Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Nila Saraswati Tara : The Devi Who Guides Through Troubles O Mother, Devi Nilasaraswati Tara Refuge with Thee I crave. Giver of prosperity and wealth art Thou To those who worship Thee. Standing on Siva, Thy right foot upon His breast and left upon His thigh Ever art Thou, with smiling lotus-like face. Thy three eyes are, as it were, full-blown lotuses. In Thy hands, Thou holdest a knife, a skull, a lotus, and a sword. Thou art the presiding Devi of speech. Thou art the creeper which grants all desires. Thou art the giver of all siddi, And the power to write both verse and prose. Three are Thine eyes, as it were blue lotuses. Ocean of Kindness and compassion art Thou. I pray to Thee of Thy mercy shower upon me the nectar of prosperity. O Sharbha, I pray Thee remove my fears, Proud Lady, brilliant are Thy garments, Bright with coiling serpents, Thou are clad in tiger skin, Thy waist is adorned with tiny tinkling bells. Thou holdest the heads of two demons Drippling with blood, just severed by the sword. Thy waist is girdles with heads of demons, As it were with a garland. Thus art Thou beautiful, O formidable One. O Devi Tara, attained with difficulty, I take refuge with Thee. Thou art beautiful with form both amorous and charmful. Thou art Bindu and the half-moon. Whose substance is Hrim and Phat Thou art mantra and the shelter of all. Thy forms are threefold – Gross, Subtle, and Supreme. Thou art beyond the reach of Veda. By the service of Thy lotus feet, Men of good deed attain sayujya liberation. O Paramesvari Thou art the Spouse of Him Who is Brahman, Visn and the three-eyed One. O Mother! He who neglects to serve Thy lotus feet, But serves instead the Devas, Indra and others, Who are themselves pluged in the ocean of samsara. Is indeed and most truly ignorant. O Mother! Those Devas who receive on their crowns The polent which comes from Thy lotus-like feet. Are able to keep their promise of conquest, And to gain victory over their enemies in battle – Such, without a doubt, are sheltered in Thy lap. But their enemies who send forth the defiant challenge. "I am a Deva, and none is equal to me in the whole world" Perish and meet such death as befits them. Bhuta, Preta, Pisacha, Raksasa, Daitya, foremost of Danava, Yaksa, Lords of Naga. Wrathful Dakini, great birds, tigers and other dreadful creatures Forthwith take flight at but the remembrance of Thy name, And are powerless to do aught of evil. Who serves Thy lotus feet, to him siddhi is given. He surpasses the Lord of Speech. And obtains the beauty of Kama, He can charm and paralyze multitudes of elephants upon the field of battle, And has power to stay the flow of water. The Siddha and prosperity are under his control. Phalasloka Whoever, being pure and self-controlled, Reads this eight-versed hymns to Tara, At morn, at noon, at evening, To him is given The power to write beautifully in prose or verse, Knowledge in all Sastra, Imperishable fortune, The Enjoyment of whatsoever he may desire, Fame, beauty, and wealth, The love of all men, And at the end liberation. >From Nila Tantra Arthur Avalon ************************************************* Kuan Yin, Goddess of Compassion I made the vow and kept my word I reached enlightenment but rather than pass over to the state of eternal bliss I retain human form till all beings attain enlightenment Keeping human form enabled me to know more deeply the pain others experience Because of my deep feelings because of my understanding of misery and suffering because of my decision I am called The Compassionate One She Whose Name Alleviates All Suffering But wouldn't you prefer to wait feeling what others feel suffering what others suffer knowing their pain as your own wait till the end of all suffering and pain till all beings attain enlightenment? For me there was no other choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 Kuan Yin is also sometimes known as Guanyin and in Japan she is known as Kwannon. She is also known as "the one who hears prayers/sounds/weeping". She is also protective of women and children. Her popularity is enhanced by a Chinese legend, which identifies her as an indigenous princess called Miao Shan. She was the third daughter of a King and suffered terrible punishments after refusing to marry anyone but an ordinary Physician. She was eventually condemned to public execution, but her body was taken by the spirits and preserved for resurrection. When the underworld blossomed into a garden of paradise because of her presence, she was quickly accorded divine status. As a divinity she would meditate regularly on the plight of humankind and extend mercy in answer to every prayer, but she continued to assume physical incarnations, moving among people in order to help them physically and spiritually. However historically, Kwan Yin is an import from the Indian subcontinent, brought to China by Buddhist missionaries in the form of a Bodhisattva or Future Buddha. According to the Buddhist theology, a bodhisattva was an enlightened one, who through generations had learned how to escape the endless cycle of death and resurrection that afflicted the rest of the humanity, but who, as an act of compassion, regularly chose a body in which to be reborn so that he could help others to reach salvation. Kwan Yin was originally as Avolokiteshvara, the male bodhisattva of compassion, and her transformation into a goddess may appear to be something of an enigma in a religion where women were regarded as less perfect beings then men. However when Buddhism was introduced in China under the Han Dynasty in the 3rd century AD, it soon syncretized with Taoism and Confucianism. These religions may have cause the metamorphosis of Avolokiteshvara by confusing him with an indigenous female deity. The germinal Kwan Yin may have been the ancient mother Goddess, Nu-Kua, who was a guardian of humankind, or the Taoist deity called Queen of Heaven. A bodhisattva combines the attributes of knowledge and compassion, and in this light it is perhaps not surprisingly that the male Avolokiteshvara should be assimilated with a Goddess, who often exercise mercy on her role as the all-knowing judge of the dead. Om ParaSakthiye Namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 Greetings all, There is a Kuan Yin temple here in Singapore at Waterloo Street ( Bugis).Many devotees ( not only chinese but also indians) come here to offer their prayers to her.They offer her lotus usually. Also alot of her devotees told me Kuan Yin is a male who was painted to look like a lady,so people concluded that Kuan Yin was a woman. I dont know how true this is,anyone know more? Nora <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:Kuan Yin is also sometimes known as Guanyin and in Japan she is known as Kwannon. She is also known as "the one who hears prayers/sounds/weeping". She is also protective of women and children. Her popularity is enhanced by a Chinese legend, which identifies her as an indigenous princess called Miao Shan. She was the third daughter of a King and suffered terrible punishments after refusing to marry anyone but an ordinary Physician. She was eventually condemned to public execution, but her body was taken by the spirits and preserved for resurrection. When the underworld blossomed into a garden of paradise because of her presence, she was quickly accorded divine status. As a divinity she would meditate regularly on the plight of humankind and extend mercy in answer to every prayer, but she continued to assume physical incarnations, moving among people in order to help them physically and spiritually. However historically, Kwan Yin is an import from the Indian subcontinent, brought to China by Buddhist missionaries in the form of a Bodhisattva or Future Buddha. According to the Buddhist theology, a bodhisattva was an enlightened one, who through generations had learned how to escape the endless cycle of death and resurrection that afflicted the rest of the humanity, but who, as an act of compassion, regularly chose a body in which to be reborn so that he could help others to reach salvation. Kwan Yin was originally as Avolokiteshvara, the male bodhisattva of compassion, and her transformation into a goddess may appear to be something of an enigma in a religion where women were regarded as less perfect beings then men. However when Buddhism was introduced in China under the Han Dynasty in the 3rd century AD, it soon syncretized with Taoism and Confucianism. These religions may have cause the metamorphosis of Avolokiteshvara by confusing him with an indigenous female deity. The germinal Kwan Yin may have been the ancient mother Goddess, Nu-Kua, who was a guardian of humankind, or the Taoist deity called Queen of Heaven. A bodhisattva combines the attributes of knowledge and compassion, and in this light it is perhaps not surprisingly that the male Avolokiteshvara should be assimilated with a Goddess, who often exercise mercy on her role as the all-knowing judge of the dead. Om ParaSakthiye Namaha Biztools - Promote your business from just $5 a month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Greetings M.P "There is a Kuan Yin temple here in Singapore at Waterloo Street ( Bugis).Many devotees ( not only chinese but also indians) come here to offer their prayers to her.They offer her lotus usually" Yes! Waterloo Street, there is a famous Kuan Yin temple. Indeed a lot of Indians and Chinese too pay homage to Her especially during Vesak day. "Also alot of her devotees told me Kuan Yin is a male who was painted to look like a lady, so people concluded that Kuan Yin was a woman. I dont know how true this is, anyone know more?" This is a picture of Kuan Yin as a man. http://www.shaktisadhana.org/Photo%20Gallery/Tara12.html Read on Tara/Kuan Yin's vow Beautiful and informative site created by Kuan Yin Bhakta, which consists of Kuan Yin Prayers, mantras, poetry, more pictures etc http://www.geocities.com/isisdownunder1/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Namaste, Tara in Sanskrit means 'star'. I wonder which star? Kenneth Rexroth suggests in his poetry that Marishiten/Marishi Devi is also to be equated to Tara, and that she was indeed the Evening Star: Venus - "The Morning Star (Marishiten) glows over the ocean of the universe..." [bopsecrets website on rexroth]. - from 'The Silver Swan' (c1970) "A ray of the Morning Star Pierces a shaft of moon-filled mist. A naked girl takes form And comes towards me - translucent, Her body made of infinite Whirling points of light..." In this poem the Morning Star, who in Sanskrit is literally 'Tara', unites with the poet. It is a moment of "star and crescent". This is also telling, since an ancient Hindu myth pictures Soma as the moon, pursuing Tara across the heavens... I myself have actually witnessed the crescent moon closing on Venus in the westering sky of evening. Now Rexroth was a scholar of Buddhism, as well as being a poet - he appears to have drawn on an esoteric strand of Buddhism for inspiration to the Silver Swan, and I quote from the 'bopsecrets' website:- "In 'Late half moon', Shakamuni unites with his consort Tara in Tantric union of wisdom and love". This is interesting, because the 'traditional' moment of Enlightenment comes to the Buddha with the light of the Morning Star. So, is Tara in fact the planet Venus? Please disregard entirely sorry attempts by male-dominated Buddhism to turn Tara into a man. Tara is a Goddess and she stands, if needs be, on her own - over thousands of years and within many cultural contexts. m6 , "Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > Nila Saraswati Tara : The Devi Who Guides Through Troubles > > O Mother, Devi Nilasaraswati Tara > Refuge with Thee I crave. > Giver of prosperity and wealth art Thou > To those who worship Thee. > Standing on Siva, > Thy right foot upon His breast and left upon His thigh > Ever art Thou, with smiling lotus-like face. > Thy three eyes are, as it were, full-blown lotuses. > In Thy hands, Thou holdest a knife, a skull, a lotus, and a sword. > > Thou art the presiding Devi of speech. > Thou art the creeper which grants all desires. > Thou art the giver of all siddi, > And the power to write both verse and prose. > Three are Thine eyes, as it were blue lotuses. > Ocean of Kindness and compassion art Thou. > I pray to Thee of Thy mercy shower upon me the nectar of prosperity. > > O Sharbha, I pray Thee remove my fears, > Proud Lady, brilliant are Thy garments, > Bright with coiling serpents, > Thou are clad in tiger skin, > Thy waist is adorned with tiny tinkling bells. > Thou holdest the heads of two demons > Drippling with blood, just severed by the sword. > Thy waist is girdles with heads of demons, > As it were with a garland. > Thus art Thou beautiful, > O formidable One. > > O Devi Tara, attained with difficulty, > I take refuge with Thee. > Thou art beautiful with form both amorous and charmful. > Thou art Bindu and the half-moon. > Whose substance is Hrim and Phat > Thou art mantra and the shelter of all. > Thy forms are threefold – > Gross, Subtle, and Supreme. > Thou art beyond the reach of Veda. > > By the service of Thy lotus feet, > Men of good deed attain sayujya liberation. > O Paramesvari Thou art the Spouse of Him > Who is Brahman, Visn and the three-eyed One. > O Mother! He who neglects to serve Thy lotus feet, > But serves instead the Devas, Indra and others, > Who are themselves pluged in the ocean of samsara. > Is indeed and most truly ignorant. > > O Mother! Those Devas who receive on their crowns > The polent which comes from Thy lotus-like feet. > Are able to keep their promise of conquest, > And to gain victory over their enemies in battle – > Such, without a doubt, are sheltered in Thy lap. > But their enemies who send forth the defiant challenge. > "I am a Deva, and none is equal to me in the whole world" > Perish and meet such death as befits them. > > Bhuta, Preta, Pisacha, Raksasa, > Daitya, foremost of Danava, Yaksa, Lords of Naga. > Wrathful Dakini, great birds, tigers and other dreadful creatures > Forthwith take flight at but the remembrance of Thy name, > And are powerless to do aught of evil. > > Who serves Thy lotus feet, to him siddhi is given. > He surpasses the Lord of Speech. > And obtains the beauty of Kama, > He can charm and paralyze multitudes of elephants upon the field of > battle, > And has power to stay the flow of water. > The Siddha and prosperity are under his control. > > Phalasloka > Whoever, being pure and self-controlled, > Reads this eight-versed hymns to Tara, > At morn, at noon, at evening, > To him is given > The power to write beautifully in prose or verse, > Knowledge in all Sastra, > Imperishable fortune, > The Enjoyment of whatsoever he may desire, > Fame, beauty, and wealth, > The love of all men, > And at the end liberation. > > From Nila Tantra > Arthur Avalon > > > ************************************************* > > Kuan Yin, Goddess of Compassion > > > > I made the vow > and kept my word > I reached enlightenment > but rather than pass over > to the state of eternal bliss > I retain human form > till all beings attain enlightenment > Keeping human form > enabled me to know more deeply > the pain others experience > Because of my deep feelings > because of my understanding > of misery and suffering > because of my decision > I am called The Compassionate One > She Whose Name Alleviates All Suffering > But wouldn't you prefer to wait > feeling what others feel > suffering what others suffer > knowing their pain as your own > wait till the end of all suffering and pain > till all beings attain enlightenment? > For me there was no other choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Note: Venus is the Morning or Evening Star, depending on her visibility towards the horizon in the dawn or dusk. Thank you, m6 , "m6" <megalith6@h...> wrote: > Namaste, > > Tara in Sanskrit means 'star'. I wonder which star? Kenneth Rexroth > suggests in his poetry that Marishiten/Marishi Devi is also to be > equated to Tara, and that she was indeed the Evening Star: Venus - > > "The Morning Star (Marishiten) glows over the ocean of the > universe..." [bopsecrets website on rexroth]. > > - from 'The Silver Swan' (c1970) > > "A ray of the Morning Star > Pierces a shaft of moon-filled mist. > A naked girl takes form > And comes towards me - translucent, > Her body made of infinite > Whirling points of light..." > > In this poem the Morning Star, who in Sanskrit is literally 'Tara', > unites with the poet. > > It is a moment of "star and crescent". This is also telling, since an > ancient Hindu myth pictures Soma as the moon, pursuing Tara across > the heavens... I myself have actually witnessed the crescent moon > closing on Venus in the westering sky of evening. > > Now Rexroth was a scholar of Buddhism, as well as being a poet - he > appears to have drawn on an esoteric strand of Buddhism for > inspiration to the Silver Swan, and I quote from the 'bopsecrets' > website:- > > "In 'Late half moon', Shakamuni unites with his consort Tara in > Tantric union of wisdom and love". > > This is interesting, because the 'traditional' moment of > Enlightenment comes to the Buddha with the light of the Morning Star. > > So, is Tara in fact the planet Venus? > > > Please disregard entirely sorry attempts by male-dominated Buddhism > to turn Tara into a man. Tara is a Goddess and she stands, if needs > be, on her own - over thousands of years and within many cultural > contexts. > > m6 > > > > , "Nora" > <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > > Nila Saraswati Tara : The Devi Who Guides Through Troubles > > > > O Mother, Devi Nilasaraswati Tara > > Refuge with Thee I crave. > > Giver of prosperity and wealth art Thou > > To those who worship Thee. > > Standing on Siva, > > Thy right foot upon His breast and left upon His thigh > > Ever art Thou, with smiling lotus-like face. > > Thy three eyes are, as it were, full-blown lotuses. > > In Thy hands, Thou holdest a knife, a skull, a lotus, and a sword. > > > > Thou art the presiding Devi of speech. > > Thou art the creeper which grants all desires. > > Thou art the giver of all siddi, > > And the power to write both verse and prose. > > Three are Thine eyes, as it were blue lotuses. > > Ocean of Kindness and compassion art Thou. > > I pray to Thee of Thy mercy shower upon me the nectar of prosperity. > > > > O Sharbha, I pray Thee remove my fears, > > Proud Lady, brilliant are Thy garments, > > Bright with coiling serpents, > > Thou are clad in tiger skin, > > Thy waist is adorned with tiny tinkling bells. > > Thou holdest the heads of two demons > > Drippling with blood, just severed by the sword. > > Thy waist is girdles with heads of demons, > > As it were with a garland. > > Thus art Thou beautiful, > > O formidable One. > > > > O Devi Tara, attained with difficulty, > > I take refuge with Thee. > > Thou art beautiful with form both amorous and charmful. > > Thou art Bindu and the half-moon. > > Whose substance is Hrim and Phat > > Thou art mantra and the shelter of all. > > Thy forms are threefold – > > Gross, Subtle, and Supreme. > > Thou art beyond the reach of Veda. > > > > By the service of Thy lotus feet, > > Men of good deed attain sayujya liberation. > > O Paramesvari Thou art the Spouse of Him > > Who is Brahman, Visn and the three-eyed One. > > O Mother! He who neglects to serve Thy lotus feet, > > But serves instead the Devas, Indra and others, > > Who are themselves pluged in the ocean of samsara. > > Is indeed and most truly ignorant. > > > > O Mother! Those Devas who receive on their crowns > > The polent which comes from Thy lotus-like feet. > > Are able to keep their promise of conquest, > > And to gain victory over their enemies in battle – > > Such, without a doubt, are sheltered in Thy lap. > > But their enemies who send forth the defiant challenge. > > "I am a Deva, and none is equal to me in the whole world" > > Perish and meet such death as befits them. > > > > Bhuta, Preta, Pisacha, Raksasa, > > Daitya, foremost of Danava, Yaksa, Lords of Naga. > > Wrathful Dakini, great birds, tigers and other dreadful creatures > > Forthwith take flight at but the remembrance of Thy name, > > And are powerless to do aught of evil. > > > > Who serves Thy lotus feet, to him siddhi is given. > > He surpasses the Lord of Speech. > > And obtains the beauty of Kama, > > He can charm and paralyze multitudes of elephants upon the field of > > battle, > > And has power to stay the flow of water. > > The Siddha and prosperity are under his control. > > > > Phalasloka > > Whoever, being pure and self-controlled, > > Reads this eight-versed hymns to Tara, > > At morn, at noon, at evening, > > To him is given > > The power to write beautifully in prose or verse, > > Knowledge in all Sastra, > > Imperishable fortune, > > The Enjoyment of whatsoever he may desire, > > Fame, beauty, and wealth, > > The love of all men, > > And at the end liberation. > > > > From Nila Tantra > > Arthur Avalon > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > > Kuan Yin, Goddess of Compassion > > > > > > > > I made the vow > > and kept my word > > I reached enlightenment > > but rather than pass over > > to the state of eternal bliss > > I retain human form > > till all beings attain enlightenment > > Keeping human form > > enabled me to know more deeply > > the pain others experience > > Because of my deep feelings > > because of my understanding > > of misery and suffering > > because of my decision > > I am called The Compassionate One > > She Whose Name Alleviates All Suffering > > But wouldn't you prefer to wait > > feeling what others feel > > suffering what others suffer > > knowing their pain as your own > > wait till the end of all suffering and pain > > till all beings attain enlightenment? > > For me there was no other choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 So, is Tara in fact the planet Venus? Thank you megalith. It is a pleasure to see you again. I am actually in the midst of gathering information about Tara for the group page, see no harm in sharing this information now. Apparently in the ancient times without the knowledge of the stars and their movements it is not really possible to find one's way over great distances. Tara is often mentioned as the goddess of navigation. So for a mariner or the traveler through the desert or jungle, where there are no landmarks, the stars are being used as guidance. The stars provided both orientation and an assurance of safe passage. Two most significant "stars" were Venus and the pole star. Infact in all Indo-European cultures dependent on long distance travel a principle divinity was identified with the planet Venus. Venus is most often being portrayed or deified in female figures, often associating with the moon and fertility. In India, apparently certain key stars: the pole-star or North Star ( also known as Dhruva Tara ) are usually being used as navigational guided for vogaters over the sea and travelers through the huge wildernesses that once covered the Indian subcontinent. In the Vishnu Puranaa, theres was a Braahminacal legend of Tara. In this story Tara was the wife of Brhaspati ( planet Jupiter ) and one day she was abducted by Some ( the moon ). Despite the efforts of Brhaspati to recover her and even Brahmaa command that she be returned, Soma refused. A great battle follow suit. This battle was so huge that even "The Earth shaken to its very center and cried out for protection". Tara was eventually restored back to her husband and later on gave birth to Buddha ( planet Mercury ) who turns out to be the child of Soma. In the 108 names of Tara, she is called the leader of the caravan, who showed the way to those who have lost it. She is also called Dhruvaa. Spiritually, Tara not only gave guidance across mundane sea and the wilderness, and led travelers/pilgrims back to the safe path, she have the power to ferry the spiritual seeker across the ocean of existence and show the way out of the jungles of conditioned existence towards Enlightenment itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Namaste Nora, I strongly suspect that Tara was Venus in pre-Vedic astronomy and astrology, because the planet Venus in Old Tamil is (still) feminine 'Velli', whereas in contemporary Hindu starlore it is, or has become, masculine Shukra. The legend you paraphrase speaks volumes in that, every single heavenly body is identified e x c e p t Tara:- Soma = the Moon Brhaspati = Jupiter Buda = Mercury Tara = ???????????? Tara's been erased, and her 'star' usurped by Shukra, I suspect. Furthermore, the likelihood of an astrological conjunction between Jupiter or the Moon and the Pole Star is presumably impossible? - although I am no astronomer; conjunctions between the Moon, Jupiter and Venus must occur - it seems to me - and would have led to such legends as the one you describe: these events in the night sky would have been meticulously observed by the ancient astronomers, in India, I should have thought? Thank you Nora - Om Tara! m6 , "Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > So, is Tara in fact the planet Venus? > > > Thank you megalith. It is a pleasure to see you again. > > I am actually in the midst of gathering information about Tara for > the group page, see no harm in sharing this information now. > > Apparently in the ancient times without the knowledge of the stars > and their movements it is not really possible to find one's way > over > great distances. Tara is often mentioned as the goddess of > navigation. So for a mariner or the traveler through the desert or > jungle, where there are no landmarks, the stars are being used as > guidance. The stars provided both orientation and an assurance of > safe passage. > > Two most significant "stars" were Venus and the pole star. > Infact in > all Indo-European cultures dependent on long distance travel a > principle divinity was identified with the planet Venus. Venus is > most often being portrayed or deified in female figures, often > associating with the moon and fertility. In India, apparently certain > key stars: the pole-star or North Star ( also known as Dhruva Tara ) > are usually being used as navigational guided for vogaters over the > sea and travelers through the huge wildernesses that once covered the > Indian subcontinent. > > In the Vishnu Puranaa, theres was a Braahminacal legend of Tara. In > this story Tara was the wife of Brhaspati ( planet Jupiter ) and one > day she was abducted by Some ( the moon ). Despite the efforts of > Brhaspati to recover her and even Brahmaa command that she be > returned, Soma refused. A great battle follow suit. This battle was > so huge that even "The Earth shaken to its very center and cried > out > for protection". Tara was eventually restored back to her husband > and > later on gave birth to Buddha ( planet Mercury ) who turns out to be > the child of Soma. > > In the 108 names of Tara, she is called the leader of the caravan, > who showed the way to those who have lost it. She is also called > Dhruvaa. > > Spiritually, Tara not only gave guidance across mundane sea and the > wilderness, and led travelers/pilgrims back to the safe path, she > have the power to ferry the spiritual seeker across the ocean of > existence and show the way out of the jungles of conditioned > existence towards Enlightenment itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Namaste, I've actually found a reference to Shukra as 'Vena', a male deity who was 'transformed' by Shiva ... into yet a male deity, presumably into Shukra? Quite a coincidence(?) then, that we have a Vedic Vena parallel to a Dravidian Velli - both meaning the planet Venus, but the former male and the latter female. Velli appears to be the name for the planet Venus at Harrapa. m6 , "m6" <megalith6@h...> wrote: > Namaste Nora, > > I strongly suspect that Tara was Venus in pre-Vedic astronomy and > astrology, because the planet Venus in Old Tamil is (still) > feminine 'Velli', whereas in contemporary Hindu starlore it is, or > has become, masculine Shukra. > > The legend you paraphrase speaks volumes in that, every single > heavenly body is identified e x c e p t Tara:- > > Soma = the Moon > Brhaspati = Jupiter > Buda = Mercury > Tara = ???????????? > > Tara's been erased, and her 'star' usurped by Shukra, I suspect. > > Furthermore, the likelihood of an astrological conjunction between > Jupiter or the Moon and the Pole Star is presumably impossible? - > although I am no astronomer; conjunctions between the Moon, Jupiter > and Venus must occur - it seems to me - and would have led to such > legends as the one you describe: these events in the night sky would > have been meticulously observed by the ancient astronomers, in India, > I should have thought? > > Thank you Nora - > > Om Tara! > > m6 > > > , "Nora" > <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > > So, is Tara in fact the planet Venus? > > > > > > Thank you megalith. It is a pleasure to see you again. > > > > I am actually in the midst of gathering information about Tara for > > the group page, see no harm in sharing this information now. > > > > Apparently in the ancient times without the knowledge of the stars > > and their movements it is not really possible to find one's way > > over > > great distances. Tara is often mentioned as the goddess of > > navigation. So for a mariner or the traveler through the desert or > > jungle, where there are no landmarks, the stars are being used as > > guidance. The stars provided both orientation and an assurance of > > safe passage. > > > > Two most significant "stars" were Venus and the pole star. > > Infact in > > all Indo-European cultures dependent on long distance travel a > > principle divinity was identified with the planet Venus. Venus is > > most often being portrayed or deified in female figures, often > > associating with the moon and fertility. In India, apparently > certain > > key stars: the pole-star or North Star ( also known as Dhruva > Tara ) > > are usually being used as navigational guided for vogaters over the > > sea and travelers through the huge wildernesses that once covered > the > > Indian subcontinent. > > > > In the Vishnu Puranaa, theres was a Braahminacal legend of Tara. In > > this story Tara was the wife of Brhaspati ( planet Jupiter ) and > one > > day she was abducted by Some ( the moon ). Despite the efforts of > > Brhaspati to recover her and even Brahmaa command that she be > > returned, Soma refused. A great battle follow suit. This battle was > > so huge that even "The Earth shaken to its very center and cried > > out > > for protection". Tara was eventually restored back to her husband > > and > > later on gave birth to Buddha ( planet Mercury ) who turns out to > be > > the child of Soma. > > > > In the 108 names of Tara, she is called the leader of the caravan, > > who showed the way to those who have lost it. She is also called > > Dhruvaa. > > > > Spiritually, Tara not only gave guidance across mundane sea and the > > wilderness, and led travelers/pilgrims back to the safe path, she > > have the power to ferry the spiritual seeker across the ocean of > > existence and show the way out of the jungles of conditioned > > existence towards Enlightenment itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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