Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Hello Cathie, I am new to this list, but, may be, can hint you on approach to "mantra shastra". Its from my reading and understanding of the same. A Shastra has 3 parts i.e. science/observations + logic + supporting philosphy. The word Mantra is derived from two words “Mana” or the mind that thinks and “Trai” or to protect. Thus mantra shastra is the science of training the mind to protect the self. Basic idea of mantra shastra is that everything you speak/recite mentally is a mantra i.e. produced to protect your mind where protection has a much larger/deeper and actually context sensitive connotations, rather than the obvious dictionary meaning. What one "speaks" is the last form of the mantra as audible sound, which actually originates in the Heart/ Heart Chakra of an individual and passes through various "bodies"(explained later). Listening as well connects to the Heart Chakra in a similar fashion, and what you listen from external sources "actually" originates inside. I reason it out through observations like sometimes I feel clearer at listening to something than other times, while the sound producing source remains fairly constant and ears don't interfere with the interpretation of the sound heard. Similarly sometimes I am more clear in pronouncing certain words(of whatever language I know), than at other times. What this means is that, what you land up repeating/listening/interpreting reflects the Status Quo, if I use that word, of your personal (spiritual + material) evolution at that particular instant of time irrespective of the manifold possible personal/social/political/whatsoever implications of the same like from that CD. Now thats' none of ones' fault that one, almost, finds oneself at a particular point in evolution "hierarchy" (or whatever arrangement), as the "essential" human body functions same way for all of us irrespective of the theory we make to represent and in turn understand its functionality. Just diverting for a moment from mantra shastra. You might already know this. Taitareya Upanishad tells us that, essentially, there are 5 bodies related to a (human) being. So, we have (1) Outer form/gross body - sustained by food - encloses -> (2) Prana body/subtle body - sustained by breath - encloses-> (3) Manomaya body/mental body - sustained by feelings - encloses -> (4) VIJANMAYA BODY/Body of intellect - sustained by the individual soul - encloses -> (5) Anandmaya body/Body of bliss - sustained by itself - encompasses/pervades all. This hierarchy of body chalks out the plan for successive growth/evolution and complements other theories that you might have read about evolution like shiva-shakti one, which, I expect, you know grossly. So this much is the theory. The better part is the implications of this theory and even better would be its validation for oneself through actual observation. Well I would list following deductions, relevant to mantra shastra:- 1) All bodies are involved in any activity you perform; they are expected to work together as you always experience yourself as a single being!!! 2) Mantra shastra is no exception. Mantras work "more" at the level of manonaya/mental body. Basic rule of mantra shastra is that if you repeat a mantra mentally, without making a sound and without moving your lips and tongue inside the mouth, no "error/sin/dosha" whatsoever, will come to you as a result of that recitation, detailed in the elaborate scheme of mantra shastra. Its best to start with one of the "prasiddha" mantras (i.e. those mantras which don't need any elaborate pre-processing rituals and can be recited from day one). I think that you will find a "prasiddha" mantra for every deity in vedic tradition, though it mayn't be as powerful (i.e. directed towards a particular aim in mind) but will help in resolving the issues in general. Rest depends on power of your soul, with which, every mantra is equally powerful. Preferably, start with "Prasiddha" mantra of your "ishta" deity (i.e. deity who will take you on path of evolution, both spiritual and material), which will never harm you and which can be recited with a lot of freedom like at any time of day etc than most mantras. Ishta mantra represents your deepest individualistic expression i.e. at the level of your soul/vijanmaya body and gives it a proper direction. Preferably take mantra from a guru/knowledgeable person till you yourselves excel. However, if somebody gives you a wrong mantra and you getting ill-effects, I note two points here. 1) First of all, abuses are there for any system that has existed in this world; and this one just looks unfamiliar and therefore fraught with dangers. 2) But if you relate to the basic philoshpy of vedic/hindu traditions, it says that one reaps the results of what karma one sowed in earlier births. And while someone giving you wrong mantra will reap the bad effects himself for the wrong doing, you will get bad effects only in proportion to your past karma (no more and no less). NOTE that shastra is based on a supporting philosphy to keep the observations and logic in proper perspective. It may be easy/difficult for you to intellectually understand or believe all this, but some day, it might make sense to you. regards, nitish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Thank You Nitish, For sharing all this beautiful information. Yes, I believe everything you have said here. I am a poet and I have experienced this type of thing but I have never heard it described this way in terms of a mantra before... Silly me. I am going to print this out and study it. It resonates. Peace, Love and Poetic License, Cathie In a message dated 5/7/03 1:55:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, yeeahoo_99 writes: > Hello Cathie, > I am new to this list, but, may be, can hint you on > approach to "mantra shastra". Its from my reading and > understanding of the same. > > A Shastra has 3 parts i.e. science/observations + > logic + supporting philosphy. The word Mantra is > derived from two words “Mana†or the mind that thinks > and “Trai†or to protect. Thus mantra shastra is the > science of training the mind to protect the self. > > Basic idea of mantra shastra is that everything you > speak/recite mentally is a mantra i.e. produced to > protect your mind where protection has a much > larger/deeper and actually context sensitive > connotations, rather than the obvious dictionary > meaning. > > What one "speaks" is the last form of the mantra > as audible sound, which actually originates in the > Heart/ Heart Chakra of an individual and passes > through various "bodies"(explained later). Listening > as well connects to the Heart Chakra in a similar > fashion, and what you listen from external sources > "actually" originates inside. I reason it out through > observations like sometimes I feel clearer at > listening to something than other times, while the > sound producing source remains fairly constant and > ears don't interfere with the interpretation of the > sound heard. Similarly sometimes I am more clear in > pronouncing certain words(of whatever language I > know), than at other times. > > What this means is that, what you land up > repeating/listening/interpreting reflects the Status > Quo, if I use that word, of your personal (spiritual + > material) evolution at that particular instant of time > irrespective of the manifold possible > personal/social/political/whatsoever implications of > the same like from that CD. > > Now thats' none of ones' fault that one, almost, > finds oneself at a particular point in evolution > "hierarchy" (or whatever arrangement), as the > "essential" human body functions same way for all of > us irrespective of the theory we make to represent and > in turn understand its functionality. > > Just diverting for a moment from mantra shastra. > You might already know this. Taitareya Upanishad tells > us that, essentially, there are 5 bodies related to a > (human) being. So, we have > (1) Outer form/gross body - sustained by food - > encloses -> > (2) Prana body/subtle body - sustained by breath - > encloses-> > (3) Manomaya body/mental body - sustained by feelings > - > encloses -> > (4) VIJANMAYA BODY/Body of intellect - sustained by > the individual soul - encloses -> > (5) Anandmaya body/Body of bliss - sustained by itself > - encompasses/pervades all. > > This hierarchy of body chalks out the plan for > successive growth/evolution and complements other > theories that you might have read about evolution like > shiva-shakti one, which, I expect, you know grossly. > > > So this much is the theory. The better part is the > implications of this theory and even better would be > its validation for oneself through actual observation. > > > Well I would list following deductions, relevant to > mantra shastra:- > 1) All bodies are involved in any activity you > perform; they are expected to work together as you > always experience yourself as a single being!!! > 2) Mantra shastra is no exception. Mantras work "more" > at the level of manonaya/mental body. > > Basic rule of mantra shastra is that if you repeat a > mantra mentally, without making a sound and without > moving your lips and tongue inside the mouth, no > "error/sin/dosha" whatsoever, will come to you as a > result of that recitation, detailed in the elaborate > scheme of mantra shastra. > > Its best to start with one of the "prasiddha" > mantras (i.e. those mantras which don't need any > elaborate pre-processing rituals and can be recited > from day one). I think that you will find a > "prasiddha" mantra for every deity in vedic tradition, > though it mayn't be as powerful (i.e. directed towards > a particular aim in mind) but will help in resolving > the issues in general. Rest depends on power of your > soul, with which, every mantra is equally powerful. > Preferably, start with "Prasiddha" mantra of your > "ishta" deity (i.e. deity who will take you on path of > evolution, both spiritual and material), which will > never harm you and which can be recited with a lot of > freedom like at any time of day etc than most mantras. > Ishta mantra represents your deepest individualistic > expression i.e. at the level of your soul/vijanmaya > body and gives it a proper direction. > > Preferably take mantra from a guru/knowledgeable > person till you yourselves excel. However, if somebody > gives you a wrong mantra and you getting ill-effects, > I note two points here. > 1) First of all, abuses are there for any system > that has existed in this world; and this one just > looks unfamiliar and therefore fraught with dangers. > 2) But if you relate to the basic philoshpy of > vedic/hindu traditions, it says that one reaps the > results of what karma one sowed in earlier births. And > while someone giving you wrong mantra will reap the > bad effects himself for the wrong doing, you will get > bad effects only in proportion to your past karma (no > more and no less). > > NOTE that shastra is based on a supporting > philosphy to keep the observations and logic in proper > perspective. > > It may be easy/difficult for you to intellectually > understand or believe all this, but some day, it might > make sense to you. > > regards, > nitish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Hi Nitish, Can you explain the types of mantras, since you explained Prasiddha so nicely? Understanding which mantras are Prasiddha and which mantras require transmission is important. Dhanyavaada, Kailash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Hello kailash, I, myself, am a beginner in this vast area of mantra shastra, which is why I would rather give you a reference to a few books that you can look at for a complete answer to your question. The book that I have is "Mantra Rahasya" authored by Dr. NarayanDutt shrimali (check out http://www.siddhashram.org/) and is well suited to people who are beginning in this field. I would just add a word of my own understanding. First thing is that there are multiple ways to categorize mantras, and am not very much familiar with this aspect. The basis of mantra shastra, however, lies in the Sanskrit Aksharmala - or the garland of kali and One needs to first understand and "establish" oneself in the shaktis (different kind of energies) associated with the consonants and vowels of Sanskrit as part of a step by step growth. I am still learning this aspect. However, I will give u a clue to start with. Fundamentally, different activities require different energies, each of which can be seen in relation to the various capabilities of a person (e.g. gross capabilities like ability to speak,move,digest food; subtle capabilities like feeling, willpower, believing, modulating the breath; subtler capabilities like thinking, controlling ones' attention, visualizing; still higher ones' like the sense of personality etc.). Now, all these energies are every persons' natural potential, but are expressed with different "intensity" in each one. NOTE that "intensity of expression" simply means - initial differentiation of a particular shakti/capability from other energies (or recognition of a shakti/capability i.e. to say that a person knows what is required to speak and what is required to walk say) and subsequent "establishment" (full recognition) of oneself in that energy/mode of expression of ones' own self to gain complete control/understanding of that shakti. This comes through single-pointedness or something like dissolution of all the other differentiated energies (including sense of personality) in the same self from where they initially began differentiation while excercising a particular shakti. For the gross level, these shaktis' are channelized through various pranas in the pranic body, which is "established" in your gross body (outer form) by virtue of your souls' desire to live out your karma and incomplete desires etc. in this material world. While the basis of all the energies remains ones' own self which is unchanging, at lower levels like pranic body (sustained by breath), there are modulations of prana in various organs during a day and therefore modulations in the levels of various shaktis' as a result of the total environment (internal and external). Getting rid of these modulations and becoming "constant" in self gives full control over a shakti (and all shaktis) and methods like pranayama, swaroopa bhan etc. are all detailed everywhere in numerous books. NOTE that, at gross level, speech is given supreme importance in ones' spiritual evolution as its perhaps the most developed organ of expression of inner self at the gross level. So control of speech may be the first thing you would like to do to proceed in this area. Every mantra has a deity and the deity has a shakti, which is the aim of the person reciting mantra. There is a first test of suitability of mantra for the person, actually a matching of persons' name and name of deity of the mantra is required. Check out www.astroexpert.com for matching of a mantra deity to you. There is much much more to it but the basics remain the same and this is the field where practice of basics will help you more than anything else because finally akshara is the key (compounded words are just the derivations for very specific aims). regards, nitish --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > Hi Nitish, > > Can you explain the types of mantras, since you > explained Prasiddha so > nicely? Understanding which mantras are Prasiddha > and which mantras > require transmission is important. > > Dhanyavaada, > > Kailash > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Namaste, Thank you for your post. I have been studying Sanskrit for two years, and things are starting to make sense. My guru, Karunamayi Amma, has given me mantra diksha, and so I am practicing that. However, many people ask me what kind of categories there are for mantras, and that is why I asked if you could list them. I checked out the Mantra Rahasya book, and it's not in English, so that's a problem So if there is any way you could enumerate briefly on the mantric categories that would be greatly appreciated! Kailash Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:46 AM RE: re: Om Mani Padhme Hum: another question, oops Hello kailash, I, myself, am a beginner in this vast area of mantra shastra, which is why I would rather give you a reference to a few books that you can look at for a complete answer to your question. The book that I have is "Mantra Rahasya" authored by Dr. NarayanDutt shrimali (check out http://www.siddhashram.org/) and is well suited to people who are beginning in this field. I would just add a word of my own understanding. First thing is that there are multiple ways to categorize mantras, and am not very much familiar with this aspect. The basis of mantra shastra, however, lies in the Sanskrit Aksharmala - or the garland of kali and One needs to first understand and "establish" oneself in the shaktis (different kind of energies) associated with the consonants and vowels of Sanskrit as part of a step by step growth. I am still learning this aspect. However, I will give u a clue to start with. Fundamentally, different activities require different energies, each of which can be seen in relation to the various capabilities of a person (e.g. gross capabilities like ability to speak,move,digest food; subtle capabilities like feeling, willpower, believing, modulating the breath; subtler capabilities like thinking, controlling ones' attention, visualizing; still higher ones' like the sense of personality etc.). Now, all these energies are every persons' natural potential, but are expressed with different "intensity" in each one. NOTE that "intensity of expression" simply means - initial differentiation of a particular shakti/capability from other energies (or recognition of a shakti/capability i.e. to say that a person knows what is required to speak and what is required to walk say) and subsequent "establishment" (full recognition) of oneself in that energy/mode of expression of ones' own self to gain complete control/understanding of that shakti. This comes through single-pointedness or something like dissolution of all the other differentiated energies (including sense of personality) in the same self from where they initially began differentiation while excercising a particular shakti. For the gross level, these shaktis' are channelized through various pranas in the pranic body, which is "established" in your gross body (outer form) by virtue of your souls' desire to live out your karma and incomplete desires etc. in this material world. While the basis of all the energies remains ones' own self which is unchanging, at lower levels like pranic body (sustained by breath), there are modulations of prana in various organs during a day and therefore modulations in the levels of various shaktis' as a result of the total environment (internal and external). Getting rid of these modulations and becoming "constant" in self gives full control over a shakti (and all shaktis) and methods like pranayama, swaroopa bhan etc. are all detailed everywhere in numerous books. NOTE that, at gross level, speech is given supreme importance in ones' spiritual evolution as its perhaps the most developed organ of expression of inner self at the gross level. So control of speech may be the first thing you would like to do to proceed in this area. Every mantra has a deity and the deity has a shakti, which is the aim of the person reciting mantra. There is a first test of suitability of mantra for the person, actually a matching of persons' name and name of deity of the mantra is required. Check out www.astroexpert.com for matching of a mantra deity to you. There is much much more to it but the basics remain the same and this is the field where practice of basics will help you more than anything else because finally akshara is the key (compounded words are just the derivations for very specific aims). regards, nitish --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > Hi Nitish, > > Can you explain the types of mantras, since you > explained Prasiddha so > nicely? Understanding which mantras are Prasiddha > and which mantras > require transmission is important. > > Dhanyavaada, > > Kailash > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Maybe we should let Nitish answer this Kailash gitaprana [gitaprana] Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:24 PM Re: re: Om Mani Padhme Hum: another question, oops Namaste Kailash-I would like to ask about the aksharamala of Kali . Each head stands for one akshara, which in turn, governs a specific energy and ultimately manifests in the physical body? In the kundalini system, the aksharas are arrayed on the different petals of each cakra and each cakra has its physical domain. In the puja I know, the process of nyasa places the aksharas at specific points of the body-eyes, ears, etc. Are either of these 2 ways of relating the matrikas to the body energies the same as what you are describing? Are there books in English, besides GARLAND OF LETTERS, that deal with the aksharamala? Jai Ma, Gita - Nitish Arya Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:45 AM RE: re: Om Mani Padhme Hum: another question, oops Hello kailash, I, myself, am a beginner in this vast area of mantra shastra, which is why I would rather give you a reference to a few books that you can look at for a complete answer to your question. The book that I have is "Mantra Rahasya" authored by Dr. NarayanDutt shrimali (check out http://www.siddhashram.org/) and is well suited to people who are beginning in this field. I would just add a word of my own understanding. First thing is that there are multiple ways to categorize mantras, and am not very much familiar with this aspect. The basis of mantra shastra, however, lies in the Sanskrit Aksharmala - or the garland of kali and One needs to first understand and "establish" oneself in the shaktis (different kind of energies) associated with the consonants and vowels of Sanskrit as part of a step by step growth. I am still learning this aspect. However, I will give u a clue to start with. Fundamentally, different activities require different energies, each of which can be seen in relation to the various capabilities of a person (e.g. gross capabilities like ability to speak,move,digest food; subtle capabilities like feeling, willpower, believing, modulating the breath; subtler capabilities like thinking, controlling ones' attention, visualizing; still higher ones' like the sense of personality etc.). Now, all these energies are every persons' natural potential, but are expressed with different "intensity" in each one. NOTE that "intensity of expression" simply means - initial differentiation of a particular shakti/capability from other energies (or recognition of a shakti/capability i.e. to say that a person knows what is required to speak and what is required to walk say) and subsequent "establishment" (full recognition) of oneself in that energy/mode of expression of ones' own self to gain complete control/understanding of that shakti. This comes through single-pointedness or something like dissolution of all the other differentiated energies (including sense of personality) in the same self from where they initially began differentiation while excercising a particular shakti. For the gross level, these shaktis' are channelized through various pranas in the pranic body, which is "established" in your gross body (outer form) by virtue of your souls' desire to live out your karma and incomplete desires etc. in this material world. While the basis of all the energies remains ones' own self which is unchanging, at lower levels like pranic body (sustained by breath), there are modulations of prana in various organs during a day and therefore modulations in the levels of various shaktis' as a result of the total environment (internal and external). Getting rid of these modulations and becoming "constant" in self gives full control over a shakti (and all shaktis) and methods like pranayama, swaroopa bhan etc. are all detailed everywhere in numerous books. NOTE that, at gross level, speech is given supreme importance in ones' spiritual evolution as its perhaps the most developed organ of expression of inner self at the gross level. So control of speech may be the first thing you would like to do to proceed in this area. Every mantra has a deity and the deity has a shakti, which is the aim of the person reciting mantra. There is a first test of suitability of mantra for the person, actually a matching of persons' name and name of deity of the mantra is required. Check out www.astroexpert.com for matching of a mantra deity to you. There is much much more to it but the basics remain the same and this is the field where practice of basics will help you more than anything else because finally akshara is the key (compounded words are just the derivations for very specific aims). regards, nitish --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > Hi Nitish, > > Can you explain the types of mantras, since you > explained Prasiddha so > nicely? Understanding which mantras are Prasiddha > and which mantras > require transmission is important. > > Dhanyavaada, > > Kailash > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. 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Guest guest Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 Namaste Kailash-I would like to ask about the aksharamala of Kali . Each head stands for one akshara, which in turn, governs a specific energy and ultimately manifests in the physical body? In the kundalini system, the aksharas are arrayed on the different petals of each cakra and each cakra has its physical domain. In the puja I know, the process of nyasa places the aksharas at specific points of the body-eyes, ears, etc. Are either of these 2 ways of relating the matrikas to the body energies the same as what you are describing? Are there books in English, besides GARLAND OF LETTERS, that deal with the aksharamala? Jai Ma, Gita - Nitish Arya Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:45 AM RE: re: Om Mani Padhme Hum: another question, oops Hello kailash, I, myself, am a beginner in this vast area of mantra shastra, which is why I would rather give you a reference to a few books that you can look at for a complete answer to your question. The book that I have is "Mantra Rahasya" authored by Dr. NarayanDutt shrimali (check out http://www.siddhashram.org/) and is well suited to people who are beginning in this field. I would just add a word of my own understanding. First thing is that there are multiple ways to categorize mantras, and am not very much familiar with this aspect. The basis of mantra shastra, however, lies in the Sanskrit Aksharmala - or the garland of kali and One needs to first understand and "establish" oneself in the shaktis (different kind of energies) associated with the consonants and vowels of Sanskrit as part of a step by step growth. I am still learning this aspect. However, I will give u a clue to start with. Fundamentally, different activities require different energies, each of which can be seen in relation to the various capabilities of a person (e.g. gross capabilities like ability to speak,move,digest food; subtle capabilities like feeling, willpower, believing, modulating the breath; subtler capabilities like thinking, controlling ones' attention, visualizing; still higher ones' like the sense of personality etc.). Now, all these energies are every persons' natural potential, but are expressed with different "intensity" in each one. NOTE that "intensity of expression" simply means - initial differentiation of a particular shakti/capability from other energies (or recognition of a shakti/capability i.e. to say that a person knows what is required to speak and what is required to walk say) and subsequent "establishment" (full recognition) of oneself in that energy/mode of expression of ones' own self to gain complete control/understanding of that shakti. This comes through single-pointedness or something like dissolution of all the other differentiated energies (including sense of personality) in the same self from where they initially began differentiation while excercising a particular shakti. For the gross level, these shaktis' are channelized through various pranas in the pranic body, which is "established" in your gross body (outer form) by virtue of your souls' desire to live out your karma and incomplete desires etc. in this material world. While the basis of all the energies remains ones' own self which is unchanging, at lower levels like pranic body (sustained by breath), there are modulations of prana in various organs during a day and therefore modulations in the levels of various shaktis' as a result of the total environment (internal and external). Getting rid of these modulations and becoming "constant" in self gives full control over a shakti (and all shaktis) and methods like pranayama, swaroopa bhan etc. are all detailed everywhere in numerous books. NOTE that, at gross level, speech is given supreme importance in ones' spiritual evolution as its perhaps the most developed organ of expression of inner self at the gross level. So control of speech may be the first thing you would like to do to proceed in this area. Every mantra has a deity and the deity has a shakti, which is the aim of the person reciting mantra. There is a first test of suitability of mantra for the person, actually a matching of persons' name and name of deity of the mantra is required. Check out www.astroexpert.com for matching of a mantra deity to you. There is much much more to it but the basics remain the same and this is the field where practice of basics will help you more than anything else because finally akshara is the key (compounded words are just the derivations for very specific aims). regards, nitish --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > Hi Nitish, > > Can you explain the types of mantras, since you > explained Prasiddha so > nicely? Understanding which mantras are Prasiddha > and which mantras > require transmission is important. > > Dhanyavaada, > > Kailash > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Hi kailash, Well, I will check out and give you some basic set of categorizations of mantras on monday. You can check the book " Vedic remedies in astrology" by Pandit Sanjay Rath. Check out his web-sites and his organization Sri Jagannatha Center (SJC) also for mantras etc. http://srath.com/ http://.org/mantra/misc.htm http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/ Vedic Remedies in astrology is in english and it contains a lot of information about finding personal deities from birth chart like ishta devata, palana devata, dharma devata etc., each of which being specific to an individual are good to start with. Lots and lots of information can also be found in Sri Jagannatha Centers' mailing lists of which "vedic astrology" is open to all (i.e. without being the member of the list). It is full of information archives and all, you can ask queries, get specific mantra from SJCs' gurus, find out when will you get a mantra or got a mantra based on your personal horoscope etc. If you send me your birth-data I will look at it and tell you the mantra for your ishta devata on monday. I myself started with yoga-asanas, read a book on kundalini yoga, subsequently read astrology (this helped to reason out my own position wrt past events and future course to a reasonable extent), and from astrology I realized the importance of shaktis' and therefore shakti sadhana to do anything and everything I wish to. regards, nitish --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > Namaste, > > Thank you for your post. I have been studying > Sanskrit for two years, > and things are starting to make sense. My guru, > Karunamayi Amma, has > given me mantra diksha, and so I am practicing that. > However, many > people ask me what kind of categories there are for > mantras, and that is > why I asked if you could list them. I checked out > the Mantra Rahasya > book, and it's not in English, so that's a problem > > > So if there is any way you could enumerate briefly > on the mantric > categories that would be greatly appreciated! > > Kailash > > > Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] > Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:46 AM > > RE: re: Om Mani Padhme > Hum: another question, > oops > > > Hello kailash, > I, myself, am a beginner in this vast area of > mantra shastra, which is why I would rather give you > a > reference to a few books that you can look at for a > complete answer to your question. > The book that I have is "Mantra Rahasya" authored by > Dr. NarayanDutt shrimali (check out > http://www.siddhashram.org/) and is well suited to > people who are beginning in this field. > > I would just add a word of my own understanding. > First thing is that there are multiple ways to > categorize mantras, and am not very much familiar > with > this aspect. The basis of mantra shastra, however, > lies in the Sanskrit Aksharmala - or the garland of > kali and One needs to first understand and > "establish" > oneself in the shaktis (different kind of energies) > associated with the consonants and vowels of > Sanskrit > as part of a step by step growth. I am still > learning > this aspect. However, I will give u a clue to start > with. > > Fundamentally, different activities require > different energies, each of which can be seen in > relation to the various capabilities of a person > (e.g. > gross capabilities like ability to speak,move,digest > food; subtle capabilities like feeling, willpower, > believing, modulating the breath; subtler > capabilities > like thinking, controlling ones' attention, > visualizing; still higher ones' like the sense of > personality etc.). Now, all these energies are every > persons' natural potential, but are expressed with > different "intensity" in each one. > > NOTE that "intensity of expression" simply means - > initial differentiation of a particular > shakti/capability from other energies (or > recognition > of a shakti/capability i.e. to say that a person > knows > what is required to speak and what is required to > walk > say) and subsequent "establishment" (full > recognition) > of oneself in that energy/mode of expression of > ones' > own self to gain complete control/understanding of > that shakti. This comes through single-pointedness > or > something like dissolution of all the other > differentiated energies (including sense of > personality) in the same self from where they > initially began differentiation while excercising a > particular shakti. > > For the gross level, these shaktis' are channelized > through various pranas in the pranic body, which is > "established" in your gross body (outer form) by > virtue of your souls' desire to live out your karma > and incomplete desires etc. in this material world. > While the basis of all the energies remains ones' > own > self which is unchanging, at lower levels like > pranic > body (sustained by breath), there are modulations of > prana in various organs during a day and therefore > modulations in the levels of various shaktis' as a > result of the total environment (internal and > external). Getting rid of these modulations and > becoming "constant" in self gives full control over > a > shakti (and all shaktis) and methods like pranayama, > swaroopa bhan etc. are all detailed everywhere in > numerous books. > > NOTE that, at gross level, speech is given supreme > importance in ones' spiritual evolution as its > perhaps > the most developed organ of expression of inner self > at the gross level. So control of speech may be the > first thing you would like to do to proceed in this > area. > > Every mantra has a deity and the deity has a > shakti, which is the aim of the person reciting > mantra. There is a first test of suitability of > mantra > for the person, actually a matching of persons' name > and name of deity of the mantra is required. Check > out > www.astroexpert.com for matching of a mantra deity > to > you. There is much much more to it but the basics > remain the same and this is the field where practice > of basics will help you more than anything else > because finally akshara is the key (compounded words > are just the derivations for very specific aims). > > regards, > nitish > > --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > > Hi Nitish, > > > > Can you explain the types of mantras, since you > > explained Prasiddha so > > nicely? Understanding which mantras are Prasiddha > > and which mantras > > require transmission is important. > > > > Dhanyavaada, > > > > Kailash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Hello gita, My understanding is that two (Kundalini and Nyasaa) are "similar". Similar because different systems are based on different perspective and if there is a place in your body where what you think is what happens (Heart chakra, Agya chakra), perspectives matter irrespective of the "reality" they represent!!! But "reality" shouldn't depend upon perspectives, by virtue of existence of multiple perspectives. Cannot equate the two except through aksharamala (which remains the same, check out if your akshara nyasa is with beejakshara like in kundalini petals or otherwise). May be the two represent different aspects of the same energy i.e. Concentrated in chakras of kundalini yoga and Distributed across body organs in Akshara nyasa, two being connected through nadis'. No, I don't have knowledge of books regarding this, but u may visit some interesting sites like www.shivashakti.com and do some reading. regards, nitish --- gitaprana <gitaprana wrote: > Namaste Kailash-I would like to ask about the > aksharamala of Kali . Each head stands for one > akshara, which in turn, governs a specific energy > and ultimately manifests in the physical body? In > the kundalini system, the aksharas are arrayed on > the different petals of each cakra and each cakra > has its physical domain. In the puja I know, the > process of nyasa places the aksharas at specific > points of the body-eyes, ears, etc. Are either of > these 2 ways of relating the matrikas to the body > energies the same as what you are describing? Are > there books in English, besides GARLAND OF LETTERS, > that deal with the aksharamala? Jai Ma, Gita > - > Nitish Arya > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:45 AM > RE: re: Om Mani Padhme > Hum: another question, oops > > > Hello kailash, > I, myself, am a beginner in this vast area of > mantra shastra, which is why I would rather give > you a > reference to a few books that you can look at for > a > complete answer to your question. > The book that I have is "Mantra Rahasya" authored > by > Dr. NarayanDutt shrimali (check out > http://www.siddhashram.org/) and is well suited to > people who are beginning in this field. > > I would just add a word of my own > understanding. > First thing is that there are multiple ways to > categorize mantras, and am not very much familiar > with > this aspect. The basis of mantra shastra, however, > lies in the Sanskrit Aksharmala - or the garland > of > kali and One needs to first understand and > "establish" > oneself in the shaktis (different kind of > energies) > associated with the consonants and vowels of > Sanskrit > as part of a step by step growth. I am still > learning > this aspect. However, I will give u a clue to > start > with. > > Fundamentally, different activities require > different energies, each of which can be seen in > relation to the various capabilities of a person > (e.g. > gross capabilities like ability to > speak,move,digest > food; subtle capabilities like feeling, willpower, > believing, modulating the breath; subtler > capabilities > like thinking, controlling ones' attention, > visualizing; still higher ones' like the sense of > personality etc.). Now, all these energies are > every > persons' natural potential, but are expressed with > different "intensity" in each one. > > NOTE that "intensity of expression" simply means - > initial differentiation of a particular > shakti/capability from other energies (or > recognition > of a shakti/capability i.e. to say that a person > knows > what is required to speak and what is required to > walk > say) and subsequent "establishment" (full > recognition) > of oneself in that energy/mode of expression of > ones' > own self to gain complete control/understanding of > that shakti. This comes through single-pointedness > or > something like dissolution of all the other > differentiated energies (including sense of > personality) in the same self from where they > initially began differentiation while excercising > a > particular shakti. > > For the gross level, these shaktis' are > channelized > through various pranas in the pranic body, which > is > "established" in your gross body (outer form) by > virtue of your souls' desire to live out your > karma > and incomplete desires etc. in this material > world. > While the basis of all the energies remains ones' > own > self which is unchanging, at lower levels like > pranic > body (sustained by breath), there are modulations > of > prana in various organs during a day and therefore > modulations in the levels of various shaktis' as a > result of the total environment (internal and > external). Getting rid of these modulations and > becoming "constant" in self gives full control > over a > shakti (and all shaktis) and methods like > pranayama, > swaroopa bhan etc. are all detailed everywhere in > numerous books. > > NOTE that, at gross level, speech is given supreme > importance in ones' spiritual evolution as its > perhaps > the most developed organ of expression of inner > self > at the gross level. So control of speech may be > the > first thing you would like to do to proceed in > this > area. > > Every mantra has a deity and the deity has a > shakti, which is the aim of the person reciting > mantra. There is a first test of suitability of > mantra > for the person, actually a matching of persons' > name > and name of deity of the mantra is required. Check > out > www.astroexpert.com for matching of a mantra deity > to > you. There is much much more to it but the basics > remain the same and this is the field where > practice > of basics will help you more than anything else > because finally akshara is the key (compounded > words > are just the derivations for very specific aims). > > regards, > nitish > > --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > > Hi Nitish, > > > > Can you explain the types of mantras, since you > > explained Prasiddha so > > nicely? Understanding which mantras are > Prasiddha > > and which mantras > > require transmission is important. > > > > Dhanyavaada, > > > > Kailash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Wow. Thank you so much. Panditji has some excellent articles! Kailash Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] Friday, May 09, 2003 6:13 AM RE: re: Om Mani Padhme Hum: another question, oops Hi kailash, Well, I will check out and give you some basic set of categorizations of mantras on monday. You can check the book " Vedic remedies in astrology" by Pandit Sanjay Rath. Check out his web-sites and his organization Sri Jagannatha Center (SJC) also for mantras etc. http://srath.com/ http://.org/mantra/misc.htm http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/ Vedic Remedies in astrology is in english and it contains a lot of information about finding personal deities from birth chart like ishta devata, palana devata, dharma devata etc., each of which being specific to an individual are good to start with. Lots and lots of information can also be found in Sri Jagannatha Centers' mailing lists of which "vedic astrology" is open to all (i.e. without being the member of the list). It is full of information archives and all, you can ask queries, get specific mantra from SJCs' gurus, find out when will you get a mantra or got a mantra based on your personal horoscope etc. If you send me your birth-data I will look at it and tell you the mantra for your ishta devata on monday. I myself started with yoga-asanas, read a book on kundalini yoga, subsequently read astrology (this helped to reason out my own position wrt past events and future course to a reasonable extent), and from astrology I realized the importance of shaktis' and therefore shakti sadhana to do anything and everything I wish to. regards, nitish --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > Namaste, > > Thank you for your post. I have been studying > Sanskrit for two years, > and things are starting to make sense. My guru, > Karunamayi Amma, has > given me mantra diksha, and so I am practicing that. > However, many > people ask me what kind of categories there are for > mantras, and that is > why I asked if you could list them. I checked out > the Mantra Rahasya > book, and it's not in English, so that's a problem > > > So if there is any way you could enumerate briefly > on the mantric > categories that would be greatly appreciated! > > Kailash > > > Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] > Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:46 AM > > RE: re: Om Mani Padhme > Hum: another question, > oops > > > Hello kailash, > I, myself, am a beginner in this vast area of > mantra shastra, which is why I would rather give you > a > reference to a few books that you can look at for a > complete answer to your question. > The book that I have is "Mantra Rahasya" authored by > Dr. NarayanDutt shrimali (check out > http://www.siddhashram.org/) and is well suited to > people who are beginning in this field. > > I would just add a word of my own understanding. > First thing is that there are multiple ways to > categorize mantras, and am not very much familiar > with > this aspect. The basis of mantra shastra, however, > lies in the Sanskrit Aksharmala - or the garland of > kali and One needs to first understand and > "establish" > oneself in the shaktis (different kind of energies) > associated with the consonants and vowels of > Sanskrit > as part of a step by step growth. I am still > learning > this aspect. However, I will give u a clue to start > with. > > Fundamentally, different activities require > different energies, each of which can be seen in > relation to the various capabilities of a person > (e.g. > gross capabilities like ability to speak,move,digest > food; subtle capabilities like feeling, willpower, > believing, modulating the breath; subtler > capabilities > like thinking, controlling ones' attention, > visualizing; still higher ones' like the sense of > personality etc.). Now, all these energies are every > persons' natural potential, but are expressed with > different "intensity" in each one. > > NOTE that "intensity of expression" simply means - > initial differentiation of a particular > shakti/capability from other energies (or > recognition > of a shakti/capability i.e. to say that a person > knows > what is required to speak and what is required to > walk > say) and subsequent "establishment" (full > recognition) > of oneself in that energy/mode of expression of > ones' > own self to gain complete control/understanding of > that shakti. This comes through single-pointedness > or > something like dissolution of all the other > differentiated energies (including sense of > personality) in the same self from where they > initially began differentiation while excercising a > particular shakti. > > For the gross level, these shaktis' are channelized > through various pranas in the pranic body, which is > "established" in your gross body (outer form) by > virtue of your souls' desire to live out your karma > and incomplete desires etc. in this material world. > While the basis of all the energies remains ones' > own > self which is unchanging, at lower levels like > pranic > body (sustained by breath), there are modulations of > prana in various organs during a day and therefore > modulations in the levels of various shaktis' as a > result of the total environment (internal and > external). Getting rid of these modulations and > becoming "constant" in self gives full control over > a > shakti (and all shaktis) and methods like pranayama, > swaroopa bhan etc. are all detailed everywhere in > numerous books. > > NOTE that, at gross level, speech is given supreme > importance in ones' spiritual evolution as its > perhaps > the most developed organ of expression of inner self > at the gross level. So control of speech may be the > first thing you would like to do to proceed in this > area. > > Every mantra has a deity and the deity has a > shakti, which is the aim of the person reciting > mantra. There is a first test of suitability of > mantra > for the person, actually a matching of persons' name > and name of deity of the mantra is required. Check > out > www.astroexpert.com for matching of a mantra deity > to > you. There is much much more to it but the basics > remain the same and this is the field where practice > of basics will help you more than anything else > because finally akshara is the key (compounded words > are just the derivations for very specific aims). > > regards, > nitish > > --- Jesse Arana <jessearana wrote: > > Hi Nitish, > > > > Can you explain the types of mantras, since you > > explained Prasiddha so > > nicely? Understanding which mantras are Prasiddha > > and which mantras > > require transmission is important. > > > > Dhanyavaada, > > > > Kailash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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