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Hiya

 

 

Couple of years, on the event of the speed of Light thought to be THE constant

for Life, having been breached, a prattling was shared, elsewhere in cyber

space.

 

Maybe of interest here...........

 

 

----------------

 

On the breaking of the "ultimate" barrier, the speed of light currently

sanctified at 186,000 miles per sec, I was in Europe few months back when the

London Sunday Times carried a report on an experiment carried out at the NEC

Research Institute in Princeton, USA where "light pulco" has been accelerated to

300 times their normal velocity of 186,00 miles per sec.

 

 

The details of the findings I am told had been submitted to the International

Scientific journals "Nature" and "Science" for verification and validation

before open publication.

 

This validation and verification took place in the last few days.

 

The experiment has been validated and reported by the Science magazines and

journals, including BBC, Washington Post and other leading newspapers.

 

The implications of this finding, are not mind- boggling but mind-annihilating.

 

For the experiment showed that light pulse existed in two places at once.

 

In effect, it is "leaping forward in time" (Sunday times)

 

What is making the scientists aghast is that "if light can travel forward in

time, it could carry information".

 

This (carriage of information) is being hotly argued against, by the rest of the

scientific community, but that is like a Scientific DNS(Dark Night of the Soul,

where all your life long dearly cherished beliefs are getting exposed for what

they are.

Obviously you are pissed off, in agony)

 

The breaching of the speed of Light, would breach one of the basic principles in

Physics-Law of causality which is based on the premise that cause must come

before effect.

 

It would also shatter Einstein's theory of Relativity." (Sunday Times)

 

 

However for me, the Princeton experiment is completely aligned to the premise or

concept that mystics have indicated for the last 5,000 years, that everything

that has happened, is happening, is to happen, have all already happened.

 

And thus has anything ever happened?

 

Is there anything like a cause, an effect or are both "existing" together

simultaneously?

 

Is the totality of the Picture already IS?

 

If yes, the concept of karma goes out of the window, the concept of effort which

really is a process of becoming (from an un-enlightened state, you meditate or

whatever your favorite poison, towards enlightenment), all that is OUT.

 

 

Relating to this scientific development, else where in cyber space, a question

came up.

 

Thomas:

Sandeep, I would be interested in how you think this neutralizes the concepts

of karma and enlightenment.

 

----

 

 

A conceptual two bit of a reply to Thomas...........

 

 

Ahaa

Let's take the concept of enlightenment, first.

In the conceptual world of phenomenality, something has a meaning only on the

basis of it's opposite.

 

"Good" has no meaning unless the definition of "evil" is in place and mutually

agreed.

Saddam and Bill Clinton may not have an mutually agreeable definition, for

example.

 

The concept of "enlightenment" has no meaning unless you define what that state

is to be, (which off course is a joke) and this you define by defining what an

"Un-enlightened" state is to be.

 

After all one can only know about freedom, when one defines what bondage is and

pursues to be free, by accepting that one is bound in the first place.

 

The very pursuit perpetuating the bondage, but let's get back to the question

you raised, Thomas.

 

One then assumes that one is currently "un-enlightened" and then proceeds to

adopt, swear by, "paths", "efforts", "practices", which one believes

will move

oneself from one state to the other.

 

I wonder whether you see the absurdity of all this( akin a dog chasing it's own

tail), but let's get back to the consequences of the breaching of the Speed of

Light.

 

When you define the two states of "un-enlightened" and a separate

"enlightenment", you are actually accepting the process of "becoming".

 

You are "this" and you believe that you can become "that".

 

And you assume that this "becoming" can be achieved through X, Y, Z, etc, etc.

 

With the assumption of "becoming", you give birth to the concepts of "time", as

you need a postulate of "duration" in which this "becoming" is to be completed

and you give birth to the concept of space, in order to cognize the "becomed

state" .

 

With the birth of the concepts time and space, you give birth to the concept of

the Causality, a cause, which occurs in time and gives birth to an effect, also

in time and space.

 

(X,Y,Z , can get me enlightenment or a Million dollars, ability to walk on water

or seduce that blonde, whatever, a cause and an effect of that cause)

 

Now with the breaching of the speed of Light, the experiment reached 300 times

the current record at Cosmic Olympics of 300,00- kms per sec, why not 30,000

times the current standard, why not 3 Million times, why not infinite times?

 

If speed of light is actually infinite (another concept), we have only been able

to recognize it as 300 times 300,000 kms per sec as of now, (due to level of

technology at the moment)..................what you are really seeing is that

there is not even a trillionth of a nanosecond difference between the starting

point of light and ending point of light.

 

Existence in two place is simultaneous, Existence in infinite points is

simultaneous.

 

(At the moment, even the team at NEC, Princeton, do not claim this is possible,

but as I said earlier that is like a Scientific DNS).

 

Cause and effect IS simultaneously.

 

All that has happened, is happening, is to happen, has already happened.

 

The totality of the picture, is already there, was always.

 

Hence the postulate of time goes out of the window and with that movement is an

impossibility, and with movement becoming an impossibility, the postulate of

space is a joke.

 

Ergo, "becoming" is a joke, if totality of the picture IS already.

 

Cause, "becoming" an effect, is a joke, because there is really no cause and

effect.

 

Causality, is thus a joke.

 

 

The states of "un-enlightenment" and "enlightenment" and movement between the

two, is a joke.

 

 

In oneness, which is nothing but "existing" at infinite point simultaneously,

who is there "un-enlightened", which is to become "enlightened"?

 

Let's now take our good old friend- karma.

 

The concept of karma essentially being the consequences of a previous "self"

effecting the current "self" is all based on the process of "becoming" which is

a joke.

 

In oneness, who is laying karma on whom?

 

 

My right hand reaches out in love and clasps my left hand earning "good" karma

or reaches out in anger and slaps my left hand, earning "bad" karma,

......................it's all I, isn't it?

 

 

 

 

Rub-a-bub-dub

 

 

 

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OM Sandeep

 

Albert Einstein said, "Time cannot be absolutely defined, and

there is no inseparable relation between time and signal

velocity.

 

In other words, time is relationship, between the properties of

physical bodies and the changes that occur to them. Time

becomes a factor of energy changes. We, as manifested and

conditioned instruments, seem to have the self-awareness to

recognize our state of energies and to change that state of

energy.

 

All of the paranormal phenomena that are associated with

spiritual unfolding -levitation, leaving the body, being in two

places at once, knowing the past, present and future, etc. - are

all due to changes in our energy state that enable us to step

outside of our current, mundane time and enter new times and

new dimensions.

 

The future can be changed and so can the past. The average

spiritual seeker is enjoined not to attempt these changes for

their own sake because that detour takes them away from their

true nature, Brahman. However, governments are under no

such injunction, and are in the process of militarizing time. The

aim is to prevent a foe from changing the time of another country

and perhaps even preventing that country from coming into being

as a nation - the American revolution never happened, the

Russian revolution never happened, SUVs and nuclear

weaponry were never invented, and so on.

 

Interesting times that we live in

 

OM Namah Sivaya

 

Omprem

 

 

 

, Sandeep Chatterjee

<sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> Hiya

>

>

> Couple of years, on the event of the speed of Light thought to

be THE constant for Life, having been breached, a prattling was

shared, elsewhere in cyber space.

>

> Maybe of interest here...........

>

>

> ----------------

>

> On the breaking of the "ultimate" barrier, the speed of light

currently sanctified at 186,000 miles per sec, I was in Europe

few months back when the London Sunday Times carried a

report on an experiment carried out at the NEC Research

Institute in Princeton, USA where "light pulco" has been

accelerated to 300 times their normal velocity of 186,00 miles

per sec.

>

>

> The details of the findings I am told had been submitted to the

International Scientific journals "Nature" and "Science" for

verification and validation before open publication.

>

> This validation and verification took place in the last few days.

>

> The experiment has been validated and reported by the

Science magazines and journals, including BBC, Washington

Post and other leading newspapers.

>

> The implications of this finding, are not mind- boggling but

mind-annihilating.

>

> For the experiment showed that light pulse existed in two

places at once.

>

> In effect, it is "leaping forward in time" (Sunday times)

>

> What is making the scientists aghast is that "if light can travel

forward in time, it could carry information".

>

> This (carriage of information) is being hotly argued against, by

the rest of the scientific community, but that is like a Scientific

DNS(Dark Night of the Soul, where all your life long dearly

cherished beliefs are getting exposed for what they are.

> Obviously you are pissed off, in agony)

>

> The breaching of the speed of Light, would breach one of the

basic principles in Physics-Law of causality which is based on

the premise that cause must come before effect.

>

> It would also shatter Einstein's theory of Relativity." (Sunday

Times)

>

>

> However for me, the Princeton experiment is completely

aligned to the premise or concept that mystics have indicated for

the last 5,000 years, that everything that has happened, is

happening, is to happen, have all already happened.

>

> And thus has anything ever happened?

>

> Is there anything like a cause, an effect or are both "existing"

together simultaneously?

>

> Is the totality of the Picture already IS?

>

> If yes, the concept of karma goes out of the window, the

concept of effort which really is a process of becoming (from an

un-enlightened state, you meditate or whatever your favorite

poison, towards enlightenment), all that is OUT.

>

>

> Relating to this scientific development, else where in cyber

space, a question came up.

>

> Thomas:

> Sandeep, I would be interested in how you think this

neutralizes the concepts of karma and enlightenment.

>

> ----

>

>

> A conceptual two bit of a reply to Thomas...........

>

>

> Ahaa

> Let's take the concept of enlightenment, first.

> In the conceptual world of phenomenality, something has a

meaning only on the basis of it's opposite.

>

> "Good" has no meaning unless the definition of "evil" is in

place and mutually agreed.

> Saddam and Bill Clinton may not have an mutually agreeable

definition, for example.

>

> The concept of "enlightenment" has no meaning unless you

define what that state is to be, (which off course is a joke) and

this you define by defining what an "Un-enlightened" state is to

be.

>

> After all one can only know about freedom, when one defines

what bondage is and pursues to be free, by accepting that one is

bound in the first place.

>

> The very pursuit perpetuating the bondage, but let's get back to

the question you raised, Thomas.

>

> One then assumes that one is currently "un-enlightened" and

then proceeds to adopt, swear by, "paths", "efforts", "practices",

which one believes will move oneself from one state to the other.

>

> I wonder whether you see the absurdity of all this( akin a dog

chasing it's own tail), but let's get back to the consequences of

the breaching of the Speed of Light.

>

> When you define the two states of "un-enlightened" and a

separate "enlightenment", you are actually accepting the process

of "becoming".

>

> You are "this" and you believe that you can become "that".

>

> And you assume that this "becoming" can be achieved through

X, Y, Z, etc, etc.

>

> With the assumption of "becoming", you give birth to the

concepts of "time", as you need a postulate of "duration" in which

this "becoming" is to be completed and you give birth to the

concept of space, in order to cognize the "becomed state" .

>

> With the birth of the concepts time and space, you give birth to

the concept of the Causality, a cause, which occurs in time and

gives birth to an effect, also in time and space.

>

> (X,Y,Z , can get me enlightenment or a Million dollars, ability to

walk on water or seduce that blonde, whatever, a cause and an

effect of that cause)

>

> Now with the breaching of the speed of Light, the experiment

reached 300 times the current record at Cosmic Olympics of

300,00- kms per sec, why not 30,000 times the current standard,

why not 3 Million times, why not infinite times?

>

> If speed of light is actually infinite (another concept), we have

only been able to recognize it as 300 times 300,000 kms per sec

as of now, (due to level of technology at the

moment)..................what you are really seeing is that there is not

even a trillionth of a nanosecond difference between the starting

point of light and ending point of light.

>

> Existence in two place is simultaneous, Existence in infinite

points is simultaneous.

>

> (At the moment, even the team at NEC, Princeton, do not claim

this is possible, but as I said earlier that is like a Scientific DNS).

>

> Cause and effect IS simultaneously.

>

> All that has happened, is happening, is to happen, has already

happened.

>

> The totality of the picture, is already there, was always.

>

> Hence the postulate of time goes out of the window and with

that movement is an impossibility, and with movement

becoming an impossibility, the postulate of space is a joke.

>

> Ergo, "becoming" is a joke, if totality of the picture IS already.

>

> Cause, "becoming" an effect, is a joke, because there is really

no cause and effect.

>

> Causality, is thus a joke.

>

>

> The states of "un-enlightenment" and "enlightenment" and

movement between the two, is a joke.

>

>

> In oneness, which is nothing but "existing" at infinite point

simultaneously, who is there "un-enlightened", which is to

become "enlightened"?

>

> Let's now take our good old friend- karma.

>

> The concept of karma essentially being the consequences of a

previous "self" effecting the current "self" is all based on the

process of "becoming" which is a joke.

>

> In oneness, who is laying karma on whom?

>

>

> My right hand reaches out in love and clasps my left hand

earning "good" karma or reaches out in anger and slaps my left

hand, earning "bad" karma, .....................it's all I, isn't it?

>

>

>

>

> Rub-a-bub-dub

>

>

>

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