Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 What's that prayer? I heard it before but now I can't remember and I heard it just now in some music ... What do the words mean? Am i spelling it right ? Peace, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Om Mani Padme Hum Basically translated means "The Jewel in the Lotus". This is sexual symbolism, like the Shivalingam - same thing, different way of looking at it, that's all. Tantra . . . Om Mani Padme Hum m6 , TheaPoetika@a... wrote: > What's that prayer? > I heard it before but now I can't remember and I heard it just now in some > music ... > What do the words mean? Am i spelling it right ? > > Peace, > Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Hmmm. Ok. I did see that on the internet as you say. But now I have this James Twyman CD that was given to me and it is used so it doesn't have the cd jacket anymore and I don't have the lyrics or explantions or titles to the songs, and one is kinda like a gregorian chant style except the words are hard to make out but it sounds like they are saying Hum Om Madhme Padhme. Will play it again and listen more closely to see if I can discern the real words. I wonder what it means ! Thanks for the infor. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 4/26/03 12:58:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time, megalith6 writes: > Om Mani Padme Hum > > Basically translated means "The Jewel in the Lotus". > > This is sexual symbolism, like the Shivalingam - same thing, > different way of looking at it, that's all. > > Tantra . . . > > Om Mani Padme Hum > > m6 > > > , TheaPoetika@a... wrote: > > What's that prayer? > > I heard it before but now I can't remember and I heard it just now > in some > > music ... > > What do the words mean? Am i spelling it right ? > > > > Peace, > > Cathie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 "Om" is the Cosmic Sound which begins most mantras. By chanting it one attunes oneself to the universe and gains the attention of the Gods. "Mani" means <jewel> or <gemstone>. "Padme" means <to the lotus> or <in the lotus>. "Hum" is the mantric armor -- it protects and defends the chanter. "Om Mani Padme Hum" is the most widely-known and often used mantra in Tibet. It is sacred to Chenresig, the Bodhisattva of Compassion. Chanting it opens the heart, warms the body, and stimulates sympathy. Each of its six syllables releases souls from reincarnation in one of the Six Realms (Hell, Hungry-Ghost, Animal, Human, Jealous Gods, and Devas). "The Jewel is in the Lotus" has almost infinite interpretations, including "the Soul is clad with the Body," "the Divine is disguised as the Mundane,the Immortal manifests as the Ephemeral,""the Fragile is Unbreakable within," and so forth. Implying that it only means "the Penis is in the Vagina" does not do it justice. (And Tantra is not just about boinking!) -- Len/ Kalipadma On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:57:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6 writes: > Om Mani Padme Hum > > Basically translated means "The Jewel in the Lotus". > > This is sexual symbolism, like the Shivalingam - same thing, > different way of looking at it, that's all. > > Tantra . . . > ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 Dear Len: Thank you for offering your further definition of the phrase posted by Theapoetica. If you have any commentary on the following, I would be interested in hearing it. I have recently been formulating a theory that each human being is both male and female, regardless of the outer manifestation of the body. "The jewel is in the lotus" actually supports this idea rather than necessarily standing for heterosexual sex relations. And the yonilingam supports this idea, too. I guess it could also work to say, as spiritual teachings supposedly do say, that the spirit is neither male nor female. However, outwardly, in the world, since there are power dynamics that do not fully respect each gender in its totality unto itself, I think it is more valuable to claim both genders are within. This can ultimately lead to better treatment of all in the outer world. Re tantra: I have heard that a traditional view is that homosexual (sex) relations can't be tantric because there isn't the requisite male and female present. To my thinking, this approach fails to recognize the wholeness of the life energies of human being, and limits each person to her or his body only, which includes the cultural proscriptions/notions of what a person in a male or female body is supposed to be and do. If anyone in Shakti Sadhana knows of tantric writings that recognize and validate the total and complete life energies of the participants rather than limiting the tantric participants to traditional roles, I would appreciate it if you would post info about the writings, or e-mail me individually if you prefer. Thanks in advance. -- Mary Ann , Black Lotus L Rosenberg <kalipadma@j...> wrote: > > > "The Jewel is in the Lotus" has almost infinite interpretations, > including "the Soul is clad with the Body," "the Divine is disguised as > the Mundane,the Immortal manifests as the Ephemeral,""the Fragile is > Unbreakable within," and so forth. > > Implying that it only means "the Penis is in the Vagina" does not do it > justice. > > (And Tantra is not just about boinking!) > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:57:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6@h...> writes: > > Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > Basically translated means "The Jewel in the Lotus". > > > > This is sexual symbolism, like the Shivalingam - same thing, > > different way of looking at it, that's all. > > > > Tantra . . . > > > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 - "Black Lotus L Rosenberg" <kalipadma <> Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:57 AM Re: Re: Hum Om Madhme Padhme ??? Question > > "Om" is the Cosmic Sound which begins most mantras. By chanting it one > attunes oneself to the universe and gains the attention of the Gods. > > "Mani" means <jewel> or <gemstone>. > > "Padme" means <to the lotus> or <in the lotus>. > > "Hum" is the mantric armor -- it protects and defends the chanter. > > "Om Mani Padme Hum" is the most widely-known and often used mantra in > Tibet. It is sacred to Chenresig, the Bodhisattva of Compassion. > Chanting it opens the heart, warms the body, and stimulates sympathy. > Each of its six syllables releases souls from reincarnation in one of the > Six Realms (Hell, Hungry-Ghost, Animal, Human, Jealous Gods, and Devas). > > "The Jewel is in the Lotus" has almost infinite interpretations, > including "the Soul is clad with the Body," "the Divine is disguised as > the Mundane,the Immortal manifests as the Ephemeral,""the Fragile is > Unbreakable within," and so forth. > > Implying that it only means "the Penis is in the Vagina" does not do it > justice. > > (And Tantra is not just about boinking!) > > -- Len/ Kalipadma well said Oh child of a good family ! If I may suggest to all those who have an interest in chanting this mantra to read Lama Anagarika Govinda's book : "The Foundations of Tibetan mysticism" which explain along its 600 pages the various meanings of this mantra. my 2 cents of the day ! Tashi delegs, Thubten Wangchuk aka Roger Garin-Michaud from Saint-Priest near Lyon France Buddhist bibliography : http://www.cyberdistributeur.com/buddbib.html Hindu bibliography : http://www.cyberdistributeur.com/hindbib1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 , Black Lotus L Rosenberg <kalipadma@j...> wrote: > > "Om" is the Cosmic Sound which begins most mantras. By chanting it one > attunes oneself to the universe and gains the attention of the Gods. > > "Mani" means <jewel> or <gemstone>. > > "Padme" means <to the lotus> or <in the lotus>. > > "Hum" is the mantric armor -- it protects and defends the chanter. > > "Om Mani Padme Hum" is the most widely-known and often used mantra in > Tibet. It is sacred to Chenresig, the Bodhisattva of Compassion. > Chanting it opens the heart, warms the body, and stimulates sympathy. > Each of its six syllables releases souls from reincarnation in one of the > Six Realms (Hell, Hungry-Ghost, Animal, Human, Jealous Gods, and Devas). > > "The Jewel is in the Lotus" has almost infinite interpretations, > including "the Soul is clad with the Body," "the Divine is disguised as > the Mundane,the Immortal manifests as the Ephemeral,""the Fragile is > Unbreakable within," and so forth. > > Implying that it only means "the Penis is in the Vagina" does not do it > justice. > > (And Tantra is not just about boinking!) Quite so - a most limited way of conceiving the infinite nature of the universe. Justice: well that depends on how you view sex - I see it as a sacred rite. Om Mani Padme Hum m6 > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:57:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6@h...> writes: > > Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > Basically translated means "The Jewel in the Lotus". > > > > This is sexual symbolism, like the Shivalingam - same thing, > > different way of looking at it, that's all. > > > > Tantra . . . > > > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 Namaste, You can get there on your own Kundalini Yoga or you can get there with another person [Tantra]. The concept that individuals contain an aspect of their complementary gender can be found also in Western psychology, as with C G Jung's 'anima' and 'animus' theory; the concept is also implicit within the Taoist seal of Greater Heaven, the Yin and the Yang. Most Chakra systems will show a God and Goddess inhabiting each individual Chakra: quite regardless of whether you are a boy or a girl. Ultimately there are no categories, ultimately there is but bliss - Nirvana Moksha Beatitude Om , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Dear Len: Thank you for offering your further definition of the > phrase posted by Theapoetica. If you have any commentary on > the following, I would be interested in hearing it. I have recently > been formulating a theory that each human being is both male > and female, regardless of the outer manifestation of the body. > "The jewel is in the lotus" actually supports this idea rather than > necessarily standing for heterosexual sex relations. And the > yonilingam supports this idea, too. I guess it could also work to > say, as spiritual teachings supposedly do say, that the spirit is > neither male nor female. However, outwardly, in the world, since > there are power dynamics that do not fully respect each gender > in its totality unto itself, I think it is more valuable to claim both > genders are within. This can ultimately lead to better treatment of > all in the outer world. > > Re tantra: I have heard that a traditional view is that homosexual > (sex) relations can't be tantric because there isn't the requisite > male and female present. To my thinking, this approach fails to > recognize the wholeness of the life energies of human being, > and limits each person to her or his body only, which includes > the cultural proscriptions/notions of what a person in a male or > female body is supposed to be and do. > > If anyone in Shakti Sadhana knows of tantric writings that > recognize and validate the total and complete life energies of the > participants rather than limiting the tantric participants to > traditional roles, I would appreciate it if you would post info about > the writings, or e-mail me individually if you prefer. Thanks in > advance. > > -- Mary Ann > > , Black Lotus L > Rosenberg <kalipadma@j...> wrote: > > > > > > "The Jewel is in the Lotus" has almost infinite interpretations, > > including "the Soul is clad with the Body," "the Divine is > disguised as > > the Mundane,the Immortal manifests as the Ephemeral,""the > Fragile is > > Unbreakable within," and so forth. > > > > Implying that it only means "the Penis is in the Vagina" does > not do it > > justice. > > > > (And Tantra is not just about boinking!) > > > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:57:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6@h...> > writes: > > > Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > > > Basically translated means "The Jewel in the Lotus". > > > > > > This is sexual symbolism, like the Shivalingam - same thing, > > > different way of looking at it, that's all. > > > > > > Tantra . . . > > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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