Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 OM Devi Bhakta Thanks for you explanation of Durga. "The goad is the unpleasant pokes and prods She occasionally delivers- - material misfortune, illness, death, adversity -- that make us look beyond Maya for more permanent and absolute forms of pleasure and fulfillment; little pushes toward Moksha." "Unpleasant pokes and prods" describes some of the events of my life over the past week and I thank you for the perspective. I had come to the same conclusion that these events are intended to bring me back to a Moksha path but it is good to see it in print from a respected third party. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote: > *** Why is Durga referred to both as the Reliever of Difficulties, > then the difficulties themselves? *** > > Because She is Everything. That is why, in many paintings and > scullptures of Devi in Her various forms, She holds both a noose and > a goad. (See, for example, the image of Sarvambikesha at the top of > our homepage: http://www.shaktisadhana.org). > > The noose is the Maya -- the sensations and experiences, sights and > sounds of the material world, which can bring us great pleasure and > fulfillment in this life, but which can easily become traps if we > allow ourselves to become too attached to and identified with them. > > The goad is the unpleasant pokes and prods She occasionally delivers - > - material misfortune, illness, death, adversity -- that make us look > beyond Maya for more permanent and absolute forms of pleasure and > fulfillment; little pushes toward Moksha. > > Thus She is both the nature of what we perceive as difficulties, and > the essence of that which ultimately relieves these difficulties. > That would be my answer, at least; others may offer more useful > interpretations and elaborations. > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > > , "prainbow61" <paulie- > rainbow@u...> wrote: > > Why is Durga referred to both as the Reliever of Difficulties, then > > the difficulties themselves? > > > > prainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Blessings Omprem, Good to see you post again. I, too, have had a very difficult time recently. It is difficult to focus on moksha when consumed by fear. I am trying to trust Devi, but I am struggling with this. Always nice to hear that others are also grappling along the path of faith. It's less lonely that way, I think. prainbow , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > OM Devi Bhakta > > Thanks for you explanation of Durga. > > "The goad is the unpleasant pokes and prods She occasionally > delivers- - material misfortune, illness, death, adversity -- that > make us look beyond Maya for more permanent and absolute > forms of pleasure and fulfillment; little pushes toward Moksha." > > "Unpleasant pokes and prods" describes some of the events of > my life over the past week and I thank you for the perspective. I > had come to the same conclusion that these events are > intended to bring me back to a Moksha path but it is good to see > it in print from a respected third party. > > OM Namah Sivaya > > Omprem > > > , "Devi Bhakta" > <devi_bhakta> wrote: > > *** Why is Durga referred to both as the Reliever of Difficulties, > > then the difficulties themselves? *** > > > > Because She is Everything. That is why, in many paintings and > > scullptures of Devi in Her various forms, She holds both a > noose and > > a goad. (See, for example, the image of Sarvambikesha at the > top of > > our homepage: http://www.shaktisadhana.org). > > > > The noose is the Maya -- the sensations and experiences, > sights and > > sounds of the material world, which can bring us great > pleasure and > > fulfillment in this life, but which can easily become traps if we > > allow ourselves to become too attached to and identified with > them. > > > > The goad is the unpleasant pokes and prods She occasionally > delivers - > > - material misfortune, illness, death, adversity -- that make us > look > > beyond Maya for more permanent and absolute forms of > pleasure and > > fulfillment; little pushes toward Moksha. > > > > Thus She is both the nature of what we perceive as difficulties, > and > > the essence of that which ultimately relieves these difficulties. > > That would be my answer, at least; others may offer more > useful > > interpretations and elaborations. > > > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > > > > > , "prainbow61" > <paulie- > > rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > Why is Durga referred to both as the Reliever of Difficulties, > then > > > the difficulties themselves? > > > > > > prainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 OM Namah Sivaya, Prainbow All those "unpleasant pokes and prods" from Durga's goad can be more than unpleasant. They can bring pain and loss and insecurity with no obvious way to move "beyond Maya for more permanent and absolute forms of pleasure and fulfillment". The difficulty, it seems to me, is to see beyond the surface of a situation or interaction and see the Divinity in the situation or person as well as in yourself. No small task, of course, and one at which we are constantly fail. Perhaps, 'fail' is too strong a word. It may be better to view those 'failures' as refinements of our consciousness and will. But, oh, how the senses and the ego resist being refined. Yes, it is comforting for us to be reminded that we are not the only person in the world to experience the pain of error or the pain of death. Good luck in your life and your path. It is good to be amongst friends OM Namah Sivaya Omprem , "prainbow61" <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > Blessings Omprem, > > Good to see you post again. > > I, too, have had a very difficult time recently. It is difficult to > focus on moksha when consumed by fear. > > I am trying to trust Devi, but I am struggling with this. Always nice > to hear that others are also grappling along the path of faith. > > It's less lonely that way, I think. > > prainbow > > > , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > OM Devi Bhakta > > > > Thanks for you explanation of Durga. > > > > "The goad is the unpleasant pokes and prods She occasionally > > delivers- - material misfortune, illness, death, adversity -- that > > make us look beyond Maya for more permanent and absolute > > forms of pleasure and fulfillment; little pushes toward Moksha." > > > > "Unpleasant pokes and prods" describes some of the events of > > my life over the past week and I thank you for the perspective. I > > had come to the same conclusion that these events are > > intended to bring me back to a Moksha path but it is good to see > > it in print from a respected third party. > > > > OM Namah Sivaya > > > > Omprem > > > > > > , "Devi Bhakta" > > <devi_bhakta> wrote: > > > *** Why is Durga referred to both as the Reliever of Difficulties, > > > then the difficulties themselves? *** > > > > > > Because She is Everything. That is why, in many paintings and > > > scullptures of Devi in Her various forms, She holds both a > > noose and > > > a goad. (See, for example, the image of Sarvambikesha at the > > top of > > > our homepage: http://www.shaktisadhana.org). > > > > > > The noose is the Maya -- the sensations and experiences, > > sights and > > > sounds of the material world, which can bring us great > > pleasure and > > > fulfillment in this life, but which can easily become traps if we > > > allow ourselves to become too attached to and identified with > > them. > > > > > > The goad is the unpleasant pokes and prods She occasionally > > delivers - > > > - material misfortune, illness, death, adversity -- that make us > > look > > > beyond Maya for more permanent and absolute forms of > > pleasure and > > > fulfillment; little pushes toward Moksha. > > > > > > Thus She is both the nature of what we perceive as difficulties, > > and > > > the essence of that which ultimately relieves these difficulties. > > > That would be my answer, at least; others may offer more > > useful > > > interpretations and elaborations. > > > > > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > > > > > > > > , "prainbow61" > > <paulie- > > > rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > > Why is Durga referred to both as the Reliever of Difficulties, > > then > > > > the difficulties themselves? > > > > > > > > prainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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