Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Why have the religions been life-negative in the past? In the name of religion man has been exploited -- exploited by the priest and by the politician. And the priest and the politician have been in deep conspiracy against man. The only way to exploit man is to make him afraid. Once a man is full of fear he is ready to submit. Once a man is trembling inside, he loses trust in himself. Then he is ready to believe in any stupid nonsense. You cannot make a man believe in nonsense if he has self trust. Remember, that's how man has been exploited down the ages. This is the very trade secret of the so-called religions: make man afraid, make man feel unworthy, make man feel guilty, make man feel that he is just on the verge of hell. How to make man so afraid? The only way is: condemn life, condemn whatsoever is natural. Condemn sex because it is the fundamental of life; condemn food because that is the second fundamental of life; condemn relationship, family, friendship, because that is the third fundamental of life -- and go on condemning. Whatsoever is natural to man, condemn it, say it is wrong: "If you do it you will suffer for it. If you don't do it you will be rewarded. Hell is going to descend on you if you go on living naturally" -- that is the message of the whole past -- "and heaven will be given to you if you go against life." That means if you are suicidal, only then will God accept you. If you slowly, slowly commit suicide in the senses, in the body, in the mind, in the heart, and you go on destroying yourself, the more you succeed in destroying yourself, the more you will become beloved to God. This has been the whole teaching of the religions in the past. This has contaminated man's being, poisoned man. These poisoners have exploited man tremendously out of it. These religions of the past were death-oriented, not life-oriented. What I am heralding is a life-oriented vision: love life in its multidimensionality because that is the only way to reach closer and closer to the ultimate truth. The ultimate truth is not far away; it is hidden in the immediate. The immediate is the ultimate, the immanent is the transcendent. God is not there but here. God is not that but this. And you are not unworthy, and you are not a sinner. I am here to help you unburden all your guilt feelings. I am here to help you to start trusting yourself again. Once you start trusting your own being, no politician, no priest can exploit you. Man is always exploited through fear. Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 Its the obvious that we miss. The Creator, after finishing her work decided to find herself an abode. She wanted one which will be undisturbed even when in the midst of activity. She could not find a place better than the one offered by Her own creation -- Man and,to the politically correct, Woman. Ever since, we have been trying to search for the Divine outside even as it rests in a state of stupor after the work of Creation. I reckon we only need to activate it. But thats the Million $ question. Sorry, the Million Euro question. Send Flowers for Valentine's Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 OM Anand Supraath You wrote, "What I am heralding is a life-oriented vision: love life in its multidimensionality because that is the only way to reach closer and closer to the ultimate truth. The ultimate truth is not far away; it is hidden in the immediate. The immediate is the ultimate, the immanent is the transcendent. God is not there but here. God is not that but this. And you are not unworthy, and you are not a sinner." I agree with you that there is no such thing as original sin (unless you think of accumulated karma or the tendency of the ego to waste time in chasing the delights of the senses as possible explanations of the concept of original sin), I also agree with you that "God is not there but here. God is not that but this". But I do not agree with what I believe your alternate to be, i.e. wholesale, undisciplined abandonment to human wants - food, sex, relationships and even life itself . Patanjali claims the five obstacles to spiritual enlightenment are ego, attraction to that which we like, aversion or avoidance of that which we don't like, attraction to life itself, and ignorance of Maya, of Brahman, of our True Nature. Restraint is not fear. Restraint is recognition of the trap of the senses and how unrestrained behaviour leads to the continual cycle of death and rebirth as one leads a life ignorant of the karmic consequences of giving into the senses. Yes, we need food to live but what sort of food? An ayurvedic vegetarian diet does not cause stress and desire and does not interfer with the flow of prana up the sushumna. Yes, sex can be an eloquent expression of love between partners and it necessary for the propagation of the species, but even without a human species, souls will simply reincarnate as higher life forms on a distant planet. So, I don't quite see what your point is. Sure some theologians might misunderstand karma and kundalini but that does not mean that doing the opposite of what they preach is any more valid. Please clarify your theory for us. Om Namah Sivaya Omprem , anand supraath <supraath> wrote: > > Why have the religions been life-negative in the past? In the name of religion man has been exploited -- exploited by the priest and by the politician. And the priest and the politician have been in deep conspiracy against man. The only way to exploit man is to make him afraid. Once a man is full of fear he is ready to submit. Once a man is trembling inside, he loses trust in himself. Then he is ready to believe in any stupid nonsense. You cannot make a man believe in nonsense if he has self trust. > > Remember, that's how man has been exploited down the ages. This is the very trade secret of the so-called religions: make man afraid, make man feel unworthy, make man feel guilty, make man feel that he is just on the verge of hell. > > How to make man so afraid? The only way is: condemn life, condemn whatsoever is natural. Condemn sex because it is the fundamental of life; condemn food because that is the second fundamental of life; condemn relationship, family, friendship, because that is the third fundamental of life -- and go on condemning. Whatsoever is natural to man, condemn it, say it is wrong: "If you do it you will suffer for it. If you don't do it you will be rewarded. Hell is going to descend on you if you go on living naturally" -- that is the message of the whole past -- "and heaven will be given to you if you go against life." > > That means if you are suicidal, only then will God accept you. If you slowly, slowly commit suicide in the senses, in the body, in the mind, in the heart, and you go on destroying yourself, the more you succeed in destroying yourself, the more you will become beloved to God. This has been the whole teaching of the religions in the past. This has contaminated man's being, poisoned man. These poisoners have exploited man tremendously out of it. These religions of the past were death-oriented, not life-oriented. > > What I am heralding is a life-oriented vision: love life in its multidimensionality because that is the only way to reach closer and closer to the ultimate truth. The ultimate truth is not far away; it is hidden in the immediate. The immediate is the ultimate, the immanent is the transcendent. God is not there but here. God is not that but this. And you are not unworthy, and you are not a sinner. > > I am here to help you unburden all your guilt feelings. I am here to help you to start trusting yourself again. Once you start trusting your own being, no politician, no priest can exploit you. Man is always exploited through fear. > > > > > > Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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