For whom should I mourn, who am I?

[Guest guest]

A fisher man and his wife got a son after many years of marriage.

 

The boy was his parent's joy and pride.

 

Then one day the boy fell ill and even though a fortune was spent on medicines

and treatment the boy died.

 

The mother was heart-broken.

 

There were no tears in the father's eyes.

 

On being reproached by his wife for his lack of sorrow he replied,

" Last night I saw a dream that I was a king and father of 8 sturdy sons.

Then you woke me up.

Now I am greatly puzzled.

Should I weep for those boys or for this one?"

 

 

 

-----

 

The normally very voluble Master one morning awakens and goes into silence.

This unusual behavior and anguished expression on his face prompts his disciples

to

enquire the reason.

 

Said the Master," Last night I had a dream that I had become a butterfly,

flitting from one flower to another basking in the sun and flying with the

wind."

 

Asked the puzzled disciple," So why the anguished silence?"

 

Replies the Master, "If my dream of being a butterfly seemed so real, then why

is it not possible that right now it is the butterfly dreaming that it has

become a Master?

 

And if I am just a dream of a butterfly, the end of whom, is in the waking of

the butterfly, then all that I have been teaching you to be kind, to be

compassionate, to be just, to learn the scriptures..... of what relevance is all

that?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandeep,

Your second story is really nice, It is usually based on the

inverse logic and taking the realistically contrarian view of things.

But then the question of the master in the second story can still be

answered. It is a simple question "Who am I" then?.

If a butterfly dreams of being a master and that master dreams of

being a butterfly, "Who is he/it in the first place?". Not

necessarily a butterfly or a master. I can also be other things - or

just about the only thing.

Ramanamaharishi's approach will help people who wish to approach

through logic and self enquiry

 

My two pence.

 

- Seshadri.

[Guest guest]

An explanation for the second story can be found in most modern

Taoist tracts analysing this famous incident of Sage Zhuang-Tzu's

dream of being a dreaming butterfly. Hinduism, Buddhism, Zen, Taoism,

Sandeep sure is covering a lot of ground in his messages. :-)

 

AUM

 

--- "Seshadri" <dksesh@h...> wrote:

> Hi Sandeep,

> Your second story is really nice, It is usually based on the

> inverse logic and taking the realistically contrarian view of

things.

> But then the question of the master in the second story can still

be

> answered. It is a simple question "Who am I" then?.

> If a butterfly dreams of being a master and that master dreams

of

> being a butterfly, "Who is he/it in the first place?". Not

> necessarily a butterfly or a master. I can also be other things -

or

> just about the only thing.

> Ramanamaharishi's approach will help people who wish to approach

> through logic and self enquiry

>

> My two pence.

>

> - Seshadri.

[Guest guest]

"Sandeep sure is covering a lot of ground in his messages. :-)"

 

Indeed he is. I am enjoying reading them in silence. Thank you

Sandeep and please do not stop.

 

 

Om Maha Rupayai Namah

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheshadri,

 

I liked your statement, " It's a simple question 'Who am I" then? <LOL>

 

The arising question of "who am I" is once again the work of the

"me-entity".

 

Seeing the hollowness of the usual song and dances, available in the

spiritual bazaar, it decides to try this 'who am I" thingy also.

 

And if the conditioning allows the appropriate level of receptivity, it

realizes the question, is essentially, dropping all the identities, i.e.

realizing of "Who I am not "(which incidentally includes all the assumed

spiritual icons as well )

 

Left nothing to negate, ..........if Grace permits, ............the negation

turns on itself.

And the question that really emerges is,.............. just who the hell is

asking "who am I"

 

It's all the games of the me-entity uptil now.

 

Till may the occurrence of the the negation of the "negator" .

A Non-volitional, acausal occurrence.

 

And then maybe a song bursts out of the lips...........

 

I have not really known myself,

or anyone else.

 

I've tried to do good, and not

just what my appetities wanted,

 

but that was all infatuation

with this precious, isolated, body.

 

That Thee and I were constantly joining,

I didn't know.

 

I didn't know

that even to ask "What are You?"

or "Who am I" breaks the harmony.

 

 

 

 

 

-

<dksesh

<>

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 06:13 PM

Re: For whom should I mourn, who am I?

 

> Hi Sandeep,

> Your second story is really nice, It is usually based on the

> inverse logic and taking the realistically contrarian view of things.

> But then the question of the master in the second story can still be

> answered. It is a simple question "Who am I" then?.

> If a butterfly dreams of being a master and that master dreams of

> being a butterfly, "Who is he/it in the first place?". Not

> necessarily a butterfly or a master. I can also be other things - or

> just about the only thing.

> Ramanamaharishi's approach will help people who wish to approach

> through logic and self enquiry

>

> My two pence.

>

> - Seshadri.

[Guest guest]

-

<aureusleo

<>

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:17 PM

Re: For whom should I mourn, who am I?

 

> An explanation for the second story can be found in most modern

> Taoist tracts analysing this famous incident of Sage Zhuang-Tzu's

> dream of being a dreaming butterfly. Hinduism, Buddhism, Zen, Taoism,

> Sandeep sure is covering a lot of ground in his messages. :-)

 

 

:-)

 

The ism of all isms cannot be different, can it?

 

Myriad "waves" of the Ocean, each uniquely expressed, such that a pulsating

shimmering mosaic of hues and sounds, a net of jewels each a reflection of each

other.

And all our objective expressions of that same subjectivity.

 

A mosque is a temple, so expressed.

A temple is a mosque, so expressed.

 

 

Talking about Buddhism....

 

Q: How many wives does Buddhism allow?

 

A: You may have as many as your tolerance for misery can bear.

 

 

Q: OK, then how do I become a Lama

 

Go to a monastic university and study for twenty-five years. Begin by memorizing

Vasubandhu's Abhidharmakosha with its commentary (500 pages or so). Then study

what you have memorised by hearing lectures on it and debating the contents with

other candidates until you can argue every side of every controversy equally

well. Then memorise several works of Nagarjuna, along with their commentaries.

Then memorise the seven treatises of Dharmakirti. In additional to that study,

you must master several forms of meditation and study tantric rituals for about

two or three years.

Alternatively, you can come to America and just call yourself a lama.

 

Hundreds of nubile virgins will follow you everywhere and give you money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandeep,

Agreed on your points. But this "I" in the "Who am I" initially

looks like the different I, but then as one meditates, that I turns

out to be the only true "I", if you can call it that. The

undifferentiated "I". The one without the other and etc .

This reminded me of the Guru Ramana. I adore his teachings and

love him like like...words fail me now.

 

Thanks again. Your posts are really great and are a treat to read.

Thanks again,

Regards,

Seshadri.