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laroye2003,

 

I can read very little Sanskrit, I am ashamed to admit.

 

In another life - and in a more enlightened culture - I would devote

myself to the study of all languages.

 

But still, your posting has led me - through the miracle of modern

technology - to 'The Western Buddhist Review', volume 2, and the

article, 'Tara: Her Origins and Development' by Dharmachari Purna.

 

The article appears to seek some form of relationship between the

worship of Tara, and that of "Venus, Ishtar and Isis", something

which I believe to be true but have encountered voluble resistence

to, from certain apparently learned Buddhist quarters.

 

Which brings me back to the subject of this posting - and I am now

able to say, with some justification, 'ji ha!'

 

'I bow at the lotus feet of Tara'.

 

Thank you,

 

m6

 

 

 

, "Demon King of Havoc"

<laroye2003> wrote:

> Om Nama Shivaya

>

> kirtan

>

>

> Shivãya Parameshvarãya

> shivãya parameshvarãya

> sasishekharãya nama om

> bhavãya gunasambhavãya

> shiva tãndavãya nama om

>

> shivãya parameshvarãya

> chandrashekharãya nama om

> bhavãya gunasambhavãya

> shiva tãndavãya nama om

>

>

> so I

> > believe in polarity.

>

> Jai!

>

>

> Om Vashaya Namaha

>

>

> I utterly reject the imbalance of monotheism,

> > and see it as one of the root causes of material misery and

> spiritual

> > impoverishment in much of the world today.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

>

>

> Ya Devi Sarva Bhuteshu Shakti Rupena Samstita

>

> Namas Tas Yai Namotha

>

> Namo Namaha

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I hope M6 and Laroye2003 don't mind me interrupting, but I cant

keep

my mind off of Tara and her scissor. I am not sure weather this is a

stupid question but I am going to ask M6 since he said that is a Tara

Bhakta.

 

The dhyana mantra for Ugra Tara there is no mention of Scissor. Only

in the Tantrasara in her form as Nila Saraswati. If I am not mistaken

Tara is the only goddess carry a scissor. That is why I am fascinated

with this scissor that she is carrying. Does her dhyana mantra in the

Buddhist mentions of scissor, or it is only in the Hindu version.

 

I got this from : The Story of Scissors" by J. Wiss & Sons, 1948:

 

""Egyptian bronze shears of the Third Century B.C., a unique

object

of art. Showing Greek influence although with decoration

characteristic of Nile culture, the shears are illustrative of the

high degree of craftsmanship which developed in the period following

Alexander's conquest of Egypt. Decorative male and female figures,

which complement each other on each blade, are formed by solid pieces

of metal of a different color inlaid in the bronze shears."

 

Well I am aware of the symbolism of her Sword and

Scissors : "symbolizes her ability to cut through fetters that

binds

a person to ignorance and limited consciousness " etc etc. Why

does

Tara have a special tool : the scissor.

 

 

Another Star Goddess that was brought to my attention : Anahita.

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I'm glad you returned to the original question of this discussion

since I have some very partially formed thoughts on this. Words are

so inadequate to express the mysteries of this but I would say:

 

The gods manifest themselves in different cultures in different ways

and take on attributes accordingly so I think

 

Yes Tara is Venus through a different ethnological context.

 

Jai

 

Ganesha Legba

 

 

 

, "m6" <megalith6@h...> wrote:

> laroye2003,

>

> I can read very little Sanskrit, I am ashamed to admit.

>

> In another life - and in a more enlightened culture - I would

devote

> myself to the study of all languages.

>

> But still, your posting has led me - through the miracle of modern

> technology - to 'The Western Buddhist Review', volume 2, and the

> article, 'Tara: Her Origins and Development' by Dharmachari Purna.

>

> The article appears to seek some form of relationship between the

> worship of Tara, and that of "Venus, Ishtar and Isis", something

> which I believe to be true but have encountered voluble resistence

> to, from certain apparently learned Buddhist quarters.

>

> Which brings me back to the subject of this posting - and I am now

> able to say, with some justification, 'ji ha!'

>

> 'I bow at the lotus feet of Tara'.

>

> Thank you,

>

> m6

>

>

>

> , "Demon King of Havoc"

> <laroye2003> wrote:

> > Om Nama Shivaya

> >

> > kirtan

> >

> >

> > Shivãya Parameshvarãya

> > shivãya parameshvarãya

> > sasishekharãya nama om

> > bhavãya gunasambhavãya

> > shiva tãndavãya nama om

> >

> > shivãya parameshvarãya

> > chandrashekharãya nama om

> > bhavãya gunasambhavãya

> > shiva tãndavãya nama om

> >

> >

> > so I

> > > believe in polarity.

> >

> > Jai!

> >

> >

> > Om Vashaya Namaha

> >

> >

> > I utterly reject the imbalance of monotheism,

> > > and see it as one of the root causes of material misery and

> > spiritual

> > > impoverishment in much of the world today.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > >

> >

> >

> > Ya Devi Sarva Bhuteshu Shakti Rupena Samstita

> >

> > Namas Tas Yai Namotha

> >

> > Namo Namaha

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Jai!

 

My introduction to Tara was through a Buddhist context and this is

totally new to me so it must be pre-Buddhist, and 3rd cent BC would

corroborate that. Very cool, thanks for this info...

 

Shanti,

 

Ganesha Legba

 

 

 

, "Nora"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> I hope M6 and Laroye2003 don't mind me interrupting, but I cant

> keep

> my mind off of Tara and her scissor. I am not sure weather this is

a

> stupid question but I am going to ask M6 since he said that is a

Tara

> Bhakta.

>

> The dhyana mantra for Ugra Tara there is no mention of Scissor.

Only

> in the Tantrasara in her form as Nila Saraswati. If I am not

mistaken

> Tara is the only goddess carry a scissor. That is why I am

fascinated

> with this scissor that she is carrying. Does her dhyana mantra in

the

> Buddhist mentions of scissor, or it is only in the Hindu version.

>

> I got this from : The Story of Scissors" by J. Wiss & Sons, 1948:

>

> ""Egyptian bronze shears of the Third Century B.C., a unique

> object

> of art. Showing Greek influence although with decoration

> characteristic of Nile culture, the shears are illustrative of the

> high degree of craftsmanship which developed in the period

following

> Alexander's conquest of Egypt. Decorative male and female figures,

> which complement each other on each blade, are formed by solid

pieces

> of metal of a different color inlaid in the bronze shears."

>

> Well I am aware of the symbolism of her Sword and

> Scissors : "symbolizes her ability to cut through fetters that

> binds

> a person to ignorance and limited consciousness " etc etc. Why

> does

> Tara have a special tool : the scissor.

>

>

> Another Star Goddess that was brought to my attention : Anahita.

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, "Nora"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> I hope M6 and Laroye2003 don't mind me interrupting, but I cant

> keep

> my mind off of Tara and her scissors. I am not sure whether this is

a

> stupid question but I am going to ask M6 since he said that he is a

Tara

> Bhakta.

>

> The dhyana mantra for Ugra Tara there are no mention of scissors.

Only

> in the Tantrasara in her form as Nila Saraswati. If I am not

mistaken

> Tara is the only goddess to carry scissors. That is why I am

fascinated

> with the scissors that she is carrying. Does her dhyana mantra in

the

> Buddhist (canon?) mention of scissors, or it is only in the Hindu

version?

>

> I got this from : The Story of Scissors" by J. Wiss & Sons, 1948:

>

> ""Egyptian bronze shears of the Third Century B.C., a unique

> object

> of art. Showing Greek influence although with decoration

> characteristic of Nile culture, the shears are illustrative of the

> high degree of craftsmanship which developed in the period

following

> Alexander's conquest of Egypt. Decorative male and female figures,

> which complement each other on each blade, are formed by solid

pieces

> of metal of a different color inlaid in the bronze shears."

>

> Well I am aware of the symbolism of her Sword and

> Scissors : "symbolizes her ability to cut through fetters that

> binds

> a person to ignorance and limited consciousness " etc etc. Why

> does

> Tara have a special tool: scissors?

 

Tara's scissors symbolise her ability to cut off all attachments. I

have only ever encountered this attribute of Tara in the Hindu

tradition.

 

It is more likely - in this context - that Tara's sword symbolises

Time, which is related to movement, in this case

the movement of sound, the Divine Word A U M , which is Tara's seed-

syllable, which is the Goddess herself.

 

With regard to 3rd century bce scissors, there is apparent evidence

for surgery in India attributed to the 6th century bce

Shushruta 'Father of Surgery'. I am paraphrasing the

pamphlet 'Understanding Hinduism' from the Shri Swaminarayan Mandir

in London, which also shows an illusatration of a pair of rudimentary

scissors.

>

> Another Star Goddess that was brought to my attention : Anahita.

 

Persian Anahita appears to be yet another instance of the goddess

associated with the Morning Star, with an interesting dual water

symbolism, 'the Heavenly Spring ... the starry region' of her domain.

 

Thank you for Anahita -

 

Om Tara

 

m6

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> the movement of sound, the Divine Word A U M , which is Tara's

seed-

> syllable, which is the Goddess herself.

 

Other 'bijas' or seed syllables for Tara include 'tam'.

 

m6

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In the Lalitha Sahasranama

 

# 20 Om tara-kanti-tiraskari-nasabharana bhasurayai Namah

 

Interpreted : Salutations to Her with a nasal ornament set with a

jewel that excels the brilliance of the planet Venus.

 

Another interpretation :

She Who Shines With A Nose-Ornament That Excels The Luster Of A Star

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Namaste,

 

So the reference to 'tara' is interpreted as 'star' or 'Venus',

please?

 

m6

 

 

, "Nora"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> In the Lalitha Sahasranama

>

> # 20 Om tara-kanti-tiraskari-nasabharana bhasurayai Namah

>

> Interpreted : Salutations to Her with a nasal ornament set with a

> jewel that excels the brilliance of the planet Venus.

>

> Another interpretation :

> She Who Shines With A Nose-Ornament That Excels The Luster Of A Star

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