Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 Osho: Pain and pleasure are intrinsic parts of life. People are so much afraid of pain that they repress pain, they avoid any situation that brings pain, they go on dodging pain. And finally they stumble upon the fact that if you really want to avoid pain you will have to avoid pleasure. That's why your monks avoid pleasure -- they are afraid of pleasure. In fact they are simply avoiding all possibilities of pain. They know that if you avoid pleasure then naturally great pain is not possible; it comes only as a shadow of pleasure. Then you walk on the plain ground -- you never move on the peaks and you never fall into the valleys. But then you are living dead, then you are not alive. Life exists between this polarity. This tension between pain and pleasure makes you capable of creating great music; music exists only in this tension. Destroy the polarity and you will be dull, you will be stale, you will be dusty -- you won't have any meaning and you will never know what splendor is. You will have missed life. The man who wants to know life and live life has to accept and embrace death. They come together, they are two aspects of a single phenomenon. That's why growth is painful. You have to go into all those pains that you have been avoiding. It hurts. You have to go through all those wounds that somehow you have managed not to look at. But the deeper you go into pain, the deeper is your capacity to go into pleasure. If you can go into pain to the uttermost limit, you will be able to touch heaven. To be free of pain the pain has to be accepted, inevitably and naturally. Pain is pain -- a simple painful fact. Suffering however is only and always the refusal of pain, the claim that life should not be painful. It is the rejection of a fact, the denial of life and of the nature of things. Death is the mind that minds dying. Where there is no fear of death, who is there to die? Man is unique among creatures in his knowledge of death and in his laughter. Wonderfully then, he can even make of death a new thing: he can die laughing. It is only man who knows laughter; no other animal laughs. It is only man who knows death; no other animal knows death -- animals simply die, they are not conscious of the phenomenon of death. Man is aware of two things which no animal is: one is laughter, another is death. Then a new synthesis is possible. It is only man who can die laughing -- he can join the consciousness of death and the capacity to laugh. And if you can die laughing, only then will you give a valid proof that you must have lived laughing. conclusion, the concluding remark. How you have lived will be shown by your death, how you die. Can you die laughing? Then you were a grown-up person. If you die crying, weeping, clinging, then you were a child. You were not grown-up, you were immature. If you die crying, weeping, clinging to life, that simply shows you have been avoiding death and you have been avoiding all pains, all kinds of pains. Growth is facing the reality, encountering the fact, whatsoever it is. And let me repeat: Pain is simply pain; there is no suffering in it. Suffering comes from your desire that the pain should not be there, that there is something wrong in pain. Watch, witness, and you will be surprised. You have a headache: the pain is there but suffering is not there. Suffering is a secondary phenomenon, pain is primary. The headache is there, the pain is there; it is simply a fact. There is no judgment about it -- you don't call it good or bad, you don't give it any value; it is just a fact. The rose is a fact, so is the thorn. The day is a fact, so is the night. The head is a fact, so is the headache. You simply take note of it. Buddha taught his disciples that when you have a headache simply say twice "Headache, headache." Take note. But don't evaluate, don't say, "Why? Why has this headache happened to me? It should not happen to me." The moment you say, "It should not," you bring suffering in. Now suffering is created by you, not by the headache. Suffering is your antagonistic interpretation, suffering is your denial of the fact. And the moment you say, "It should not be," you have started avoiding it, you have started turning yourself away from it. You would like to be occupied in something so that you can forget it. You turn the radio or the tell on or you go to the club or you start reading or you go and start working in the garden -- you divert yourself, you distract yourself. Now that pain has not been witnessed; you have simply distracted yourself. That pain will be absorbed by the system. Let this key be very deeply understood: If you can witness your headache without taking any antagonistic attitude, without avoiding it, without escaping from it; if you can just be there, meditatively there -- "Headache, headache" -- if you can just simply see it, the headache will go in its time. I am not saying that it will go miraculously, that just by your seeing it will go. It will go in its time. But it will not be absorbed by your system, it will not poison your system. It will be there, you will take note of it, and it will be gone. It will be released. When you witness a certain thing in yourself it cannot enter into your system. It always enters when you avoid it, when you escape from it. When you become absent then it enters into your system. Only when you are absent can a pain become part of your being -- if you are present your very presence prevents it from becoming part of your being. And if you can go on seeing your pains you will not be accumulating them. You have not teen taught the right clue, so you go on avoiding. Then you accumulate so much pain, you are afraid to face it, you are afraid to accept it. Growth becomes painful -- it is because of wrong conditioning. Otherwise growth is not painful, growth is utterly pleasant. Excerpted from The Revolution, The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 "I Have So Much pain Inside, What Can I Do?" My approach : Let it be. Feel the pain and enjoy it. Explore it and try to find meanings to it. You will learn something from that painful experience. It makes you a better person thereafter. This is my personal belief: Pain is part and parcel of living. To be alive means to experience pain, only the dead don't feel pain. That is why you don't need an anesthesia when doing a post mortem. If you consider pain as sufferings then it becomes a suffering, but if you take it as an indication that you are still alive and have the ability to feel the pain (weather emotionally or physically) then the pain becomes a blessing. An awareness of your existence and the functioning of your other senses. I used to perform wound dressings. This is what I normally told them especially those who can't tolerate pain: "look if you do feel pain, then its good. Means your body senses is still functioning and your wound is healing. You will have to start to worry when you don't feel any pain at all ". I prefer to let the mind overcoming the pain instead of using the painkillers. Everything is in the mind. The mind is a very powerful tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 That statement is very true . It was very inspirational to me. Every living being experiences pain. The mind is truly the source of a lot of emotions that we experience. N. Jones-El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 "That statement is very true . It was very inspirational to me. Every living being experiences pain. The mind is truly the source of a lot of emotions that we experience" You think so! I question that statement sometimes. I have not experience death, so how do I know that the dead don't feel pain, just because the medical expert says so it does not mean they are right. They make mistakes too. Is it the mind that gives us this set of emotions or the brain? Can we separate the mind and the brain? What do you think Naima Jones-El? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Hello Nora: Although you didn't direct your question to me, I wanted to respond because I had the same thought that you did about whether the dead feel. Also, I think that we can not really know what animals are conscious of or not, or what or how they know, or don't know. Mary Ann , "Nora" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > "That statement is very true . It was very inspirational to me. > Every > living being experiences pain. The mind is truly the source of a lot > of emotions that we experience" > > You think so! I question that statement sometimes. I have not > experience death, so how do I know that the dead don't feel pain, > just because the medical expert says so it does not mean they are > right. They make mistakes too. > > Is it the mind that gives us this set of emotions or the brain? Can > we separate the mind and the brain? > > What do you think Naima Jones-El? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Well, I think that the Brain and the Mind are two separate entities. I think the Mind controls the Brain. The Brain just coordinates the physical functions of the body. The mind is like the overseer of the brain . It tells the brain what to do. Without the mind the brain would not be able to function. The mind is much more subtle then the brain is. It not only is the overseer of all physical functions. But it is charge of the emotional, mental states. The mind is very vast. As far as pain goes. As far as physical pain goes the brain send out the physical pain to the various nerves throughout the body. But the mind is still the root of all pain, whether it be physical, emotional, etc. N. Jones-El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Hello Mary Ann Thanks. How are you? That statement is an open statement for everyone. Not directly to a specific person actually. I am just hoping that perhaps Naima Jones ( I have been typing unconsciously Nora Jones every time instead of Naima Jones. I just wonder why) would be able to offer her opinion especially with regards to the Brain and the Mind. "Also, I think that we can not really know what animals are conscious of or not, or what or how they know, or don't know" Interesting question. I always have this believe that animals especially cats can read our "mind". I know my cats especially blackie-the-rascal-cat does. My father used to tell me : "how do I know that you are on your way home? Observe your cats. They seems to know all the time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Namashkar Naima ! Anyone who is familiar with the pancha-koshas or five sheaths knows that the brain and the mind are two separate entities. the five sheaths are the anna-maya-kosha or the "Sheath made of Food" the prana-maya-kosha "the Sheath made of Vital Breath (prana)" the mano--maya-kosha "the Sheath made of Mind (manas)" the vijnana-maya-kosha or "the Sheath made of Consciousness or intellect (vijnana)" the ananda-maya-kosha or "the Sheath made of Bliss (ananda)", where one attains to BraHman! Hari OM tat sat ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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