> called brahmavadinis who remained unmarried and spent their lives

in

> study and ritual. Panini's distinction between arcarya (a lady

> teacher) and acaryani (a teacher's wife), and upadhyaya (a woman

> preceptor) and upadhyayani ( a preceptor's wife) indicates that

women

> at that time could not only be students but also teachers of

sacred

> lore. He mentions the names of several noteworthy women scholars

of

> the past such as Kathi, Kalapi, and Bahvici. The Upanishads refer

to

> several women philosophers, who disputed with their male

colleagues

> such as Vacaknavi, who challenged Yajnavalkya. The Rig Veda also

> refers to women engaged in warfare. One queen Bispala is

mentioned,

> and even as late a witness as Megasthenes (fifth century B.C. E.)

> mentions heavily armed women guards protecting Chandragupta's

palace.

>

> "Louis Jaccoliot, the celebrated French author of the Bible in

India

> said: 'India of the Vedas entertained a respect for women

amounting

> to worship; a fact which we seem little to suspect in Europe when

we

> accuse the extreme East of having denied the dignity of woman, and

of

> having only made her an instrument of pleasure and of passive

> obedience.' He also said: 'What! here is a civilization, which you

> cannot deny to be older than your own, which places the woman on a

> level with the man and gives her an equal place in the family and

in

> society.'"

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Greetings Prainbow

 

Just my spontaneous opinion:

 

Can we ever get back there?

Why not? What stop us from getting back there?

 

What was the difference between now and then?

Its our own perception that make the distinction of now and then.

 

What changed?

We changed that is. Because change is the natural thing to be. Not to

change is stagnation, and stagnation is the begginning of the end. If

we want change then we should initiate the change and we first must

change. Be a ripple, only then the things around us will change

according to our change.

 

 

PS its a very gloomy day here. I cant even see the sun.

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Hi Prainbow: I would also like to respond to your questions

asking "What happened?" and "How can we get back there?" I

offer the following to join with Nora's response, and an earlier

post by Omprem, too.

 

Good ideas can be used against people, and I fear that the good

idea expressed in "Be the change you want to see in the world"

is sometimes used to try to silence people who share things that

other people find upsetting, or simply don't understand. People

in their misunderstandings or lack of understanding can be

harsh and judgmental in their expressions, which may

discourage others from expressing themselves.

 

The quoted passages are from Chapter 8 called Patience, the

Vitalizing Power of Enthusiasm, from the book entitled

Enthusiasm, by Gurumayi. I feel these passages deal well with

something good, in this case, patience, that has become

misunderstood and used in a way that can hinder growth and

development.

 

"Please understand, from the spiritual point of view patience is

not about grinding your teeth and waiting for the most opportune

time to spring into action. It is not about standing still like a

hunter waiting for the prey to come into range. Patience is not

about biding your time until your wishes can be fulfilled. All

these perspectives have given patience a very unappealing

reputation. If anyone is bit restless and demands something, he

is told,"Be patient!" If someone speaks a mile a minute to drive a

point home, she is told: "Be patient!" ...

 

"But patience is not just another way of saying, "Calm down" or

"Be quiet." It is not a euphemism for these things. ... When you

keep hearing, "Be patient, be patient, be patient," you think the

right thing to do is to shut down and wait it out until something

better happens. Can this be why the scriptures, the saints and

the sages praise patience? No, I don't think so.

 

"Think about it. Does patience really mean suppressing your

freedom and strength? Does patience mean confining your

thinking power wihin borders that are narrow and tame? Does

patience mean subjugating your own wisdom and good sense

to the opinion of others? Does patience mean letting others

trample through your life? ... Obviously, the answer is no."

 

I find this very meaningful and sustaining when I am

experiencing harshness in response to expressing myself, or to

simply being myself in the world. I hope this can be meaningful

to others in Shakti Sadhana too.

 

Love to all.

 

, "Nora

<ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> Greetings Prainbow

>

> Just my spontaneous opinion:

>

> Can we ever get back there?

> Why not? What stop us from getting back there?

>

> What was the difference between now and then?

> Its our own perception that make the distinction of now and

then.

>

> What changed?

> We changed that is. Because change is the natural thing to be.

Not to

> change is stagnation, and stagnation is the begginning of the

end. If

> we want change then we should initiate the change and we

first must

> change. Be a ripple, only then the things around us will change

> according to our change.

>

>

> PS its a very gloomy day here. I cant even see the sun.

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Beautiful Mary Ann, Thank you

 

Im a person of few words today. Chinnamasta and Tara Devi have taken

over my concentration. Only these words come into my mind :

 

If you want to swim against the tide, you must be strong. Be very

strong and focus. Know you destinations and your bearings or you too

will get swayed away and drown.

 

Om Maha devyai namah

"Salutation to Her who is the supreme goddess"

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Good Morning Prainbow,

 

Om Maha devyai namah

"Salutation to Her who is the supreme goddess"

 

is from the Sri Lalitha-sahasra Namavalih ( the thousand names of Sri

Lalitha ). Other names attributes to Sri lalitha are :

 

Om Sri Matra Namah

Salutations to the Divine Mother, who is the mother of all.

 

Om Sri Maha Rajnyai Namah

Salutations to the great Empress of the whole universe.

 

Om Srimat-simhasan esvaryai Namah

Salutations to the great Sovereign enthroned on the lion's back

 

And there are many more.

 

 

Love always

Nora

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Oh so cool! Thank you Nora!

 

<bows low>

 

prainbow

 

, "Nora

<ashwini_puralasamy>" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> Good Morning Prainbow,

>

> Om Maha devyai namah

> "Salutation to Her who is the supreme goddess"

>

> is from the Sri Lalitha-sahasra Namavalih ( the thousand names of

Sri

> Lalitha ). Other names attributes to Sri lalitha are :

>

> Om Sri Matra Namah

> Salutations to the Divine Mother, who is the mother of all.

>

> Om Sri Maha Rajnyai Namah

> Salutations to the great Empress of the whole universe.

>

> Om Srimat-simhasan esvaryai Namah

> Salutations to the great Sovereign enthroned on the lion's back

>

> And there are many more.

>

>

> Love always

> Nora

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