The story of two Sadhak

[Guest guest]

Traditionally, mantras are given only to ppl who are great bhaktas.

Some get mantropadesha earlier in life some get it a little later

based on their purva janma karmas.

 

No guru initiates somebody who is devoid of bhakti.

 

When initiated, the fruit of japa is obtained according to the

shraddha and bhakti the mantrika(one who practices mantra japa)

possesses, and it does not depend on which peetham or ashrama gave

the mantra. No devata is going to look at that.

 

No matter how uncomfortable it feels, the fact remains that devatas

respond faster when approached thru mantras.

 

rgds

[Guest guest]

"No matter how uncomfortable it feels, the fact remains that devatas

respond faster when approached thru mantras"

 

I dont think so its about being uncomfortable, but the need to

questions some of our actions.

 

I was told "once you are initiated, your ego drops".

 

I have been trying to understand this and from what I have learn so

far from this list and many other, initiation sometimes does not lead

one to drop this "ego" but makes them more prideful and arrogance.

[Guest guest]

Once sadhaka starts mantra japa the devata Himself/Herself leads

him towards chitta suddhi i.e getting rid of arishadvargas. Doing

mantra japa purifies the mind. That is the reason it is taken up or

sometimes japa is just done out of love for the God/dess. Getting

rid of ego happens but after a long time.

 

One more thing: We are in no position to measure other's ego. It is

just not possible, unless you know that person very closely. At least

not for ppl whom you know only thru a couple of mails or postings.

Moreover the mantradhishtana devata takes care of sadhaka's ego and

we need not worry about that.

 

rgds

[Guest guest]

fredagen den 6 juni 2003 04.31 skrev Satish Arigela:

> When initiated, the fruit of japa is obtained according to the

> shraddha and bhakti the mantrika(one who practices mantra japa)

> possesses, and it does not depend on which peetham or ashrama gave

> the mantra. No devata is going to look at that.

 

I wish I could say that initiation is not necessary, and that it is possible

to reach bhakti without it. Of course I can say it, but unfortunately I am

initiatied myself, and in addition put my complete life in the hands of my

guru and let him do what he wanted with me. So who is going to believe me?

 

If I am allowed to say it, for me it often looks like the persons who only

study, study, and don't have the personal guidance from the guru, often have

problems to figure out what is right and wrong, what is essential and what is

not and often don't get a kind of clearity. On the other hand, I think it

looks like those who have a proper training and initiation from a guru, often

are much more to the point, and know their own process very good, and get a

kind of vision what is according to the process and what is not.

 

One thing is clear, that having a good guru, it is so much simpler to reach

the result of the chosen process. Now, I have been under the guidance of my

guru for 18 years, so I can't imagine how many years it would take for

someone without a guru. But it might be possible. Maybe I am just slow in

understanding and learning?

 

I think bhakti is one of the harder yoga paths and not one of the simpler. It

is very slow to give result. It gives some result fast, but then it takes a

very long time to solidify that result and make it steady and permanent.

 

Anyway, I don't think anyone is going to belive me. And I am not sure I care.

I am happy with what I have gone through, and it was well worth the time it

took. And the path is not ended. There is no end to bhakti.

 

Prisni

[Guest guest]

"I wish I could say that initiation is not necessary, and that it

is possible to reach bhakti without it. Of course I can say it, but

unfortunately I am initiatied myself, and in addition put my complete

life in the hands of my guru and let him do what he wanted with

me"

 

Thank you prisni, as usual I always love to read your message, most

often clear and balanced. I do not deny that there is a need for

initiation. I look forward for that day myself, if its Devi will, it

will happen. Mean times we have to go on with our own sadhana. Might

be slower as you said, but its better than nothing. Some might say :

What's the rush? Why this need be in a hurry?

 

Somebody asked me once : Nora what is like to be initiated. Since I

am not I can only an answer based on my personal understanding. Do

correct me if you think I am wrong.

 

"you will leave a different person I guess , A different feeling.

A feeling of not being afraid anymore and a feeling of : now I know

where I am to go and my path is clear in front of me. It is like

driving a car. The road you drive is there before you but you are

still not sure. But now you have the instruction and suddenly the

road signs becomes clear and meaningful and you can drive to your

destination confidently because you know you are in the right

track"

 

But again there are people who don't need the map as they already

have this navigational skills inbound in them or you don't need a

person to be your side, for you already have a reliable map with you.

Travelling with a companion can be fun, but to some traveling alone (

especially loners ) too can achieve the same result.

 

Then we too must remember that we are in the age where there are

people who like to pretend to be Guru. Claimed to have been

initiated and goes on giving deeksha to shishyas. These poor Shishyas

believed in the statement of these "Gurus" and accept the

deeksha in all faith.

 

I had an interesting discussion with regards to this, about this

constant need of having a Guru with my co moderator, Shri Sankara

Menon this afternoon and this is what he have said : "Lakshmi

Dhara

and Karapatra swami and the author of srividyaarnnava foresaw a

situation where written media would be the Guru and every one feels

the time has come". Perhaps I shall let Shri Sankara Menon

elaborate

on this.

[Guest guest]

fredagen den 6 juni 2003 17.41 skrev Nora:

> Thank you prisni, as usual I always love to read your message, most

> often clear and balanced. I do not deny that there is a need for

> initiation. I look forward for that day myself, if its Devi will, it

> will happen. Mean times we have to go on with our own sadhana. Might

> be slower as you said, but its better than nothing. Some might say :

> What's the rush? Why this need be in a hurry?

 

We will reincarnate, and reincarnate. There is no death. So actually there is

no hurry either. Hurry is for those who does not know that that existence

continues after death. But then, mistakes are not fatal either. There will

always be another chance.

> Then we too must remember that we are in the age where there are

> people who like to pretend to be Guru. Claimed to have been

> initiated and goes on giving deeksha to shishyas. These poor Shishyas

> believed in the statement of these "Gurus" and accept the

> deeksha in all faith.

 

The world is full of them. But somehow I suspect that it has always been like

this. People have so many different desires and so many different goals, so

there needs to be teachers for all of them. I have been with one guru, and

could also observe how many different things his disciples wanted him to be.

Naturally he could not be all that, so some became disappointed. Thus some

considers him a false guru, and some a true (whatever that means).

 

Therefore I think one should try to find a teaches what one want to hear, not

the "perfect" teacher which might teach something else.

 

Prisni