In conversation : Questions about Mantras

April 2, 2003

(thegoddessisinme2002) somebody asked : Could someone inform me how

is correct "Mahalaksmi Mantra" ? I found different versions and now I

am mixed which of them is correct.. maybe every ?? Finally which

words are Mahalakshmi's bija words ? Sometime I found HRIM

sometime. .RIM. .SRIM. . it looks like almost every Bija word fit

with Mahalaksmi !!

(Sankara Menon) yes what he says is correct there are lots of

mantras depending on difference in Dhyana. Bijas also vary according

to Mantra as the purposes for each mantra vary.

(thegoddessisinme2002) Aum Mahalaksmiye NamaH is a general form.

Somebody send me this: KshmrIM.

(Sankara Menon) yes generally HrIM can be used. KshmrIM is NOT

Mahalaksmi Bija. It is a powerful Ghora Bija used in Sharabha and the

like, forget it and is all wrong according to mantra shastra.

(thegoddessisinme2002) "OM..RIM...SRIM...LAKSHMIBHYO NAMAH" Why Rim

not HrIm ??? What is BHYO ???? in "Lakshmibhyo".

(Sankara Menon) HriM is just shakthi bija. bhyo indicates two. There

are no two Mahalaksmis together. So it means nothing. It is not a

mantra in the true sense of the word but just a jumble of words and

in my opinion created by someone without knowledge of mantra shastra.

It is a corruption of a Vaideeka mantra. That's the whole problem!!

so many corrupted mantras doing rounds on the net. Maybe even just

typhos. What does JYOTIRASOMRTAM mean? i dunno!!

(thegoddessisinme2002) What is "Bhurbhuvassuvarom" ???? Is it form of

Bhur Bhuvah Svah ???? if,then should be Bhurbhuvahsvahom. Some says

that SVAH means SVARGA LOKA If it is,then should be- "Bhur Bhuvah

Svar" ,not "Svah"...but if it is, then what is

"BHUVAS SUVAH" ????

(Sankara Menon) You see there is a lot of difference in A and AA.

When you transliterate without using phonetic english a lot of

mistakes occur and the word and meaning change.

(Sankara Menon) There is a little story. There was one brahmin who

was very pious who used to loose his wife the day after marriage.He

did not know what the problem was. He did not know sanskrit well.

Then one scholar came and listened to his japas. He was reciting

Devi Kavacha where the words "Bhaaryaam Rakshathu Bhairaveem". This

poor man was reciting "Bhaaryaam bhakshatu Bhairaveem". "Rakshatu"

means protect. "Bhakshatu" means eat. Devi was granting his prayer

and eating his wife!! See that's how powerful mantras are that's why

in olden times you were taught mantra shastra basics before a mantra

was given. Now on the net every one gets the Mantras in English with

all pronunciation and meaning jumbled. That's where the danger is.

(thegoddessisinme2002) so the lesson is that when you get the mantras

online you should check it first before using it or reciting it.

(Sankara Menon) yes definitely that is why I am careful of what I

say. I put Devanagari everywhere. What I do not know for sure I do

not venture into. In every mantra there is a prescribed Channdas.

Chandas is meter. The reason why it is recited with the mantra is to

check the meter so that there is no mistake in the mantra. The

Shastra for that is called Chaandasshastra. One must know that too to

create mantras on your own. And to check the correctness of the

mantras you have or ask someone who knows

(thegoddessisinme2002) you cannot create mantras on your own unless u

have the knowledge like the guru? When you create a dhyana you also

must create the mantras with it.

(Sankara Menon) oh yes you can create mantras when you create you

also create the dhyana. And then by reciting it you must get the

devata's vision then you become the Rishi of that mantra. I may

create a compassionate Devi like you and create a mantra and when I

recite and get a vision, then that mantra becomes powerful. Those are

all in the relm of seers and there are so few now.

(thegoddessisinme2002) Why is that so? There are not many sincere

people into the field? People get corrupted easily?

(Sankara Menon) There are sincere people; but what is required are

people who spend 24 hours on this alone and NOTHING else. People have

to think of their lives so where is the time? In the olden days they

could because their needs were limited. The society used to take care

of their needs, now who will?

(thegoddessisinme2002) Stupid question but perhaps there are

somebody, like being said in the scriptures, when there is the need

and dharma on the decline, MAA will send somebody. But how do we

know, when there are so many fakes, people pretend to be what they

are NOT.

(Sankara Menon) Maybe someone will be there somewhere, let your

heart guide you. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

(Note : this conversation was held over the chat lines, and posted in

the message board with permission. Some might be wondering what

happen to Sankara Menon and why is he silence. He is working on the

final part of the Sakti Sadhana lesson. The two of us ( devi bhakta

and me) are working closely with him on this project. Currently I am

in the midst of converting the first part of the Sakti Sadhana lesson

into HTML for the homepage. Once it is done, we will post it in the

message board periodically)

April 2, 2003

All this emphasis on the correct Mantra, reminds me........

A cobbler came to the Sage and said,

"Tell me what to do about my morning prayers.My customers are very poor men

who have only one pair of shoes.

I pick up their shoes late in the evening and work on them most of the

night.

At dawn there is still work to be done, if the men are to have their shoes

ready before they go to work.

Now my question is : What should I do about my morning prayer?"

The sage asked 'What have you been doing till now?"

"Sometimes I rush through the prayer quickly and get back to work--but then

I feel bad about it.

At other times, I let the hour of prayer go by.

Then too I feel a sense of loss and every now and then, as I raise my hammer

from the shoes, I can almost hear my heart sigh " What an unlucky man I am,

that I am not able to make my morning prayers."

"If I were God, I would value that sigh more than the prayer", replied the

sage.

-

"Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy

<>

Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:56 AM

In conversation : Questions about Mantras

> (thegoddessisinme2002) somebody asked : Could someone inform me how

> is correct "Mahalaksmi Mantra" ? I found different versions and now I

> am mixed which of them is correct.. maybe every ?? Finally which

> words are Mahalakshmi's bija words ? Sometime I found HRIM

> sometime. .RIM. .SRIM. . it looks like almost every Bija word fit

> with Mahalaksmi !!

>

> (Sankara Menon) yes what he says is correct there are lots of

> mantras depending on difference in Dhyana. Bijas also vary according

> to Mantra as the purposes for each mantra vary.

>

> (thegoddessisinme2002) Aum Mahalaksmiye NamaH is a general form.

> Somebody send me this: KshmrIM.

>

> (Sankara Menon) yes generally HrIM can be used. KshmrIM is NOT

> Mahalaksmi Bija. It is a powerful Ghora Bija used in Sharabha and the

> like, forget it and is all wrong according to mantra shastra.

>

> (thegoddessisinme2002) "OM..RIM...SRIM...LAKSHMIBHYO NAMAH" Why Rim

> not HrIm ??? What is BHYO ???? in "Lakshmibhyo".

>

> (Sankara Menon) HriM is just shakthi bija. bhyo indicates two. There

> are no two Mahalaksmis together. So it means nothing. It is not a

> mantra in the true sense of the word but just a jumble of words and

> in my opinion created by someone without knowledge of mantra shastra.

> It is a corruption of a Vaideeka mantra. That's the whole problem!!

> so many corrupted mantras doing rounds on the net. Maybe even just

> typhos. What does JYOTIRASOMRTAM mean? i dunno!!

>

> (thegoddessisinme2002) What is "Bhurbhuvassuvarom" ???? Is it form of

> Bhur Bhuvah Svah ???? if,then should be Bhurbhuvahsvahom. Some says

> that SVAH means SVARGA LOKA If it is,then should be- "Bhur Bhuvah

> Svar" ,not "Svah"...but if it is, then what is

> "BHUVAS SUVAH" ????

>

> (Sankara Menon) You see there is a lot of difference in A and AA.

> When you transliterate without using phonetic english a lot of

> mistakes occur and the word and meaning change.

>

> (Sankara Menon) There is a little story. There was one brahmin who

> was very pious who used to loose his wife the day after marriage.He

> did not know what the problem was. He did not know sanskrit well.

> Then one scholar came and listened to his japas. He was reciting

> Devi Kavacha where the words "Bhaaryaam Rakshathu Bhairaveem". This

> poor man was reciting "Bhaaryaam bhakshatu Bhairaveem". "Rakshatu"

> means protect. "Bhakshatu" means eat. Devi was granting his prayer

> and eating his wife!! See that's how powerful mantras are that's why

> in olden times you were taught mantra shastra basics before a mantra

> was given. Now on the net every one gets the Mantras in English with

> all pronunciation and meaning jumbled. That's where the danger is.

>

> (thegoddessisinme2002) so the lesson is that when you get the mantras

> online you should check it first before using it or reciting it.

>

> (Sankara Menon) yes definitely that is why I am careful of what I

> say. I put Devanagari everywhere. What I do not know for sure I do

> not venture into. In every mantra there is a prescribed Channdas.

> Chandas is meter. The reason why it is recited with the mantra is to

> check the meter so that there is no mistake in the mantra. The

> Shastra for that is called Chaandasshastra. One must know that too to

> create mantras on your own. And to check the correctness of the

> mantras you have or ask someone who knows

>

> (thegoddessisinme2002) you cannot create mantras on your own unless u

> have the knowledge like the guru? When you create a dhyana you also

> must create the mantras with it.

>

> (Sankara Menon) oh yes you can create mantras when you create you

> also create the dhyana. And then by reciting it you must get the

> devata's vision then you become the Rishi of that mantra. I may

> create a compassionate Devi like you and create a mantra and when I

> recite and get a vision, then that mantra becomes powerful. Those are

> all in the relm of seers and there are so few now.

>

> (thegoddessisinme2002) Why is that so? There are not many sincere

> people into the field? People get corrupted easily?

>

> (Sankara Menon) There are sincere people; but what is required are

> people who spend 24 hours on this alone and NOTHING else. People have

> to think of their lives so where is the time? In the olden days they

> could because their needs were limited. The society used to take care

> of their needs, now who will?

>

> (thegoddessisinme2002) Stupid question but perhaps there are

> somebody, like being said in the scriptures, when there is the need

> and dharma on the decline, MAA will send somebody. But how do we

> know, when there are so many fakes, people pretend to be what they

> are NOT.

>

> (Sankara Menon) Maybe someone will be there somewhere, let your

> heart guide you. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

>

> (Note : this conversation was held over the chat lines, and posted in

> the message board with permission. Some might be wondering what

> happen to Sankara Menon and why is he silence. He is working on the

> final part of the Sakti Sadhana lesson. The two of us ( devi bhakta

> and me) are working closely with him on this project. Currently I am

> in the midst of converting the first part of the Sakti Sadhana lesson

> into HTML for the homepage. Once it is done, we will post it in the

> message board periodically)

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

April 2, 2003

if bhavana is all there is to it why did the sages create Mantras? Why did they

insist on correct pronunciation?

The answer IMHO is, when one is using a structure, use it propery. If not,

dispense with it altogether and go on with bhavana alone. Let both not be mixed

together

Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepc wrote:All this emphasis on the

correct Mantra, reminds me ........