Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 I am in search for information about Saiva schools and sects. I know about the great tradition of Kashmir Saivaism with many schools and sub-schools, and about the Saiva Siddhanta tradition of South India. Are there other Saiva schools or sects? Kind regards, Alexandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Namaste Alexandra, Shaivism has six schools: 1) Pashupata Shaivism - emphasizes Shiva as supreme cause and personal ruler of the world; liberated soul retains individuality in a state of complete union with Shiva 2) Vira Shaivism - holds that after liberation the soul experiences a true union and identity os Shiva and soul; the soul ultimately merges in a state of shunya, or Nothingness, which is not an empty void 3) Kashmir Shaivism - teaches that liberation comes through a sustained recognition of one's true Self as nothing but Shiva. After liberation, the soul has no merger in God, as God and soul are eternally non-different. 4) Gorakhnath Shaivism (aka Siddha Siddhanta) - liberation leads to a complete sameness of Shiva and soul, described as "bubbles arising and returning to water." 5) Shiva Advaita - liberation leads to the "akasha within the heart." Upon death, the soul goes to Shiva along the path of the Gods, continuing to exist on the spiritual plane, enjoying the bliss of knowing all as Shiva, and attaining all powers except creation. 6) Shaiva Siddhanta - two subsects: a) Meykandar's pluralistic realism - God, soul and world are eternally coexistent; liberation leads to a state of oneness with Shiva, in which the soul retains its individuality, like salt added to water b) Tirumular's monistic theism (aka Advaita Ishvaravada) - evolution continues after earthly births until jiva becomes Shiva, the soul merges in perfect oneness with God, like a drop of water returning to the sea. -- extracted from "Merging with Shiva" by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami AUM namaH shivAya , "Alexandra Kafka" <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > I am in search for information about Saiva schools and sects. I know about the great tradition of Kashmir Saivaism with many schools and sub-schools, and about the Saiva > Siddhanta tradition of South India. > Are there other Saiva schools or sects? > > Kind regards, > Alexandra > > [Non-text portions of this mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 We can add Kapalika, Kalamukha, and Mahavrata schools to the following. , "sivadancer <sivadancer>" <sivadancer> wrote: > Namaste Alexandra, > > Shaivism has six schools: > > 1) Pashupata Shaivism - emphasizes Shiva as supreme cause and personal > ruler of the world; liberated soul retains individuality in a state of > complete union with Shiva > > 2) Vira Shaivism - holds that after liberation the soul experiences a > true union and identity os Shiva and soul; the soul ultimately merges > in a state of shunya, or Nothingness, which is not an empty void > > 3) Kashmir Shaivism - teaches that liberation comes through a > sustained recognition of one's true Self as nothing but Shiva. After > liberation, the soul has no merger in God, as God and soul are > eternally non-different. > > 4) Gorakhnath Shaivism (aka Siddha Siddhanta) - liberation leads to a > complete sameness of Shiva and soul, described as "bubbles arising and > returning to water." > > 5) Shiva Advaita - liberation leads to the "akasha within the heart." > Upon death, the soul goes to Shiva along the path of the Gods, > continuing to exist on the spiritual plane, enjoying the bliss of > knowing all as Shiva, and attaining all powers except creation. > > 6) Shaiva Siddhanta - two subsects: > a) Meykandar's pluralistic realism - God, soul and world are > eternally coexistent; liberation leads to a state of oneness with > Shiva, in which the soul retains its individuality, like salt added to > water > b) Tirumular's monistic theism (aka Advaita Ishvaravada) - > evolution continues after earthly births until jiva becomes Shiva, the > soul merges in perfect oneness with God, like a drop of water > returning to the sea. > > -- extracted from "Merging with Shiva" by Satguru Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami > > AUM namaH shivAya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Hello, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! Do you know which are the authoritative scriptures of the Shaiva Siddhanta (both schools)? Kind regards, Alexandra - sivadancer <sivadancer Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:35 PM Re: Saiva schools and sects Namaste Alexandra, Shaivism has six schools: 1) Pashupata Shaivism - emphasizes Shiva as supreme cause and personal ruler of the world; liberated soul retains individuality in a state of complete union with Shiva 2) Vira Shaivism - holds that after liberation the soul experiences a true union and identity os Shiva and soul; the soul ultimately merges in a state of shunya, or Nothingness, which is not an empty void 3) Kashmir Shaivism - teaches that liberation comes through a sustained recognition of one's true Self as nothing but Shiva. After liberation, the soul has no merger in God, as God and soul are eternally non-different. 4) Gorakhnath Shaivism (aka Siddha Siddhanta) - liberation leads to a complete sameness of Shiva and soul, described as "bubbles arising and returning to water." 5) Shiva Advaita - liberation leads to the "akasha within the heart." Upon death, the soul goes to Shiva along the path of the Gods, continuing to exist on the spiritual plane, enjoying the bliss of knowing all as Shiva, and attaining all powers except creation. 6) Shaiva Siddhanta - two subsects: a) Meykandar's pluralistic realism - God, soul and world are eternally coexistent; liberation leads to a state of oneness with Shiva, in which the soul retains its individuality, like salt added to water b) Tirumular's monistic theism (aka Advaita Ishvaravada) - evolution continues after earthly births until jiva becomes Shiva, the soul merges in perfect oneness with God, like a drop of water returning to the sea. -- extracted from "Merging with Shiva" by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami AUM namaH shivAya , "Alexandra Kafka" <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > I am in search for information about Saiva schools and sects. I know about the great tradition of Kashmir Saivaism with many schools and sub-schools, and about the Saiva > Siddhanta tradition of South India. > Are there other Saiva schools or sects? > > Kind regards, > Alexandra > > [Non-text portions of this mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Hello, Thank you very much for your message. Do you have some more information about the Mahavrata school? Kind regards, Alexandra - satisharigela <satisharigela Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:16 PM Re: Saiva schools and sects We can add Kapalika, Kalamukha, and Mahavrata schools to the following. , "sivadancer <sivadancer>" <sivadancer> wrote: > Namaste Alexandra, > > Shaivism has six schools: > > 1) Pashupata Shaivism - emphasizes Shiva as supreme cause and personal > ruler of the world; liberated soul retains individuality in a state of > complete union with Shiva > > 2) Vira Shaivism - holds that after liberation the soul experiences a > true union and identity os Shiva and soul; the soul ultimately merges > in a state of shunya, or Nothingness, which is not an empty void > > 3) Kashmir Shaivism - teaches that liberation comes through a > sustained recognition of one's true Self as nothing but Shiva. After > liberation, the soul has no merger in God, as God and soul are > eternally non-different. > > 4) Gorakhnath Shaivism (aka Siddha Siddhanta) - liberation leads to a > complete sameness of Shiva and soul, described as "bubbles arising and > returning to water." > > 5) Shiva Advaita - liberation leads to the "akasha within the heart." > Upon death, the soul goes to Shiva along the path of the Gods, > continuing to exist on the spiritual plane, enjoying the bliss of > knowing all as Shiva, and attaining all powers except creation. > > 6) Shaiva Siddhanta - two subsects: > a) Meykandar's pluralistic realism - God, soul and world are > eternally coexistent; liberation leads to a state of oneness with > Shiva, in which the soul retains its individuality, like salt added to > water > b) Tirumular's monistic theism (aka Advaita Ishvaravada) - > evolution continues after earthly births until jiva becomes Shiva, the > soul merges in perfect oneness with God, like a drop of water > returning to the sea. > > -- extracted from "Merging with Shiva" by Satguru Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami > > AUM namaH shivAya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 , "Alexandra Kafka" <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you very much for your message. > Do you have some more information about the Mahavrata school? I dont recall anything at present. Will let you know if I come across something. Regarding Authority: What does authoritative mean? In what sense? The 10 Raudra agamas are important for Kashmir Shaiva school and 18 Shaiva agamas are important for Shaiva Siddhanta school.(Somebody can correct me here) In total these 28 are the scriptures followed by almost all Shaiva texts. I heard that you can find quotes from these 28 agamas in almost all scriptures related to all Shaiva Subsects. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Namaste, For detail's sake: Kapalika and Kalamukha schhols are subsects of the Pashupata Shaiva school. AUM namaH shivAya , "satisharigela <satisharigela>" <satisharigela> wrote: > We can add Kapalika, Kalamukha, and Mahavrata schools to the > following. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 For both schools, 1) the 28 Shaiva Agamas 2) Nandikeshvara Kashika by the first guru of Shaiva Siddhanta, Maharishi Nandinatha 3) Tattva Prakasha by King Bhoja Paramara of Gujarat (a foremost Saiva Siddhanta scripture) 4) Tatparyadipika, a commentary on the above, by Srikumara 5) Kriyakramadyotika, a vast work covering all aspects of Shaiva Siddhanta ritual by Aghorashiva For Advaita Ishvarada: 1) Tirumantiram by Rishi Tirumular For Meykandar's school: 1) Shivajnanabodham by Meykandar 2) the Upanishads AUM namaH shivAya , "Alexandra Kafka" <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > Hello, > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! > Do you know which are the authoritative scriptures of the Shaiva Siddhanta (both schools)? > > Kind regards, > Alexa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Thank you again for your help. You seem to know a lot about Shaiva Siddhanta. Do you know any great women of this school? Kind regards, Alexandra - sivadancer <sivadancer Monday, February 10, 2003 1:05 AM Re: Saiva schools and sects For both schools, 1) the 28 Shaiva Agamas 2) Nandikeshvara Kashika by the first guru of Shaiva Siddhanta, Maharishi Nandinatha 3) Tattva Prakasha by King Bhoja Paramara of Gujarat (a foremost Saiva Siddhanta scripture) 4) Tatparyadipika, a commentary on the above, by Srikumara 5) Kriyakramadyotika, a vast work covering all aspects of Shaiva Siddhanta ritual by Aghorashiva For Advaita Ishvarada: 1) Tirumantiram by Rishi Tirumular For Meykandar's school: 1) Shivajnanabodham by Meykandar 2) the Upanishads AUM namaH shivAya , "Alexandra Kafka" <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > Hello, > > THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! > Do you know which are the authoritative scriptures of the Shaiva Siddhanta (both schools)? > > Kind regards, > Alexa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 Namaste, Respectfully, ALL women are great. Actually, I am not a follower of Shaiva Siddhanta. I only have a lot of books for reference. If you are truly interested in learning more, visit, if you haven't already: http://gurudeva.org/index.shtml Actually, everyone interested in Hinduism should visit this site. Gurudeva is responsible for the global Hindu renaissance and is building the first traditional hand-carved Agamic temple in the West. Scroll down to the books section and you'll find some of the reference books I have as well as other books online, including the whole text of the Tirumantiram and the Vedas. AUM namaH shivAya , "Alexandra Kafka" <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > Thank you again for your help. > You seem to know a lot about Shaiva Siddhanta. > Do you know any great women of this school? > > Kind regards, > Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Namaste! Among the 63 Nayanmar(saints of the Saiva Siddhanta School) one of them I believe is a woman, Karaikal Ammavar(Lord Siva Himself called her mother), there may be more. You can read about the Nayanar saints at www.sivanandadlshq.org(check out the free books section). Outside of the nayanars, there are several women who are revered as saints in the Saivite tradition eg- Avaiyer(a great ganesha bhakta too) some her works are still learned by students at the initiation into learning. Also outside of the recognised Saivite schools, there were some who are not well known today eg- Srikantha(his philosphy is called Advaita Iswarawada or something like that, you can read about him in several of Radhakrishnan's works); also there are some who consider yoga itself to be a Saiva school, all the classical hatha yoga texts such as Siva Samhita, Hatha yoga pradipika, Gheranda samhita all revere Adinatha(Siva) as the founder. Aum Namasivaya yogaman , "sivadancer <sivadancer>" <sivadancer> wrote: > Namaste, > > Respectfully, ALL women are great. > > Actually, I am not a follower of Shaiva Siddhanta. I only have a lot > of books for reference. If you are truly interested in learning more, > visit, if you haven't already: > > http://gurudeva.org/index.shtml > > Actually, everyone interested in Hinduism should visit this site. > Gurudeva is responsible for the global Hindu renaissance and is > building the first traditional hand-carved Agamic temple in the West. > Scroll down to the books section and you'll find some of the reference > books I have as well as other books online, including the whole text > of the Tirumantiram and the Vedas. > > AUM namaH shivAya > > , "Alexandra Kafka" > <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > > Thank you again for your help. > > You seem to know a lot about Shaiva Siddhanta. > > Do you know any great women of this school? > > > > Kind regards, > > Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Thank you very much for the most helpful informations. - childofdevi <childofdevi Monday, February 10, 2003 4:22 PM Re: Saiva schools and sects Namaste! Among the 63 Nayanmar(saints of the Saiva Siddhanta School) one of them I believe is a woman, Karaikal Ammavar(Lord Siva Himself called her mother), there may be more. You can read about the Nayanar saints at www.sivanandadlshq.org(check out the free books section). Outside of the nayanars, there are several women who are revered as saints in the Saivite tradition eg- Avaiyer(a great ganesha bhakta too) some her works are still learned by students at the initiation into learning. Also outside of the recognised Saivite schools, there were some who are not well known today eg- Srikantha(his philosphy is called Advaita Iswarawada or something like that, you can read about him in several of Radhakrishnan's works); also there are some who consider yoga itself to be a Saiva school, all the classical hatha yoga texts such as Siva Samhita, Hatha yoga pradipika, Gheranda samhita all revere Adinatha(Siva) as the founder. Aum Namasivaya yogaman , "sivadancer <sivadancer>" <sivadancer> wrote: > Namaste, > > Respectfully, ALL women are great. > > Actually, I am not a follower of Shaiva Siddhanta. I only have a lot > of books for reference. If you are truly interested in learning more, > visit, if you haven't already: > > http://gurudeva.org/index.shtml > > Actually, everyone interested in Hinduism should visit this site. > Gurudeva is responsible for the global Hindu renaissance and is > building the first traditional hand-carved Agamic temple in the West. > Scroll down to the books section and you'll find some of the reference > books I have as well as other books online, including the whole text > of the Tirumantiram and the Vedas. > > AUM namaH shivAya > > , "Alexandra Kafka" > <alexandra.kafka@a...> wrote: > > Thank you again for your help. > > You seem to know a lot about Shaiva Siddhanta. > > Do you know any great women of this school? > > > > Kind regards, > > Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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