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Thank you Eric for your statement. I like to shift this discussion to

another of which I feel is more applicable to our Sadhana.

 

You remark caught my attention "When I deal with the street kids

in

the US so full of hate and violence, it makes me sad. Genetics or

environments are what is said is the cause. But are they not born

with souls or spirits, too? The point or edge of morality rest with

the individual and in the moment."

 

I deal with children too (from broken homes, majority neglect and

several abusive background) and I often heard this statement from

Public: When the "roots" are bad, definitely the outcome too

is bad

no matter how hard we try to help them. I tend to disagree with this

statement. Are we not generalizing? I am interested to know does

parents pass down their "violent" or "abusive" genes

to the children?

I really like to look more in to this genetic issue. Aren't such

statement shows that even before they are willing to help these

children, they have already form an opinion. An unfavorable opinion

and could easily give up in trying to help these children altogether.

These are the pain and the wounds I am referring in my previous post

about healing. See message: 6359.

 

Some children because they are brought up in such a violent

environment, they develop this survival instincts. And they tend to

survive better in any future violent environment. You try to

introduce peace, they "die". Can we reverse this outcome? If

yes how?

I know many try to seek spiritual guidance with the hope to heal

this "wounds". But will they succeed?

 

As a nurse, performing wound dressings is one of my areas of

interest. I enjoy and to certain extent find it sometime an

obsession. The nastier the wound, the more I love it. Maggots are at

one time my best friends. To me it's like a challenge. I know

that I

can't just apply the necessary lotion and cover the wounds. I

need to

explore deeper into the wound. To make sure that there are no foreign

objects. No dead tissues. And if there is I need to remove/cut those

dead tissues. Then we access the viability of the wound. The flesh

surrounding the wound. Are they still viable or appear infected etc.

All these are done even before we decided to any suturing.

 

I am trying to apply this too in my dealing with children who have

undergone trauma. I really like to learn more as how does you handle

some of the cases that you have come across.

[Guest guest]

Nora, you are so right when you say you want to heal the cause of the wound.

The external wound is the manifestation of something deeper within the

being....something which has caused so much trauma that it had to manifest in

the physical body.

Healing has to start at the mental and emotional level and progress to the

physical. I find that this helps heals wounds faster. I am a Reiki and

Spiritual Healer, and do practise healing regularly, so empathise with you and

applaud you for what you are doing!

Love and Light of Devi be with you!

 

Rekha

 

Nora <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:Thank you Eric for your statement. I

like to shift this discussion to

another of which I feel is more applicable to our Sadhana.

 

You remark caught my attention "When I deal with the street kids

in

the US so full of hate and violence, it makes me sad. Genetics or

environments are what is said is the cause. But are they not born

with souls or spirits, too? The point or edge of morality rest with

the individual and in the moment."

 

I deal with children too (from broken homes, majority neglect and

several abusive background) and I often heard this statement from

Public: When the "roots" are bad, definitely the outcome too

is bad

no matter how hard we try to help them. I tend to disagree with this

statement. Are we not generalizing? I am interested to know does

parents pass down their "violent" or "abusive" genes

to the children?

I really like to look more in to this genetic issue. Aren't such

statement shows that even before they are willing to help these

children, they have already form an opinion. An unfavorable opinion

and could easily give up in trying to help these children altogether.

These are the pain and the wounds I am referring in my previous post

about healing. See message: 6359.

 

Some children because they are brought up in such a violent

environment, they develop this survival instincts. And they tend to

survive better in any future violent environment. You try to

introduce peace, they "die". Can we reverse this outcome? If

yes how?

I know many try to seek spiritual guidance with the hope to heal

this "wounds". But will they succeed?

 

As a nurse, performing wound dressings is one of my areas of

interest. I enjoy and to certain extent find it sometime an

obsession. The nastier the wound, the more I love it. Maggots are at

one time my best friends. To me it's like a challenge. I know

that I

can't just apply the necessary lotion and cover the wounds. I

need to

explore deeper into the wound. To make sure that there are no foreign

objects. No dead tissues. And if there is I need to remove/cut those

dead tissues. Then we access the viability of the wound. The flesh

surrounding the wound. Are they still viable or appear infected etc.

All these are done even before we decided to any suturing.

 

I am trying to apply this too in my dealing with children who have

undergone trauma. I really like to learn more as how does you handle

some of the cases that you have come across.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi -

 

I'll answer these part and section below.

> Thank you Eric for your statement. I like to shift this

> discussion onto another of which I feel is more applicable to

> our Sadhana.

 

Me, too!

> You remark caught my attention "When I deal with the street kids

> in the US so full of hate and violence, it makes me sad.

> Genetics or environments are what is said is the cause. But are

> they not born with souls or spirits, too? The point or edge

> of morality rest with the individual and in the moment."

>

> I deal with children too (from broken homes, majority neglect and

> several abusive background) and I often heard this statement from

> Public: When the "roots" are bad, definitely the outcome too

> is bad no matter how hard we try to help them. I tend to

> disagree with this statement. Are we not generalizing? I am

> interested to know does parents pass down their "violent"

> or "abusive" genes to the children?

 

There are so many things to discuss here. First, we are

generalizing here because probably for a group there might not be a

lot that can be done but on person to person basis it is a different

thing. Each person is different. I meet persons who are from really

terrible backgrounds and conditions who are genuinely good people.

Also, just the reverse. All the conditions were right but the people

come out full of anger or hate.

 

My sister has been a school teacher in an inner city school.

The mix is greater African American (Black) than whites. The

situations where the children live and family backgrounds are bad,

etc., but she manages to get them to learn to read and write to a

point that she tells me of this one or that one who is in college or

going to be a doctor or lawyer. I'll ask her what changed and it

might be a little thing such as pointing out how smart they are and

they don't need to spend their lives standing on the street courners.

She usually give them the classics to read and once on that path they

go onto greater things. She is very dedicated to a very difficult

task and quick to find that one opening that will make the change.

 

There has been a lot written about kids who manage to make it out

of a bad situation. A psychologist friend pointed out that there is

something to such children in their disposition and temperment even as

babies. Some seem to have come into the world with built in skills

for handling life. There might be one person like my sister who tells

them that they are worth something despite what others or the world

seems to be saying about them. That one little flower blooms and it

changes them.

 

From a personal experience, there a woman in my teens who hugged

and told me that I mattered. She told me that I needed to be caring

of myself and that there were other people who cared about me and what

I did with my life. That is where myself hate started to change

though it is has been a long journey to get to a place where I like

myself and the world with equal favor - and where I don't feel the

need to make less of someone else to be somehow greater.

 

It is those little moments and things that might make the

difference in the life of another to change and you might not know

what they are or how important they are.

> I really like to look more in to this genetic issue.

 

The problem is that we know so little about genetics really. The

sociologist, psychologist and biologist all have their explanation as

to say people why people are gay. The various religions have their

reasons for it. For example, the biologist will say it from hormones

or a gene. The psychologist will say it maybe from a mother who was

too loving or not loving enough to her children. Religious people

will say it is an issue of sin or karma. None of this we can say for

certain. When I ask my gay friends they tell me that they like being

with same sex partners. What we know is that there are some people

what are gay and some people who are straight.

 

I'm a redhead and I do know that in my younger days that I

carried quite a temper. Redheads are known for that. It took a lot

of work and trying one thing then another to get to a point where I

can stay pretty calm through most conversations. Who I was 20 years

ago is not exactly the same person that is here now. I've met some

redheads without tempers.

> Aren't such statement shows that even before they are willing

> to help these children, they have already form an opinion.

> An unfavorable opinion and could easily give up in trying to

> help these children altogether. These are the pain and the

> wounds I am referring in my previous post about healing.

> See message: 6359.

>

> Some children because they are brought up in such a violent

> environment, they develop this survival instincts. And they tend to

> survive better in any future violent environment. You try to

> introduce peace, they "die". Can we reverse this outcome? If

> yes how? I know many try to seek spiritual guidance with the

> hope to heal this "wounds". But will they succeed?

 

I think external opinions do create hinderances towards people

finding their true selves. We have all kinds of cultures and views

that really want us to turn off our creative spark and Individuality

that the Creator by any name has given us. As I was reading the

Vedas, individual people with their own quarks and personalities seems

to be a good thing. You see Khrishna addressing them respectfully and

lovingly. You see the same with Yaweh to the prophet Samuel in the

Old Testiment and Jesus with Peter and Zachius the tax collector. The

North American Indian stories, you see the same thing. But the

external culture wishes us to be something different than who we are.

That somehow we have to meet these or that set of standard before we

can be loved or accepted. In a J. Khrishnamurti retort, why do we do

that?

 

There is a book written my a New York City teacher named John Gatto

called DUMMING US DOWN. While in certain ways he wants to throw the

baby out with the bath water, there is certain truths that he found

there that seems to ring true in a number of "culture" sphere and that

is the strange aspect of public schools to teach children to conform

and never to trust their inner direction and guidence. The longer

they are involved with the school system, he found, the greater the

difficulty they have in being self aware. Instead of making themselve

more of who they are and freer, it makes them less. On top of that

you have all kinds of rewards to make the child feel less acceptable

by the culture in general if they don't fit that particular mold or

belief system. The ladder is always being raised.

 

You think you got the answer and there are a whole set of other

answers. I think that a big part of the wounding we see in the

people around us comes from that belief that there is a better

something out there that I ought to be and if I don't fit it, I

should hate myself. How many sparks have been put out by that

thinking?

 

We hear that same chatter in spiritual things, do we not? You need

to follow that teacher, meditation, posture to find Brahman when as

the Zenist would say Brahman is here and now. It is a difficult thing

to follow one's own truth.

>

> As a nurse, performing wound dressings is one of my areas of

> interest. I enjoy and to certain extent find it sometime an

> obsession. The nastier the wound, the more I love it. Maggots are at

> one time my best friends. To me it's like a challenge. I know

> that I can't just apply the necessary lotion and cover the

> wounds. I need to explore deeper into the wound. To make sure

> that there are no foreign objects. No dead tissues. And if there

> is I need to remove/cut those dead tissues. Then we access

> the viability of the wound. The flesh surrounding the wound.

> Are they still viable or appear infected etc.

> All these are done even before we decided to any suturing.

 

(( I had a nurse friend who told me the same thing about her obsession

with healing of wounds. She was a othopedic surgical nurse in a big

hospital in Cincinnati, Ohio. Deep bone infections were her

specialty. They didn't use maggot but a lot of irrigation to clean

out the wounds. But I have a story for you below your next comment.))

>

> I am trying to apply this too in my dealing with children who have

> undergone trauma. I really like to learn more as how does you handle

> some of the cases that you have come across.

 

I went to a hypnotist once after dealing with saddness of the end of a

relationship with my lover. This went on for a couple years over

her and finally I said enough. So the hypnotist caught the word

"wound" and asked my to describe if I had a physical wound how would

I treat it. With the exception of the maggots, it was pretty much how

you described it.

 

So indirectly in the hypnotic session he refered to my description and

how it would heal eventually and then the scare would form and then be

gone as if it never happened. About three day later the saddness and

grief over this woman was gone. Just like that.

 

So I would say that what you are talking about is not just a metaphore

but possibly what is the truth about the soul and spirit. Next, I

would say (and I'm not all knowing) but follow your spirit and find

out what it is saying about wounds in the physical sense as well as

the mental, the soul, and spiritual levels. That might be the images

to use in your healing practices. It may not be what the world or

the greatest gurus say, but it is your truth. If is works person to

person, so be it.

 

Your response caused me to think greatly. God bless you. What a

great soul you are.

 

Eric Otto

Cincinnati