Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 I'm listening to it again, and it's hard to discern due to the chanting but it may be Home Bome Badhme Padme ( not Madme padme ) In a message dated 5/6/03 7:54:42 AM Mountain Daylight Time, TheaPoetika writes: > what they are singing on this song -- chanting really -- > it sounds more like ( this is my phonetic stab at it to see if anybody will > > recognize it and can tell me what it means ): sounds like "Home Bome Madme > Padme" > I hate to keep raving like a lunatic about this, but there really is > > this song on this cd, and they are chanting this and I wish I knew what > they > are saying. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Why would a chanting on a James Twyman CD be invoking the devil? I do not speak this language. I am on this list to learn. I worship in my own way. How arrogant to speak in such a belittling way. There are many paths. Some here may worship the Goddess in a way other than your own. I asked a question. I was trying to hear the lyrics of a song right. If you don't have the answer to my question, fine. Interesting that you find flaw in my asking a question more than once, but see no flaw in your rude criticism of my character and assumptions about my spiritual practice. Peace, Cathie I In a message dated 5/6/03 12:07:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time, chandrahari81 writes: > I am seeing this message again and again. This is a case of misplaced > inquisitiveness - what is the use in knowing a chanting that you can't > figure out? It must be invoking some devil -why should be one bothered when > the words cannot be figured out? As far as Shakti sadhana is concerned one > won't become that directionless as in the present case of the person who is > repeating this question if the person is doing any sadhana worth that name. > If really interested in knowing mantras start with "Om namasivaya" and that > will keep away these kind of doubts. chandra hari > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 So the bottom line is that on this cd I have they are chanting nonsense, as far as you can tell. Excuse me, but I do not speak that language, or I would not have asked. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 5/6/03 1:25:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, gitaprana writes: > Namaste-Not exactly a devil. Om mani padme hum is the mantra of the > bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, the enlightened energy of compassion in the > Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Like the shakta tradition the Tibetan Buddhists > use many bija mantras in their pujas, so what you are hearing may be bija > mantras or it may just simply be that the mantra is being chanted so slowly > that the syllables run together and appear to be separate words. You could > try a google search on "avalokiteshvara". There are many mantras online and > perhaps you will find that one. But here's the hitch, the mantra must be > correct ,according to many traditions. "What you say is what you get", so a > mispronounced mantra might actually BE invoking some "devil" instead of the > deity one intends to invoke. At best, a mispronounced mantra may be > useless. That's why most shaktas have enormous respect for the proper > pronunciation of mantras. It is all tied into this other topic we have been > discussing-the matrkas as the powers of the letters of the alphabet. > Someone said the matrkas occasionally go berzerk. Well, there you have it > in an odd sort of way. Having said all this I am not personally sure that a > mantra repeated with respect and devotion doesn't override pronunciation > problems, especially in the case of benign, all-forgiving deities like > Avalokiteshvara or Shiva. Most of Tibet chants this mantra. Instead of > "padme" they say "peme". So it appears there is some leeway. How to account > for regional differences in Sanskrit pronunciation? So, to my mind the > power must reside in something more than the simple pronunciation. I hope > this is helpful. Jai Ma, Gita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 I am seeing this message again and again. This is a case of misplaced inquisitiveness - what is the use in knowing a chanting that you can't figure out? It must be invoking some devil -why should be one bothered when the words cannot be figured out? As far as Shakti sadhana is concerned one won't become that directionless as in the present case of the person who is repeating this question if the person is doing any sadhana worth that name. If really interested in knowing mantras start with "Om namasivaya" and that will keep away these kind of doubts. chandra hari TheaPoetika wrote:I'm listening to it again, and it's hard to discern due to the chanting but it may be Home Bome Badhme Padme ( not Madme padme ) In a message dated 5/6/03 7:54:42 AM Mountain Daylight Time, TheaPoetika writes: > what they are singing on this song -- chanting really -- > it sounds more like ( this is my phonetic stab at it to see if anybody will > > recognize it and can tell me what it means ): sounds like "Home Bome Madme > Padme" > I hate to keep raving like a lunatic about this, but there really is > > this song on this cd, and they are chanting this and I wish I knew what > they > are saying. > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Namaste-Not exactly a devil. Om mani padme hum is the mantra of the bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, the enlightened energy of compassion in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Like the shakta tradition the Tibetan Buddhists use many bija mantras in their pujas, so what you are hearing may be bija mantras or it may just simply be that the mantra is being chanted so slowly that the syllables run together and appear to be separate words. You could try a google search on "avalokiteshvara". There are many mantras online and perhaps you will find that one. But here's the hitch, the mantra must be correct ,according to many traditions. "What you say is what you get", so a mispronounced mantra might actually BE invoking some "devil" instead of the deity one intends to invoke. At best, a mispronounced mantra may be useless. That's why most shaktas have enormous respect for the proper pronunciation of mantras. It is all tied into this other topic we have been discussing-the matrkas as the powers of the letters of the alphabet. Someone said the matrkas occasionally go berzerk. Well, there you have it in an odd sort of way. Having said all this I am not personally sure that a mantra repeated with respect and devotion doesn't override pronunciation problems, especially in the case of benign, all-forgiving deities like Avalokiteshvara or Shiva. Most of Tibet chants this mantra. Instead of "padme" they say "peme". So it appears there is some leeway. How to account for regional differences in Sanskrit pronunciation? So, to my mind the power must reside in something more than the simple pronunciation. I hope this is helpful. Jai Ma, Gita - Chandra Hari Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:06 AM Re: Om Mani Padhme Hum: Another Question I am seeing this message again and again. This is a case of misplaced inquisitiveness - what is the use in knowing a chanting that you can't figure out? It must be invoking some devil -why should be one bothered when the words cannot be figured out? As far as Shakti sadhana is concerned one won't become that directionless as in the present case of the person who is repeating this question if the person is doing any sadhana worth that name. If really interested in knowing mantras start with "Om namasivaya" and that will keep away these kind of doubts. chandra hari TheaPoetika wrote:I'm listening to it again, and it's hard to discern due to the chanting but it may be Home Bome Badhme Padme ( not Madme padme ) In a message dated 5/6/03 7:54:42 AM Mountain Daylight Time, TheaPoetika writes: > what they are singing on this song -- chanting really -- > it sounds more like ( this is my phonetic stab at it to see if anybody will > > recognize it and can tell me what it means ): sounds like "Home Bome Madme > Padme" > I hate to keep raving like a lunatic about this, but there really is > > this song on this cd, and they are chanting this and I wish I knew what > they > are saying. > Sponsor The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 No, not nonsense at all. It's really hard to get a mantra off a CD. I was trying to listen to one lately. I thought I had it right but a devotee sent me the correct mantra. I was way off the mark. That's why it's good to try, as you are doing, to find it written down. The Tibetan Buddhist resources are the place to look. I was not happy about the devil email. People use mantras to achieve all sorts of diabolical and selfish ends. We should be happy when someone like yourself really wants to learn one for devotional purposes. I was not happy to see someone calling someone else's deity a devil or about the tone of that note and tried to restate it, obviously without success. What CD is it? Gita - TheaPoetika Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:30 PM Re: Om Mani Padhme Hum: Another Question So the bottom line is that on this cd I have they are chanting nonsense, as far as you can tell. Excuse me, but I do not speak that language, or I would not have asked. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 5/6/03 1:25:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, gitaprana writes: > Namaste-Not exactly a devil. Om mani padme hum is the mantra of the > bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, the enlightened energy of compassion in the > Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Like the shakta tradition the Tibetan Buddhists > use many bija mantras in their pujas, so what you are hearing may be bija > mantras or it may just simply be that the mantra is being chanted so slowly > that the syllables run together and appear to be separate words. You could > try a google search on "avalokiteshvara". There are many mantras online and > perhaps you will find that one. But here's the hitch, the mantra must be > correct ,according to many traditions. "What you say is what you get", so a > mispronounced mantra might actually BE invoking some "devil" instead of the > deity one intends to invoke. At best, a mispronounced mantra may be > useless. That's why most shaktas have enormous respect for the proper > pronunciation of mantras. It is all tied into this other topic we have been > discussing-the matrkas as the powers of the letters of the alphabet. > Someone said the matrkas occasionally go berzerk. Well, there you have it > in an odd sort of way. Having said all this I am not personally sure that a > mantra repeated with respect and devotion doesn't override pronunciation > problems, especially in the case of benign, all-forgiving deities like > Avalokiteshvara or Shiva. Most of Tibet chants this mantra. Instead of > "padme" they say "peme". So it appears there is some leeway. How to account > for regional differences in Sanskrit pronunciation? So, to my mind the > power must reside in something more than the simple pronunciation. I hope > this is helpful. Jai Ma, Gita Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Hi Gita, Thanks ! It is the James F. Twyman CD, "May Peace Prevail On Earth" ;-) I doubt it's devil music ! ;-) It's song number 3 on the cd, which has some lovely songs on it... nice flutes and such, Peace, Love and Poetic License, Cathie In a message dated 5/6/03 3:39:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, gitaprana writes: > No, not nonsense at all. It's really hard to get a mantra off a CD. I was > trying to listen to one lately. I thought I had it right but a devotee sent > me the correct mantra. I was way off the mark. That's why it's good to try, > as you are doing, to find it written down. The Tibetan Buddhist resources > are the place to look. I was not happy about the devil email. People use > mantras to achieve all sorts of diabolical and selfish ends. We should be > happy when someone like yourself really wants to learn one for devotional > purposes. I was not happy to see someone calling someone else's deity a > devil or about the tone of that note and tried to restate it, obviously > without success. What CD is it? Gita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 What ever has to be said about that is already said. I leave it there. To my mind sadhaka's have got a message in my words. We understand the things based on our innerself - U have taken it as a criticism, an insult and bad language. I don't mind your criticism. In a discussion channel like this there are two options: 1. One can remain deaf and dumb to things you know as wrong and do not respond 2. You respond so that at least a few understand the right spirit. May be your voice may meet with contempt. There's a famous quote: Satyam brooyat, priyam brooyat Na brooyat Satyam-apriyam I do not believe in this diplomacy. So I responded to my inner voice and conveyed my opinion. If somone is in quest of the mantras: "amantramakshram nasti" - anything can be a mantra. why to figure it out - chant it as you hear. Why no one has figured it out so far? chandra hari TheaPoetika wrote:So the bottom line is that on this cd I have they are chanting nonsense, as far as you can tell. Excuse me, but I do not speak that language, or I would not have asked. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 5/6/03 1:25:15 PM Mountain Daylight Time, gitaprana writes: > Namaste-Not exactly a devil. Om mani padme hum is the mantra of the > bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, the enlightened energy of compassion in the > Tibetan Buddhist tradition. Like the shakta tradition the Tibetan Buddhists > use many bija mantras in their pujas, so what you are hearing may be bija > mantras or it may just simply be that the mantra is being chanted so slowly > that the syllables run together and appear to be separate words. You could > try a google search on "avalokiteshvara". There are many mantras online and > perhaps you will find that one. But here's the hitch, the mantra must be > correct ,according to many traditions. "What you say is what you get", so a > mispronounced mantra might actually BE invoking some "devil" instead of the > deity one intends to invoke. At best, a mispronounced mantra may be > useless. That's why most shaktas have enormous respect for the proper > pronunciation of mantras. It is all tied into this other topic we have been > discussing-the matrkas as the powers of the letters of the alphabet. > Someone said the matrkas occasionally go berzerk. Well, there you have it > in an odd sort of way. Having said all this I am not personally sure that a > mantra repeated with respect and devotion doesn't override pronunciation > problems, especially in the case of benign, all-forgiving deities like > Avalokiteshvara or Shiva. Most of Tibet chants this mantra. Instead of > "padme" they say "peme". So it appears there is some leeway. How to account > for regional differences in Sanskrit pronunciation? So, to my mind the > power must reside in something more than the simple pronunciation. I hope > this is helpful. Jai Ma, Gita The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 On Tue, 6 May 2003 10:08:57 EDT TheaPoetika writes: > > I hate to keep raving like a lunatic about this, but there really is > > this song on this cd, and they are chanting this and I wish I knew > > what they are saying. Perhaps it's a sexual come-on? Hum Bone. Bad me. Pat me. Who are the performers? Where are they from? What do the liner notes say? Are there liner notes? Oh well, time to chant my wealth-increasing mantra: Oh, Money, Pad My Home... -- Len/ Kalipadma > I'm listening to it again, and it's hard to discern due to the > chanting but > it may be Home Bome Badhme Padme ( not Madme padme ) > > In a message dated 5/6/03 7:54:42 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > TheaPoetika writes: > > > > what they are singing on this song -- chanting really -- > > it sounds more like ( this is my phonetic stab at it to see if > anybody will > > > > recognize it and can tell me what it means ): sounds like "Home > Bome Madme > > Padme" > > ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 See if Twyman has a web-site, and ask him what it mrans. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Tue, 6 May 2003 22:50:09 EDT TheaPoetika writes: > Hi Gita, > Thanks ! It is the James F. Twyman CD, "May Peace Prevail On > Earth" > ;-) I doubt it's devil music ! ;-) > It's song number 3 on the cd, which has some lovely songs on > it... > nice flutes and such, > > Peace, Love and Poetic License, > Cathie > ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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