Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Namaste, and thank you for your comments. I am familiar with Jung's anima/animus ideas, and I recognize their relation to my idea of male and female within. I think the concepts of anima/animus, and yin and yang, are just that -- too conceptual, and that it may be more helpful for people to stop projecting qualities of being upon male or female, which turns into sex role stereotyping, and prevents identification/recognition of the one in the other, and keeps the one seeking the other in a compulsive way. I even think it's incorrect to type Shiva as inactive and Shakti as active. Although that looks like a role reversal from the Western view, it has still wound up creating unhealthy imbalance in society, which is a reflection /creation of its individuals and their relationships. Knowing that the jewel is in the lotus already, within oneself, can be very freeing, speaking from personal experience: it is freeing for me. This way, no sex role stereotyping and dogma about human behavior around love and sex needs to be created and enforced. Regarding kundalini yoga: is it possible to experience the same things one experiences in kundalini yoga in hatha yoga? And does tantra necessarily mean working with another? I guess I have thought that the energy of kundalini can be active in all yoga, and in being, whether alone, or with another, if the person or people are present to, or cognizant of, the energy. These thoughts are on my mind due to things going on in my own life, and also, due to something recently in the news other than the war with Iraq. I am including information below on this news of another kind of war -- a war on bliss: GOP defends Ayatollah Santorum If the president truly believes the Pennsylvania zealot is "an inclusive man," we're all in trouble. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Joan Walsh April 26, 2003 | It took a few days, but finally President Bush came to the defense of Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who's been hammered by Democrats and a few brave Republicans for equating homosexuality with bigamy, polygamy, incest and adultery in an Associated Press interview. Since the story broke Monday, there's been official silence from the White House, but on Friday Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters, "The president believes that the senator is an inclusive man. ... The president has confidence in Sen. Santorum and thinks he's doing a good job as senator -- including in his leadership post." Well, now we know. Calling Santorum an "inclusive man" is about as truthful as calling Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon a "man of peace" -- even Sharon's admirers know he's a warrior. But being president makes you very powerful, and means you're almost never called a liar, even when you're lying. There is nothing inclusive about Rick Santorum, who, as chairman of the Republican Conference, is the GOP's No. 3 Senate leader. He is a right-wing extremist who has more in common with fanatical Islamic fundamentalists than with many Americans. The president's failure to repudiate him or his remarks is appalling -- and in the long run, it will cost him politically. I agree with Andrew Sullivan, a stalwart Bush defender who nonetheless wrote on Friday, with evident pain: "The White House still doesn't understand the damage that this incident is doing, the fact that it is beginning to make it simply impossible for gay people and their families -- or any tolerant person -- to vote for the president's party." The full text of Santorum's remarks should give all Americans the creeps -- and not only when he grossed out the AP reporter by talking about "man on dog" sex. "I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about 'man on dog' with a United States senator, it's sort of freaking me out," she told him. I bet. (Sometimes I wonder about the inner life of these anti-sex fanatics. Why do I suspect Santorum's spent more time thinking about "man on dog" sex than the rest of us?) Let's be clear: Santorum wasn't just talking about gays; he was expressly denying that Americans have a right to privacy. Talking about a Texas sodomy law currently before the Supreme Court, he went on at great length: "The right to privacy is a right that was created in a law that set forth a [ban on] rights to limit individual passions. And I don't agree with that ... Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution, this right that was created, it was created in Griswold -- Griswold was the contraceptive case -- and abortion. And now we're just extending it out. And the further you extend it out, the more you -- this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family. You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong, healthy families. Whether it's polygamy, whether it's adultery, where it's sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family." Sullivan has correctly asked whether that means Santorum wants to criminalize adultery. It's a good question. And contraception too? The Pennsylvania ayatollah has refused to retract his remarks. He insists he's not against homosexuals, only "homosexual acts." But despite Santorum's radical statements, Republicans have proudly told reporters there will be no rerun of the Trent Lott debacle, in which the Senate majority leader was sacked for publicly admiring Strom Thurmond's racist presidential campaign last December. Why? For one thing, Lott got thrown overboard less because his GOP colleagues cared about his racism than because they thought he was a liability who wasn't loyal enough to Bush, had made a lot of enemies and cut too many deals with Democrats. Santorum's a company man, so everybody got the talking points: Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, like Fleischer, calls him "a man of inclusion." Actually, most Republicans got the no-talking points: The White House and Republican National Committee have advised Republicans not to comment on Santorum's outrageous remarks when asked about them by the media, so most of them aren't. But they should be asked about them anyway, again and again. The other reason Santorum won't get the Lott treatment is that Republicans think homophobia, unlike racism, won't cost them politically, and that it's still safe to bash gays. Reporters should question Santorum and his defenders at every opportunity. Do they think Vice President Dick Cheney's gay daughter Mary should be prosecuted for her "homosexual acts?" And does the GOP believe in a right to privacy? Should adultery be criminalized? What about contraception? Reporters tried, but failed, to get Ari Fleischer to expand on his vapid statements defending Santorum on Friday. Get a load of this exchange: Reporter: What's the president's beliefs about homosexuality? Fleischer: You know, that's a question that's been put to the president, and if you go back and you look at it, the president has said that, first of all, he doesn't ask that question about people. He judges people about who they are, their individual soul. That's not a matter the president concerns himself with. He judges people for how they act and how they relate, and that's his focus on that. How they act sexually? Because I asked sexually ... How they act as a person. The same way ... But the police in Texas asked how they act sexually. The same way you would say that about how anybody -- what's his reaction to this person or that person -- say, are they a nice person, what kind of person are they? It has nothing to do with their sexuality. So does he believe that they ought to be free to be themselves, without interference from police? The president has always said that when it comes to legal matters, that it's a question of different groups, homosexual groups, gay groups should not have special rights or special privileges. Is it a special privilege to be able to love the person you love the way you want to love them, without interference from the police? If you're asking about a matter that is a legal matter that is pending before the Supreme Court, that's a matter for the court to rule on, and we'll find out what the court says in the specific case in mind. So he has no position on that? It's a matter that's pending before the court, in regard to your last question. - - - - - - - - - - - - It's worth remembering who was Texas governor in 1998, when police burst into the bedroom of the gay couple whose case is before the Supreme Court: Yes, it was Fleischer's boss, our president. He's had plenty of time to rethink that law, which was enforced on his watch, and he hasn't. He had all week to rethink Santorum's outrageous remarks, and repudiate them, and he didn't. After watching a segment about Santorum on Fox News the other night, I stayed tuned as the network segued into an Iraq update, and a Fox commentator decried the country's Shiites for trying to "introduce religion into political life." Of course the president's party is trying to do the same. Let's hope Santorum's candor wakes more Americans up to the fact that Iraqis aren't the only ones at risk of losing their freedom to religious fundamentalism. , "m6" <megalith6@h...> wrote: > Namaste, > > You can get there on your own Kundalini Yoga or you can get there > with another person [Tantra]. > > The concept that individuals contain an aspect of their complementary > gender can be found also in Western psychology, as with C G > Jung's 'anima' and 'animus' theory; the concept is also implicit > within the Taoist seal of Greater Heaven, the Yin and the Yang. > > Most Chakra systems will show a God and Goddess inhabiting each > individual Chakra: quite regardless of whether you are a boy or a > girl. > > Ultimately there are no categories, ultimately there is but bliss - > > Nirvana > > Moksha > > Beatitude > > Om > > > > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > Dear Len: Thank you for offering your further definition of the > > phrase posted by Theapoetica. If you have any commentary on > > the following, I would be interested in hearing it. I have recently > > been formulating a theory that each human being is both male > > and female, regardless of the outer manifestation of the body. > > "The jewel is in the lotus" actually supports this idea rather than > > necessarily standing for heterosexual sex relations. And the > > yonilingam supports this idea, too. I guess it could also work to > > say, as spiritual teachings supposedly do say, that the spirit is > > neither male nor female. However, outwardly, in the world, since > > there are power dynamics that do not fully respect each gender > > in its totality unto itself, I think it is more valuable to claim > both > > genders are within. This can ultimately lead to better treatment of > > all in the outer world. > > > > Re tantra: I have heard that a traditional view is that homosexual > > (sex) relations can't be tantric because there isn't the requisite > > male and female present. To my thinking, this approach fails to > > recognize the wholeness of the life energies of human being, > > and limits each person to her or his body only, which includes > > the cultural proscriptions/notions of what a person in a male or > > female body is supposed to be and do. > > > > If anyone in Shakti Sadhana knows of tantric writings that > > recognize and validate the total and complete life energies of the > > participants rather than limiting the tantric participants to > > traditional roles, I would appreciate it if you would post info > about > > the writings, or e-mail me individually if you prefer. Thanks in > > advance. > > > > -- Mary Ann > > > > , Black Lotus L > > Rosenberg <kalipadma@j...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "The Jewel is in the Lotus" has almost infinite interpretations, > > > including "the Soul is clad with the Body," "the Divine is > > disguised as > > > the Mundane,the Immortal manifests as the Ephemeral,""the > > Fragile is > > > Unbreakable within," and so forth. > > > > > > Implying that it only means "the Penis is in the Vagina" does > > not do it > > > justice. > > > > > > (And Tantra is not just about boinking!) > > > > > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:57:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6@h...> > > writes: > > > > Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > > > > > Basically translated means "The Jewel in the Lotus". > > > > > > > > This is sexual symbolism, like the Shivalingam - same thing, > > > > different way of looking at it, that's all. > > > > > > > > Tantra . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! 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