Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Athayoganushasanam: Now the discipline of Yoga. Each single word has to be understood, because Patanjali will not use a single superfluous word. Now the discipline of Yoga.... First try to understand the word "now." This "now" is an indication to the state of mind I was just talking to you about. If you are disillusioned, if you are hopeless, if you have completely become aware of the futility of all desires; if you see your life as meaningless; whatsoever you have been doing up to now has simply fallen dead…. Nothing remains in the future, you are in absolute despair -- what Kierkegaard calls anguish -- you are in anguish, suffering…. Not knowing what to do, not knowing where to go, not knowing to whom to turn, just on the verge of madness or suicide or death, your whole pattern of life has suddenly become futile…. If this moment has come, Patanjali says, "Now the discipline of Yoga" -- only now can you understand the science of Yoga, the discipline of Yoga. If that moment has not come you can go on studying Yoga: you can become a great scholar but you will not be a yogi. You can write theses on it, you can give discourses on it, but you will not be a yogi. The moment has not come for you. Intellectually you can become interested, through your mind you can be related to Yoga, but Yoga is nothing if it is not a discipline. Yoga is not a shastra; it is not a scripture. It is a discipline, it is something you have to do. It is not curiosity, it is not philosophical speculation. It is deeper than that -- it is a question of life and death. If the moment has come when you feel that all directions have become confused, all roads have disappeared, the future is dark and every desire has become bitter and through every desire you have known only disappointment, all movement into hopes and dreams has ceased: Now the discipline of Yoga. This "now" may not have come. Then I may go on talking about Yoga but you will not listen. You can listen only if the moment is present in you. Are you really dissatisfied? Everybody will say yes, but that dissatisfaction is not real. You are dissatisfied with this, you may be dissatisfied with that, but you are not totally dissatisfied. You are still hoping. You are dissatisfied because of your past hopes but you are still hoping for the future. Your dissatisfaction is not total: you are still hankering for some satisfaction somewhere, for some gratification somewhere. Sometimes you feel hopeless but that hopelessness is not true. You feel hopeless because certain hopes have not been achieved, certain hopes have fallen away -- but hoping is still there, hoping has not fallen away. You will still hope. You are dissatisfied with this hope, that hope, but you are not dissatisfied with hope as such. If you are disappointed with hope as such the moment has come, and then you can enter Yoga. And then this entry will not be an entering into a mental, speculative phenomenon. This entry will be an entry into a discipline. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 OM Friends of Osho Most knowledgeable commentators on the Raja Yoga Sutras of Patanjali translate "atha yoganusasanam" as "Here begins the authoritative instruction on Yoga" or "Now Yoga is explained" These sutras will be listened to with a disciplined intellect and then implemented with a disciplined will, mind and body. Yoga is union with God. Yes, that union requires the end of a speculative mind-set and the adoption of more intuitive means of entering into union with the Divine, but, it first takes discipline and rationality to prepare and purify the student, before the student is capable of entering samadhi. The student must master the Yamas and Niyamas in thought, word and deed, especially as applied to himself or herself. Then, the student must master Asana and Pranayama - the ability to remain unperturbed under all circumstances and to control Prana. Then, the student must turn the senses inward and renounce desire - Pratyahara. The student must develop concentration (on God). Finally, the student is ready for meditation and samadhi. Suffering and hopelessness are useful only if they lead to the aspirant's giving up reliance on his or her own resources and instead relying on God and Guru and placing themselves in the hands of God and Guru. This act of renouncing the ego is the key to God Realization. One doesn't necessarily have to be overwhelmed with suffering and hopelessness for this renunciation of ego to take place. Souls of high evolution do this more easily with each birth. Om Namah Sivaya Omprem , Friends of Osho <supraath> wrote: > > Athayoganushasanam: Now the discipline of Yoga. > > Each single word has to be understood, because Patanjali will not use a single superfluous word. > > Now the discipline of Yoga.... First try to understand the word "now." This "now" is an indication to the state of mind I was just talking to you about. > > If you are disillusioned, if you are hopeless, if you have completely become aware of the futility of all desires; if you see your life as meaningless; whatsoever you have been doing up to now has simply fallen dead…. Nothing remains in the future, you are in absolute despair -- what Kierkegaard calls anguish -- you are in anguish, suffering…. Not knowing what to do, not knowing where to go, not knowing to whom to turn, just on the verge of madness or suicide or death, your whole pattern of life has suddenly become futile…. If this moment has come, Patanjali says, "Now the discipline of Yoga" -- only now can you understand the science of Yoga, the discipline of Yoga. > > If that moment has not come you can go on studying Yoga: you can become a great scholar but you will not be a yogi. You can write theses on it, you can give discourses on it, but you will not be a yogi. The moment has not come for you. Intellectually you can become interested, through your mind you can be related to Yoga, but Yoga is nothing if it is not a discipline. Yoga is not a shastra; it is not a scripture. It is a discipline, it is something you have to do. It is not curiosity, it is not philosophical speculation. It is deeper than that -- it is a question of life and death. > > If the moment has come when you feel that all directions have become confused, all roads have disappeared, the future is dark and every desire has become bitter and through every desire you have known only disappointment, all movement into hopes and dreams has ceased: Now the discipline of Yoga. > > This "now" may not have come. Then I may go on talking about Yoga but you will not listen. You can listen only if the moment is present in you. Are you really dissatisfied? Everybody will say yes, but that dissatisfaction is not real. You are dissatisfied with this, you may be dissatisfied with that, but you are not totally dissatisfied. You are still hoping. You are dissatisfied because of your past hopes but you are still hoping for the future. Your dissatisfaction is not total: you are still hankering for some satisfaction somewhere, for some gratification somewhere. > > Sometimes you feel hopeless but that hopelessness is not true. You feel hopeless because certain hopes have not been achieved, certain hopes have fallen away -- but hoping is still there, hoping has not fallen away. You will still hope. You are dissatisfied with this hope, that hope, but you are not dissatisfied with hope as such. If you are disappointed with hope as such the moment has come, and then you can enter Yoga. And then this entry will not be an entering into a mental, speculative phenomenon. This entry will be an entry into a discipline. > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 You are very correct and the interpretation given for 'Now' was completely wrong. I hope the commentator will take note of your words. Nothing more to say in this regard as any advise may not be taken in the right spirit. chandra hari omprem <omprem wrote:OM Friends of Osho Most knowledgeable commentators on the Raja Yoga Sutras of Patanjali translate "atha yoganusasanam" as "Here begins the authoritative instruction on Yoga" or "Now Yoga is explained" These sutras will be listened to with a disciplined intellect and then implemented with a disciplined will, mind and body. Yoga is union with God. Yes, that union requires the end of a speculative mind-set and the adoption of more intuitive means of entering into union with the Divine, but, it first takes discipline and rationality to prepare and purify the student, before the student is capable of entering samadhi. The student must master the Yamas and Niyamas in thought, word and deed, especially as applied to himself or herself. Then, the student must master Asana and Pranayama - the ability to remain unperturbed under all circumstances and to control Prana. Then, the student must turn the senses inward and renounce desire - Pratyahara. The student must develop concentration (on God). Finally, the student is ready for meditation and samadhi. Suffering and hopelessness are useful only if they lead to the aspirant's giving up reliance on his or her own resources and instead relying on God and Guru and placing themselves in the hands of God and Guru. This act of renouncing the ego is the key to God Realization. One doesn't necessarily have to be overwhelmed with suffering and hopelessness for this renunciation of ego to take place. Souls of high evolution do this more easily with each birth. Om Namah Sivaya Omprem , Friends of Osho <supraath> wrote: > > Athayoganushasanam: Now the discipline of Yoga. > > Each single word has to be understood, because Patanjali will not use a single superfluous word. > > Now the discipline of Yoga.... First try to understand the word "now." This "now" is an indication to the state of mind I was just talking to you about. > > If you are disillusioned, if you are hopeless, if you have completely become aware of the futility of all desires; if you see your life as meaningless; whatsoever you have been doing up to now has simply fallen dead…. Nothing remains in the future, you are in absolute despair -- what Kierkegaard calls anguish -- you are in anguish, suffering…. Not knowing what to do, not knowing where to go, not knowing to whom to turn, just on the verge of madness or suicide or death, your whole pattern of life has suddenly become futile…. If this moment has come, Patanjali says, "Now the discipline of Yoga" -- only now can you understand the science of Yoga, the discipline of Yoga. > > If that moment has not come you can go on studying Yoga: you can become a great scholar but you will not be a yogi. You can write theses on it, you can give discourses on it, but you will not be a yogi. The moment has not come for you. Intellectually you can become interested, through your mind you can be related to Yoga, but Yoga is nothing if it is not a discipline. Yoga is not a shastra; it is not a scripture. It is a discipline, it is something you have to do. It is not curiosity, it is not philosophical speculation. It is deeper than that -- it is a question of life and death. > > If the moment has come when you feel that all directions have become confused, all roads have disappeared, the future is dark and every desire has become bitter and through every desire you have known only disappointment, all movement into hopes and dreams has ceased: Now the discipline of Yoga. > > This "now" may not have come. Then I may go on talking about Yoga but you will not listen. You can listen only if the moment is present in you. Are you really dissatisfied? Everybody will say yes, but that dissatisfaction is not real. You are dissatisfied with this, you may be dissatisfied with that, but you are not totally dissatisfied. You are still hoping. You are dissatisfied because of your past hopes but you are still hoping for the future. Your dissatisfaction is not total: you are still hankering for some satisfaction somewhere, for some gratification somewhere. > > Sometimes you feel hopeless but that hopelessness is not true. You feel hopeless because certain hopes have not been achieved, certain hopes have fallen away -- but hoping is still there, hoping has not fallen away. You will still hope. You are dissatisfied with this hope, that hope, but you are not dissatisfied with hope as such. If you are disappointed with hope as such the moment has come, and then you can enter Yoga. And then this entry will not be an entering into a mental, speculative phenomenon. This entry will be an entry into a discipline. > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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