Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 I read about the war between Aryan tribes and Vedic tribes in a book on Irish myths and legends, but the book did not go into much detail except to say that the Aryan tribes lost to the Vedic tribes, and then conquered their way west until they reached Ireland. If anyone could give more details (what the conflict was actualy about, the time frame this occurred in, etc.), or point the way to more data I would be greatful. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 , "blue_rose_guy" <blue_rose_guy> wrote: > I read about the war between Aryan tribes and Vedic tribes in a book > on Irish myths and legends, but the book did not go into much detail > except to say that the Aryan tribes lost to the Vedic tribes, and > then conquered their way west until they reached Ireland. If anyone > could give more details (what the conflict was actualy about, the > time frame this occurred in, etc.), or point the way to more data I > would be greatful. Thank you. And may I ask you, Europeans, what country you have ever raised to better conditions? Wherever you have found weaker races, you have exterminated them by the roots, as it were. You have settled on their lands, and they are gone for ever. What is the history of your America, your Australia, New Zealand, your Pacific Islands and South Africa? Where are those aboriginal races there today? They are all exterminated¾you have killed them outright, as if they were wild beasts. It is only where you have not the power to do so, and there only, that other nations are still alive. http://www.bharatvani.org/articles/swamijionait.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 aetherics writes: > And may I ask you, Europeans, what country you have ever raised to > better conditions? Wherever you have found weaker races, you have > exterminated them by the roots, as it were. You have settled on their > lands, and they are gone for ever. What is the history of your > America, your Australia, New Zealand, your Pacific Islands and South > Africa? Where are those aboriginal races there today? They are all > exterminated; you have killed them outright, as if they were wild > beasts. It is only where you have not the power to do so, and there > only, that other nations are still alive. You are talking about history as though it were an opera or a movie, and you imply that we moderns of European descent had some kind of control over our distant ancestors, and you imply that we are a "bad race." Survival of the fittest has existed for time out of mind, any anthropologist can tell you that. We "Europeans" and European-Americans [are] a group of many diverse races -- unlike the "pure" one-race society [that all racists, of whatever origin, claim] to be from. ... How racist to say Europeans and European-Americans are "outright killers" and exterminators, nation killers, and accuse us of looking at other human beings as wild beasts. [As if ALL] people, whoever they are, did not also kill off the competition when they moved into their current geographical territory. If your people did NOT do that, your people would not exist! The survivors exist, that is nature. Some higher power set things up that way. Karma plays an incredible role in everything, too, so [those who accuse other races of racism] might think about that before pointing fingers and accusing a people who love our children just as much as others love theirs, of stereotypical crimes like genocide. Genocide has taken place on this planet recently -- and not only by Europeans or Americans. Asians have done their share, too: "Killing fields," in SE Asia; modern child slavery and slaughter in Africa; killing whole Kurd villages in the North of Iraq and Shi'ite Muslims in the South; and the mass shooting of students in both Iran and China come to mind ... We don't even have to get into Tibet or the slaughter of whole Christian villages in Africa and Lebanon/Syria. I am so tired of people trying to put all Americans and many Europeans into a guilt trip. We're supposed to be so sorry, so penitent, going around full of self-loathing and awful guilt with blood of all these other nations we supposedly "killed" dripping from our hands ... Yet Europeans have SAVED many peoples, have ENDED slavery (the British and the Americans were the only countries to stand up and say enough to african slavery. Africans still practice it!). Europeans and European-Americans took on the horrible world Opium trade coming out of China that was destroying lives in 3 continents, including especially those in the villages where the crap was grown. It was a century-long battle and countless souls are "free" now because of it. World slavery, world hunger, world drug trade, world illnesses like the plague, tuberculosis, malaria and AIDS --- who else has taken on these demons, but the Europeans and European-Americans? You ask those of European descent using an accusatory tone to name "one country" we have "raised to better conditions," when there are dozens. I ask you the same question -- what country was raised to better conditions by your people, whoever they are? I have no idea your ethnic group, because I just joined this list last week (thanks to a kind invitation from someone.) By the way, Hello to you BlueRoseGuy, good to see you here. And I wish I knew the answer to your question about the long ago Aryan vs. Vedic conflict. It is a fascinating topic. It's sort of part of the Out-of-India vs. the Out-of-Africa theories, I guess. I've read many times that the Aryan race was not some european super-race like Hitler's evil claimed and taught. The Aryans were Indo-asians from near ancient India and did not have blond hair and blue eyes. Sincerely, Katia Romanoff, PhD Moderator GoddessChristians list at .com EuropeanAmericans list at Directress, Esoteric Mystery School & Seminary http://www.northernway.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 This is not a racial question, it is a historical one. Euro or Indian does not matter anyway, because we are related both geneticly and linguisticly. Maybe if we did not jump to conclusions, we would find peace more easily comes our way. I don't see any peace along the Pakistani border, and I have heard the stories of India's internal conflicts, so ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Ms. Katia! I was not aware you too are a member here, but then again I am not surprised! In Her name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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