Yoga is the cessation of mind -- chittavrittinirodha

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, Friends of Osho

> Yoga is the cessation of mind.

 

Namaste,

 

Sutra #2

The control of the _waves of thought of the mind_ is Yoga.

 

This sutra implies two states of Chitta (mind).

 

Vyutthana chitta: the one that perceives the "world/self" in an

uncontrolled way.

 

Nirodha chitta: the one the perceives the "world/self" in a

controlled way (disiplined mind).

 

When the mind is _steady_ (focused) samadhi is "happens".

 

Sutra#3

Then (when the thought waves are controlled) the Yogi is

established in _his own nature_.

 

 

Sutra#4

When the "seer" is not established in his true nature, the "seer"

appears the same as the "thought waves" in the "mind".

 

 

In my view, we all need the mind, with out it, you could not

read/post here, or do Yoga. To say that one has to "kill the mind"

is misleading. What we need is to focus the mind, so

that uncontrolled thoght waves can not exist.

 

I should give credit here to Baba Hari Das, he is a true Baba

(in my view).

 

Peace, Justice and equal Rights, for all Tribes of all Nations.

 

Raspects to all,

Ozai

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OM Rasozai

 

Raja Yoga Sutra 2 is usually translated as "Yoga is restraining

the activities of the mind." This is significantly different from your

proposed translation of "The control of the _waves of thought of

the mind_ is Yoga."

 

The aim is not just to control thought waves, although that is an

admirable and necessary first step. The true aim of that sutra is

to restrain the activities of the mind, to prevent them from moving

outward under the impetus of the senses and ultimately to

prevent those waves from arising at all.

 

Chitta has one of five forms:

1. kshipta or scattered

2. mudha or darkening or dull

3. vikshipta or gathering or centering

4. ekagrata or one-pointed, concentrated

5. niruddha or absolute suspension of activity leading to

samadhi.

 

This second sutra is not just urging the aspirant to develop a

controlled or disciplined way of looking at the world and oneself,

but rather to see beyond the detail of the universe and know

Brahman.

 

Raja Yoga Sutra 3 is usually translated as "At that time (when the

thought waves are stilled), the perceiver rests in his own true

nature." This again is significantly different from your proposed

translation of "Then (when the thought waves are controlled) the

Yogi is established in _his own nature_."

 

Think of a lake. The water is consciousness, the waves are

conscious thoughts and the currents are the subconscious

thoughts. When the wind (ego and senses) dies down, the

surface of the lake becomes still. When the underwater currents

(subconscious thoughts) are also stilled, one can see clear to

the bottom. Similarly, when the mind is stilled and the

subconscious issues are dealt with, the aspirant becomes

aware of his/her Divine Nature.

 

Raja Yoga Sutra 4 is usually translated as "When the mind is not

concentrated, the perceiver identifies with its modifications."

Again, this is different from your proposed translation of "When

the "seer" is not established in his true nature, the "seer"

appears the same as the "thought waves" in the "mind".

 

The fourth sutra is saying that when the mind is not concentrated

(on Brahman), then it identifies with sensory data, emotions,

mistaken interpretations, that continuously flow through it. This

misidentification gives the mistaken notion of a universe of

separation, estrangement, competition and war. And all because

of a belief that the flawed evidence of flawed senses constitute

reality. The mesmerization of the senses obscures the chakras

as the true doorways of Satchidananda.

 

You claim "In my view, we all need the mind, with out it, you could

not read/post here, or do Yoga." But how important is reading or

posting here when compared to the true purpose of humankind

of coming to Brahman. Yoga is union with Brahman. That

doesn't happen when the mind is filled the untrue and obscuring

details of the senses and ego.

 

OM Namah Sivaya

 

Omprem

 

, "rasozai"

<rasozai> wrote:

> , Friends of Osho

> > Yoga is the cessation of mind.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Sutra #2

> The control of the _waves of thought of the mind_ is Yoga.

>

> This sutra implies two states of Chitta (mind).

>

> Vyutthana chitta: the one that perceives the "world/self" in an

> uncontrolled way.

>

> Nirodha chitta: the one the perceives the "world/self" in a

> controlled way (disiplined mind).

>

> When the mind is _steady_ (focused) samadhi is "happens".

>

> Sutra#3

> Then (when the thought waves are controlled) the Yogi is

> established in _his own nature_.

>

>

> Sutra#4

> When the "seer" is not established in his true nature, the "seer"

> appears the same as the "thought waves" in the "mind".

>

>

> In my view, we all need the mind, with out it, you could not

> read/post here, or do Yoga. To say that one has to "kill the

mind"

> is misleading. What we need is to focus the mind, so

> that uncontrolled thoght waves can not exist.

>

> I should give credit here to Baba Hari Das, he is a true Baba

> (in my view).

>

> Peace, Justice and equal Rights, for all Tribes of all Nations.

>

> Raspects to all,

> Ozai