Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 laroye2003, I can read very little Sanskrit, I am ashamed to admit. In another life - and in a more enlightened culture - I would devote myself to the study of all languages. But still, your posting has led me - through the miracle of modern technology - to 'The Western Buddhist Review', volume 2, and the article, 'Tara: Her Origins and Development' by Dharmachari Purna. The article appears to seek some form of relationship between the worship of Tara, and that of "Venus, Ishtar and Isis", something which I believe to be true but have encountered voluble resistence to, from certain apparently learned Buddhist quarters. Which brings me back to the subject of this posting - and I am now able to say, with some justification, 'ji ha!' 'I bow at the lotus feet of Tara'. Thank you, m6 , "Demon King of Havoc" <laroye2003> wrote: > Om Nama Shivaya > > kirtan > > > Shivãya Parameshvarãya > shivãya parameshvarãya > sasishekharãya nama om > bhavãya gunasambhavãya > shiva tãndavãya nama om > > shivãya parameshvarãya > chandrashekharãya nama om > bhavãya gunasambhavãya > shiva tãndavãya nama om > > > so I > > believe in polarity. > > Jai! > > > Om Vashaya Namaha > > > I utterly reject the imbalance of monotheism, > > and see it as one of the root causes of material misery and > spiritual > > impoverishment in much of the world today. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > Ya Devi Sarva Bhuteshu Shakti Rupena Samstita > > Namas Tas Yai Namotha > > Namo Namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 I hope M6 and Laroye2003 don't mind me interrupting, but I cant keep my mind off of Tara and her scissor. I am not sure weather this is a stupid question but I am going to ask M6 since he said that is a Tara Bhakta. The dhyana mantra for Ugra Tara there is no mention of Scissor. Only in the Tantrasara in her form as Nila Saraswati. If I am not mistaken Tara is the only goddess carry a scissor. That is why I am fascinated with this scissor that she is carrying. Does her dhyana mantra in the Buddhist mentions of scissor, or it is only in the Hindu version. I got this from : The Story of Scissors" by J. Wiss & Sons, 1948: ""Egyptian bronze shears of the Third Century B.C., a unique object of art. Showing Greek influence although with decoration characteristic of Nile culture, the shears are illustrative of the high degree of craftsmanship which developed in the period following Alexander's conquest of Egypt. Decorative male and female figures, which complement each other on each blade, are formed by solid pieces of metal of a different color inlaid in the bronze shears." Well I am aware of the symbolism of her Sword and Scissors : "symbolizes her ability to cut through fetters that binds a person to ignorance and limited consciousness " etc etc. Why does Tara have a special tool : the scissor. Another Star Goddess that was brought to my attention : Anahita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 I'm glad you returned to the original question of this discussion since I have some very partially formed thoughts on this. Words are so inadequate to express the mysteries of this but I would say: The gods manifest themselves in different cultures in different ways and take on attributes accordingly so I think Yes Tara is Venus through a different ethnological context. Jai Ganesha Legba , "m6" <megalith6@h...> wrote: > laroye2003, > > I can read very little Sanskrit, I am ashamed to admit. > > In another life - and in a more enlightened culture - I would devote > myself to the study of all languages. > > But still, your posting has led me - through the miracle of modern > technology - to 'The Western Buddhist Review', volume 2, and the > article, 'Tara: Her Origins and Development' by Dharmachari Purna. > > The article appears to seek some form of relationship between the > worship of Tara, and that of "Venus, Ishtar and Isis", something > which I believe to be true but have encountered voluble resistence > to, from certain apparently learned Buddhist quarters. > > Which brings me back to the subject of this posting - and I am now > able to say, with some justification, 'ji ha!' > > 'I bow at the lotus feet of Tara'. > > Thank you, > > m6 > > > > , "Demon King of Havoc" > <laroye2003> wrote: > > Om Nama Shivaya > > > > kirtan > > > > > > Shivãya Parameshvarãya > > shivãya parameshvarãya > > sasishekharãya nama om > > bhavãya gunasambhavãya > > shiva tãndavãya nama om > > > > shivãya parameshvarãya > > chandrashekharãya nama om > > bhavãya gunasambhavãya > > shiva tãndavãya nama om > > > > > > so I > > > believe in polarity. > > > > Jai! > > > > > > Om Vashaya Namaha > > > > > > I utterly reject the imbalance of monotheism, > > > and see it as one of the root causes of material misery and > > spiritual > > > impoverishment in much of the world today. > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > > > > Ya Devi Sarva Bhuteshu Shakti Rupena Samstita > > > > Namas Tas Yai Namotha > > > > Namo Namaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 Jai! My introduction to Tara was through a Buddhist context and this is totally new to me so it must be pre-Buddhist, and 3rd cent BC would corroborate that. Very cool, thanks for this info... Shanti, Ganesha Legba , "Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > I hope M6 and Laroye2003 don't mind me interrupting, but I cant > keep > my mind off of Tara and her scissor. I am not sure weather this is a > stupid question but I am going to ask M6 since he said that is a Tara > Bhakta. > > The dhyana mantra for Ugra Tara there is no mention of Scissor. Only > in the Tantrasara in her form as Nila Saraswati. If I am not mistaken > Tara is the only goddess carry a scissor. That is why I am fascinated > with this scissor that she is carrying. Does her dhyana mantra in the > Buddhist mentions of scissor, or it is only in the Hindu version. > > I got this from : The Story of Scissors" by J. Wiss & Sons, 1948: > > ""Egyptian bronze shears of the Third Century B.C., a unique > object > of art. Showing Greek influence although with decoration > characteristic of Nile culture, the shears are illustrative of the > high degree of craftsmanship which developed in the period following > Alexander's conquest of Egypt. Decorative male and female figures, > which complement each other on each blade, are formed by solid pieces > of metal of a different color inlaid in the bronze shears." > > Well I am aware of the symbolism of her Sword and > Scissors : "symbolizes her ability to cut through fetters that > binds > a person to ignorance and limited consciousness " etc etc. Why > does > Tara have a special tool : the scissor. > > > Another Star Goddess that was brought to my attention : Anahita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 , "Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > I hope M6 and Laroye2003 don't mind me interrupting, but I cant > keep > my mind off of Tara and her scissors. I am not sure whether this is a > stupid question but I am going to ask M6 since he said that he is a Tara > Bhakta. > > The dhyana mantra for Ugra Tara there are no mention of scissors. Only > in the Tantrasara in her form as Nila Saraswati. If I am not mistaken > Tara is the only goddess to carry scissors. That is why I am fascinated > with the scissors that she is carrying. Does her dhyana mantra in the > Buddhist (canon?) mention of scissors, or it is only in the Hindu version? > > I got this from : The Story of Scissors" by J. Wiss & Sons, 1948: > > ""Egyptian bronze shears of the Third Century B.C., a unique > object > of art. Showing Greek influence although with decoration > characteristic of Nile culture, the shears are illustrative of the > high degree of craftsmanship which developed in the period following > Alexander's conquest of Egypt. Decorative male and female figures, > which complement each other on each blade, are formed by solid pieces > of metal of a different color inlaid in the bronze shears." > > Well I am aware of the symbolism of her Sword and > Scissors : "symbolizes her ability to cut through fetters that > binds > a person to ignorance and limited consciousness " etc etc. Why > does > Tara have a special tool: scissors? Tara's scissors symbolise her ability to cut off all attachments. I have only ever encountered this attribute of Tara in the Hindu tradition. It is more likely - in this context - that Tara's sword symbolises Time, which is related to movement, in this case the movement of sound, the Divine Word A U M , which is Tara's seed- syllable, which is the Goddess herself. With regard to 3rd century bce scissors, there is apparent evidence for surgery in India attributed to the 6th century bce Shushruta 'Father of Surgery'. I am paraphrasing the pamphlet 'Understanding Hinduism' from the Shri Swaminarayan Mandir in London, which also shows an illusatration of a pair of rudimentary scissors. > > Another Star Goddess that was brought to my attention : Anahita. Persian Anahita appears to be yet another instance of the goddess associated with the Morning Star, with an interesting dual water symbolism, 'the Heavenly Spring ... the starry region' of her domain. Thank you for Anahita - Om Tara m6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > the movement of sound, the Divine Word A U M , which is Tara's seed- > syllable, which is the Goddess herself. Other 'bijas' or seed syllables for Tara include 'tam'. m6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 In the Lalitha Sahasranama # 20 Om tara-kanti-tiraskari-nasabharana bhasurayai Namah Interpreted : Salutations to Her with a nasal ornament set with a jewel that excels the brilliance of the planet Venus. Another interpretation : She Who Shines With A Nose-Ornament That Excels The Luster Of A Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Namaste, So the reference to 'tara' is interpreted as 'star' or 'Venus', please? m6 , "Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > In the Lalitha Sahasranama > > # 20 Om tara-kanti-tiraskari-nasabharana bhasurayai Namah > > Interpreted : Salutations to Her with a nasal ornament set with a > jewel that excels the brilliance of the planet Venus. > > Another interpretation : > She Who Shines With A Nose-Ornament That Excels The Luster Of A Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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