Path of the Heart ?

[Guest guest]

This doesn't feel right to me. Maybe what Hindu's really need (like everybody

else) is Eternal Life. I know these stories. I have read the Srimad Bhagavatam

four or five times (thanks to Srila Prabhupada who did the tranalation).You

should not feel that you don't need a Savior whether Krishna, Buddha or Jesus.

You Hindu's have forgotten about someone called Satan, so you get taken for a

ride by him.This sounds like Krishnamurti too, tearing down Saviors and any

anchor to SECURE to. Security is desirable. That's why there is Salvation and

Heaven so we can have a real security. I think this is really nonsense to say

some (?) of the things you said. Trust God, Trust the Bible and Trust some

Goddess if she is good enough but have that anchor of salvation or you are

lost.Jack S. ( for Jehova).--- On Thu 02/20, Sandeep Chatterjee <

sandeepc > wrote:Sandeep Chatterjee [

sandeepc]: Thu, 20 Feb

2003 17:02:47 +0530 Path of the HeartLife is

insecurityLove which cannot be separate to Life, is also insecurity.Only when

one is ready to live in insecurity, only then one is alive, for insecurity is

freedom.And no matter which path you walk, the path of inquiry, of mindfulness,

or of the heart, freedom is the only door to That which Is.Seeking icons of

securities, a Jesus, a Krishna, a Goddess, you create prisons.Prisons of

illusions, of cocoons, which are very comforting till they last.But deep down

one knows it is a cocoon, because why else do we keep changing cocoons in an

attempt to find that one which will last permanently?Typically Love is

accompanied by fear.Will he, won't she?And if one is into spiritual love, will I

get a response, an acknowledgement?And so one chases some form of security to

hide that fear.Security kills Love.Really if man were immortal, love would be

impossible.Death is there and life is just like a dew drop on a trembling

leaf.Any moment the breeze will come and the dew drop will fall and

disappear.Life is just a wavering.Because of that wavering, because of that

movement, death is possible, always there.And yet that possibility of death

gives the intensity to Love.Love is possible only because there is death.In

India there is a beautiful myth on this...They say in heaven where Indra rules,

Indra is the king of heaven-there is no love.There are beautiful girls, more

beautiful than any seen on the earth -real Apsaras and there are deities.They

have sex, but there is no love because they are immortal.So it was recorded that

Uruvasi, the chief of the heavenly girls asked permission of Indra to move to

earth for a few days to love a man."What nonsense!Who could match my stamina or

size" snorted Indra.Replied Uruvasi "You are beautiful, but immortal. So there

is no charm.Same thing, in and out, day in, day out. Really you are dead. No, I

need a man."The deities are really dead because the is no death to make them

alive.They will always be there.They cannot die, so how can they be

alive.Against the background of death, life exists.Anyway Uruvasi got her way,

as women usually do, except she had not counted on man's cunningness.Indra gave

his permission but with a caveat.Uruvasi could go to earth, could love a mortal

man, but she must tell her lover, never to ask anything about her.If he did,

instantly she was to return back to heaven.Uruvasi not knowing Man either the

Indra types or the earthly ones, agreed, came down to earth, fell in love with a

man called Pururva and explained to Pururva 'Never ask anything about me, who I

am.The moment you ask, I willleave you."But love, the ordinary type is ever

curious, ever needing to posses.Not knowing who your lover is, it is impossible

to possess, impossible to accept.Pururva could not sleep.Who was she, so

beautiful, made of dream stuff, doesn't look earthly, some unknown

dimensions.Bursting to ask, yet also afraid to lose her.So afraid to lose her,

that Pururva used to sleep holding the hem of Uruvasi's sari (an Indian dress)

in his hand.One day Pururva thought it's been a long time, she loves me so much,

every second she shows her love for me, she will never leave me.And Pururva

asked the question.And Uruvasi disappeared-only a fragment of her sari remained

in Pururva's hand.And it is said that Puruva is still searching for Uruvasi.To

define is to possess.To possess is to try and be secure.Try to be secure, you

will only have the hem of the sari, not Love.Love has a meaning because love can

be lost.Then it throbs, vibrates, pulsates with an intensity.There is no

tomorrow for love.It is now.And that Love to be, needs the freedom from even the

object of that love.The object of Love as an object, as an entity, as an idea,

as a definition,as a confinement....... to be free from all this.How does one

know whether one's Love is of those dimensions?When you are helpless to explain,

to communicate what, where, how and why you are,.......... what you are.And

helpless to even care whether the "other", whether the audience, whether the

crowd gathered, understands you, applauds you, condemns you, when you are

helpless, even to care for such inputs.Helpless to even care, whether an

'other", the crowd, even notices you.In real Love, you do not love an other.You

ARE the other.Meera's love for Giridhar Gopal (Krishna) allowed her to

laughingly take and drink the cup of poisoned milk, offered by her enemies

because it was not somebody else offering her that poisoned milk but her

Giridhar Gopal himself.How can she refuse?Mansood can laughing see his limbs cut

out, one by one, eyes gouged out, because he could see that the hand holding the

sword was none other than He.The path of the heart is simple and takes the

courage of the lions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Let me a dd a few points here:

Hinduism has saviours. No one can say we dont have saviours. Take

many known names like Shankara, Madhva, Ramanuja, Yogananda, Lahiri

Mahasaya, Yukteshwar, Ramana mahirishi, Ramakrishna paramahamsa,

vivekananda and etc etc...there are a lot more saviours too, quite

unknown to the world of fame, but just as effective in doing their

work silently.

 

What Hindus dont believe is a single "saviour" for all times asking

people that only he is that particiular form and shape is valid while

all others are not and so on.

 

If you have read Bhavatgita, a most popular sloka

"pavitranaaya saadhunam vinashaya cha ... sambhavaami yuge yuge" is a

good summary that our saviour who is the lord will come again and

again without limitations everytime righteousness needs to be upheld.

 

Regarding this Satan stuff that so many believe in and fear like

crazy, its considered that ignorance(in a blunt way) that keeps the

mind away from the lord as evil(this is an opnion, not necessarily a

fact. Its per the individual's temperment). Infact,

intellectualisation and enquiry into ignorance tells us that

ignorance is a view twords the world in a way, but, still on the path

twords the lord. So Satan and things like that truly does not exist,

per Hinduism. Because if god is omnipresent, then god should be

present in this Satan thing as well, including its soul or what ever.

 

Per Hinduism, everyone is eternal. Soul has no birth and death. This

too is mentioned in Bhavatgita and so soul has eternal life. Hinduism

believs that every soul must travel on the path of spirituality and

experience the state that the sages/prophets and other pious people

have travelled before. It believes in self-experience.

 

Hinduism,is not a religion strictly, its called Sanatana Dharma.

People who follow the virtueous path of/to lord.

 

To understand more about it, please read Bhagavat Gita carefully and

contemplate on the slokas. Books written by Prabhupaada are the

opinions of prabhupaada. You may want to read Bhagavat Gita from the

monks of the Ramakrishna Mission as well. Eventually with so many

opinions and comtemplation, the real meaning could dawn on you...may

be...

 

Looking to others to add their view points as well.

 

Hope this helps.

 

- Seshadri.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Jack Styger"

<selenasking@i...> wrote:

> This doesn't feel right to me. Maybe what Hindu's really need

(like everybody else) is Eternal Life. I know these stories. I have

read the Srimad Bhagavatam four or five times (thanks to Srila

Prabhupada who did the tranalation).You should not feel that you

don't need a Savior whether Krishna, Buddha or Jesus. You Hindu's

have forgotten about someone called Satan, so you get taken for a

ride by him.This sounds like Krishnamurti too, tearing down Saviors

and any anchor to SECURE to. Security is desirable. That's why there

is Salvation and Heaven so we can have a real security. I think this

is really nonsense to say some (?) of the things you said. Trust God,

Trust the Bible and Trust some Goddess if she is good enough but have

that anchor of salvation or you are lost.Jack S. ( for Jehova).

[Guest guest]

"So Satan and things like that truly does not exist,

> per Hinduism. Because if god is omnipresent, then god should be

> present in this Satan thing as well, including its soul or what

ever."

 

In the same context I would like quote Sant Tulsidas in his work Sri

Ramacharitamanasa -

 

(Baalakanda, verse 1-6)

 

"The wicked who burn with jealousy as they hear the other's welfare,

be they his friends, foes or neutrals: such is their wont. Knowing

thus, this humble soul makes loving entreaties to them with joined

palms

 

I for my part have made entreties to them, they too must not fail to

do their part. However fondly you may nurture a brood of crows, can

you ever expect ravens to turn vegetarians? I adore the feet of a

saint and a wicked soul, both of whom give pain...."

 

 

"The tales of sins and vices of the wicked, on the one hand, and of

the virtues of the virtuous, on the other, are like boundless and

unfathomable oceans. The good as well as the vile, all have been

brought into being by the Creator; it is the Vedas that have

differentiated them by reckoning the merits of the former class and

the demerits of the other. The Vedas the Itihaasas and the Puraanas

unanimously declare that the Creation of Brahmaa (The Creator)is an

intermixture of good and evil. It is characterised by pairs of

opposites such as pain and pleasure, sin and merit, day and night, the

good and the wicked, good birth and vile birth, demons and gods, Maaya

and Brahmaa, i.e., matter or spirit, the soul and God......"

 

 

- Sri

 

 

 

, "Seshadri <dksesh@h...>"

<dksesh@h...> wrote:

> Let me a dd a few points here:

> Hinduism has saviours. No one can say we dont have saviours. Take

> many known names like Shankara, Madhva, Ramanuja, Yogananda, Lahiri

> Mahasaya, Yukteshwar, Ramana mahirishi, Ramakrishna paramahamsa,

> vivekananda and etc etc...there are a lot more saviours too, quite

> unknown to the world of fame, but just as effective in doing their

> work silently.

>

> What Hindus dont believe is a single "saviour" for all times asking

> people that only he is that particiular form and shape is valid

while

> all others are not and so on.

>

> If you have read Bhavatgita, a most popular sloka

> "pavitranaaya saadhunam vinashaya cha ... sambhavaami yuge yuge" is

a

> good summary that our saviour who is the lord will come again and

> again without limitations everytime righteousness needs to be

upheld.

>

> Regarding this Satan stuff that so many believe in and fear like

> crazy, its considered that ignorance(in a blunt way) that keeps the

> mind away from the lord as evil(this is an opnion, not necessarily

a

> fact. Its per the individual's temperment). Infact,

> intellectualisation and enquiry into ignorance tells us that

> ignorance is a view twords the world in a way, but, still on the

path

> twords the lord. So Satan and things like that truly does not

exist,

> per Hinduism. Because if god is omnipresent, then god should be

> present in this Satan thing as well, including its soul or what

ever.

>

> Per Hinduism, everyone is eternal. Soul has no birth and death.

This

> too is mentioned in Bhavatgita and so soul has eternal life.

Hinduism

> believs that every soul must travel on the path of spirituality and

> experience the state that the sages/prophets and other pious people

> have travelled before. It believes in self-experience.

>

> Hinduism,is not a religion strictly, its called Sanatana Dharma.

> People who follow the virtueous path of/to lord.

>

> To understand more about it, please read Bhagavat Gita carefully

and

> contemplate on the slokas. Books written by Prabhupaada are the

> opinions of prabhupaada. You may want to read Bhagavat Gita from

the

> monks of the Ramakrishna Mission as well. Eventually with so many

> opinions and comtemplation, the real meaning could dawn on

you...may

> be...

>

> Looking to others to add their view points as well.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> - Seshadri.

>

>

, "Jack Styger"

> <selenasking@i...> wrote:

> > This doesn't feel right to me. Maybe what Hindu's really need

> (like everybody else) is Eternal Life. I know these stories. I have

> read the Srimad Bhagavatam four or five times (thanks to Srila

> Prabhupada who did the tranalation).You should not feel that you

> don't need a Savior whether Krishna, Buddha or Jesus. You Hindu's

> have forgotten about someone called Satan, so you get taken for a

> ride by him.This sounds like Krishnamurti too, tearing down Saviors

> and any anchor to SECURE to. Security is desirable. That's why

there

> is Salvation and Heaven so we can have a real security. I think

this

> is really nonsense to say some (?) of the things you said. Trust

God,

> Trust the Bible and Trust some Goddess if she is good enough but

have

> that anchor of salvation or you are lost.Jack S. ( for Jehova).

[Guest guest]

Pranam, Jack ji.

*You Hindu's have forgotten about someone called Satan, so you get taken for a

ride by him.*

Could you please tell me who this Satan is?

Thank you.

With Love

Shankaree

 

 

 

 

 

 

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