Growth into Grace - Omprem

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Hi Omprem

> It seems to me that you are taking an entirely too rational

> approach to spiritual development.

 

I practice the physical and emotional aspects as well.

Just because I have been asking about the intellectual

understanding that you have of spirituality, does not

mean I am not interested or understand the deeper

complexity of our human incarnation.

 

I am glad that you do, however.

 

> Here is a comment from Jacob Boehme, 17th century German

> Lutheran mystic, in his 'Of the Supersensual Life':

>

> "Knowing the Mind of God

>

> The Disciple said to his Master: How may I come to the

> super-sensual life, that I may see God and hear Him speak?

>

> His Master said: When thou canst throw thyself but for a moment

> into that where no creature dwelleth, then thou hearest what

> God speaketh.

....

> Blessed art thou therefore if that thou canst stand still

> from self-thinking and self- willing, and canst stop the wheel of

> imagination and senses... Since it is naught indeed but thine

> own hearing and willing that do wonder thee, so that thou dost

> not see and hear God"

 

Thank you for this extract, it is a great description of the

experiences gained from Zen meditative practice, and I hadn't read

it before. Being both German and Lutheran, I shall look forward to

reading this in the original.

 

 

> You asked, "Why do you think these work to invite Grace into our

> lives? Is it a 'reward' system of sorts from deity, or a physical

> change that we effect in ourselves?"

>

> It is not a reward system, it is an attunement process that

> involves changes in the physical body, the prana body, the

> mental body, and the intellect body. Sadhana is done to produce

> these changes and as the changes occur, kundalini can form

> and move up through the chakras revealing ever more subtle

> spiritual information and awareness until at last the disciple's

> consciousness becomes Cosmic Consciousness and the

> disciple identifies with no one thing and with everything.

 

So the chakras are seen as key points of connection of the

physical manifestation to the divine? What is Sadhana? A

particular type of meditation, or is it the Hindu word for

meditation in general?

 

How do our actions in daily life affect this awareness of our

emanation from the divine? My understanding would be that the

divine, expressing itself, would act in a certain way and that

acts contrary to that produce an energy resonance that causes

something akin to an interference pattern with the spiritual

information from the chakras.

 

In Western mysticism this is expressed in various ways, such

as Augustine's "Love God, ..." [attune yourself to the divine

energy] "... and do what you will." [anything you do is then

good and productive while you are attuned to the divine]; or

the Thelema creed of "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of

the Law ..." [where the Will is your divine purpose, or the

energy that wishes to naturally emanate through you and that

you need to work to open yourself to] "... Love is the law,

love under will." [interpreted as meaning that the underlying

divine purpose of the physical realm is Love.]; or much more

simply by Joseph Campbell's "Follow thy Bliss." [where Bliss

is the feeling of joy you get when you are doing that which

you should be doing.]

 

 

What is your background in Shaktism? Are you Indian as is

indicated by your name 'Omprem'?

 

 

Thank you for your serious and 'peer' style answer to my

questions. It is a much more pleasant tone than when you

are lecturing :-)

 

Blessing in Love and Light,

 

Ralf