An Invitation to our Shivites friends ! Shiva vs Shakti Tattva

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"At higher level there is only one tattava - SHIV tattava."

Just as I expected. LOL. Thank you for your reply to this message. I

have however managed to extract a discussion we had sometime back

between Devi Bhakta, Gene and Evil_Djinia with regards to Shiva and

Shakti Tattva.

 

http://shaktisadhana.50megs.com/Resource/Messageboard/Tattva.html

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LOL. Hey Nora thats why it is called "kashmir shaivism"; if it had

stated that shakti was the higher tattwa, then it would have been

called "kashmir shaktism";

 

but to be honest, there exists a fair amount of shakta literature

that purpots to siva being the supreme(eg certain verses in the SL

that say the divine mother worships the father and of course there

are verses in the SL that do vice versa too).

 

as a saivite, i must say that all saivites must give greater regard

to the divine mother than to divine father himself LOL for in the SL

again, shrimadacharya states that the father is always busy engaged

in meditation, so when his devotees need help, he does not always

respond in time; but the divine mother will not tolerate this, and

will immediately rush to the aid of all siva bhaktas:-)

 

JAI BHAVANI! JAI BHAVANI JAI BHAVANI!

yogaman

 

 

 

, "Nora"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "At higher level there is only one tattava - SHIV tattava."

> Just as I expected. LOL. Thank you for your reply to this message.

I

> have however managed to extract a discussion we had sometime back

> between Devi Bhakta, Gene and Evil_Djinia with regards to Shiva and

> Shakti Tattva.

>

> http://shaktisadhana.50megs.com/Resource/Messageboard/Tattva.html

[Guest guest]

"SL again, shrimadacharya states that the father is always busy

engaged in meditation, so when his devotees need help, he does not

always respond in time; but the divine mother will not tolerate this,

and will immediately rush to the aid of all siva bhaktas"

 

Exactly !!!! LOL. This is what Ive been telling my husband ( who is a

shivite himself. LOL ) Father is sleeping or busy, why disturb him.

Come to Mother. Look at HER, she is ever ready for you. If Mother

have the same key as Father to the Door, why disturb Father.

Don't

have to wait for HIM. LOL.

[Guest guest]

Pranam!

 

 

 

I am tempted to put a portion of my own lecture - "Human Upliftment through

Kashmir Shaivism"

 

 

 

Virendra.

 

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PARAM SHIVA AND HIS UNIVERSAL MANIFESTATION

 

 

 

PARAM SHIVA

 

 

 

Param Shiva is the ultimate reality who is the nature of Bliss itself and all

complete in Himself. He is beyond description, beyond all manifestation, beyond

limitation of form, time and space. He is eternal, infinite, all pervading, all

knowing and all powerful. In fact, this reality is ineffable and beyond all

descriptions.

 

 

 

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>From Param Shiva let us come to universal manifestation; let us have a look at

this creation of Lord. Kashmir Shaivism postulates 36 categories or "tattvas"

to explain the process of cosmic evolution. Let us keenly focus our attention to

this process of universal evolution or universal experience, i.e., from God hood

to Maya Shakti which is the veiling or obscuring force of nature leading to

various psycho - physical elements and finally the Panch Mahabhutas - five great

elements : Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Ether. Let us look further into this

great descent or the process of in-evolution, i.e. from God-hood to Man-hood.

 

 

 

SHIVA TATTVA

 

 

 

The first outward manifestation of the divine creative energy in the process of

cosmic evolution is called Shiva - Tattva. It is the initial creative movement

of Paramasiva. Further, it is the static aspect of consciousness or like

support of all things in the manifest world. It is like the bed of a river or

the canvas of a painting. It can never be seen, it can only be known by its

effects. In this condition, the emphasis is on the subject without any

awareness of the existence of the object.

 

 

 

SHAKTI TATTVA

 

 

 

Since the Shiva Tattva represents the passive aspect of the pure consciousness,

it is dependent upon the active or dynamic aspect to bring it into being.

This is called Shakti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tattva. Shakti is the active or kinetic aspect of consciousness. Just as an

artist pours out his delight in a poem, picture or song, even so the Supreme

pours out his delight in this manifestation called Shakti When Shakti is

predominant, supreme bliss is experienced.

 

 

 

Mahesvarananda puts it beautifully in Maharthamanjari. "He (i.e. Shiva) Himself

full of joy enhanced by the honey of the three corners of his heart, viz ICCHA,

JHANA AND KRIYA, raising up His face to gaze at His own splender is called

Shakti".

 

 

 

This Shakti Tattva or cosmic energy represents the force that produces a strain

or stress on the surface of the universal consciousness. It is said to have

three principal forms to account for the three fundamental psychological steps

that precede every action. Technically the first one is called ICHCHA SHAKTI,

the power of feeling oneself as supremely able and of an obsolutely irresistible

will. Second one is the JNANA SHAKTI, the power of knowledge or knowing of

consciousness. The KRIYA SHAKTI is the power of supreme action, creating or

assuming any and every form. One follows the other in logical succession.

 

 

 

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childofdevi <childofdevi wrote:

LOL. Hey Nora thats why it is called "kashmir shaivism"; if it had

stated that shakti was the higher tattwa, then it would have been

called "kashmir shaktism";

 

but to be honest, there exists a fair amount of shakta literature

that purpots to siva being the supreme(eg certain verses in the SL

that say the divine mother worships the father and of course there

are verses in the SL that do vice versa too).

 

as a saivite, i must say that all saivites must give greater regard

to the divine mother than to divine father himself LOL for in the SL

again, shrimadacharya states that the father is always busy engaged

in meditation, so when his devotees need help, he does not always

respond in time; but the divine mother will not tolerate this, and

will immediately rush to the aid of all siva bhaktas:-)

 

JAI BHAVANI! JAI BHAVANI JAI BHAVANI!

yogaman

 

 

 

, "Nora"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "At higher level there is only one tattava - SHIV tattava."

> Just as I expected. LOL. Thank you for your reply to this message.

I

> have however managed to extract a discussion we had sometime back

> between Devi Bhakta, Gene and Evil_Djinia with regards to Shiva and

> Shakti Tattva.

>

> http://shaktisadhana.50megs.com/Resource/Messageboard/Tattva.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Virendra-ji,

 

Thank you for the wonderful piece. Is there a good book that you can

recommend for reading more on this??

 

Regards

yogaman

>

>

>

> I am tempted to put a portion of my own lecture - "Human

Upliftment through Kashmir Shaivism"

>

>

>

> Virendra.

>

> ------------------------------

>

>

>

> PARAM SHIVA AND HIS UNIVERSAL MANIFESTATION

>

>

>

> PARAM SHIVA

>

>

>

> Param Shiva is the ultimate reality who is the nature of Bliss

itself and all complete in Himself. He is beyond description, beyond

all manifestation, beyond limitation of form, time and space. He is

eternal, infinite, all pervading, all knowing and all powerful. In

fact, this reality is ineffable and beyond all descriptions.

>

>

>

> Page 6

>

>

>

> From Param Shiva let us come to universal manifestation; let us

have a look at this creation of Lord. Kashmir Shaivism postulates 36

categories or "tattvas" to explain the process of cosmic evolution.

Let us keenly focus our attention to this process of universal

evolution or universal experience, i.e., from God hood to Maya Shakti

which is the veiling or obscuring force of nature leading to various

psycho - physical elements and finally the Panch Mahabhutas - five

great elements : Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Ether. Let us look

further into this great descent or the process of in-evolution, i.e.

from God-hood to Man-hood.

>

>

>

> SHIVA TATTVA

>

>

>

> The first outward manifestation of the divine creative energy in

the process of cosmic evolution is called Shiva - Tattva. It is the

initial creative movement of Paramasiva. Further, it is the static

aspect of consciousness or like support of all things in the manifest

world. It is like the bed of a river or the canvas of a painting.

It can never be seen, it can only be known by its effects. In this

condition, the emphasis is on the subject without any awareness of

the existence of the object.

>

>

>

> SHAKTI TATTVA

>

>

>

> Since the Shiva Tattva represents the passive aspect of the pure

consciousness, it is dependent upon the active or dynamic aspect

to bring it into being. This is called Shakti

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

see Nora, for the little things you can go to mommy; but dad has to

give his sign for the big things coz the bank account is in his name:-

).

 

 

 

>a

> shivite himself. LOL ) Father is sleeping or busy, why disturb him.

> Come to Mother. Look at HER, she is ever ready for you. If Mother

> have the same key as Father to the Door, why disturb Father.

> Don't

> have to wait for HIM. LOL.

[Guest guest]

Which Tattva does Citshakti belong to?

[Guest guest]

LOL. Hey! the financial system is getting more advance. Mother too

have her own bank account. You need to wait for Father to sign the

cheque for you. Mother will give you her ATM card and password so

that you can access to her account at any time.

 

Little things if not done immediately will become big and too

difficult to handle !!!

[Guest guest]

My dear respected brothers and sisters,

 

I feel it is totally due to the grace of Lord Shiva

which makes me to express this mystic knowledge in

ordinary man's language.

 

People come to me to learn the introduction course on

Kashmir Shaivism. I have a clear plan for them. We

should be careful about choice of books.

 

If you want, I can post the full lecture of mine in 3

to 4 mails.

 

OM NAMAH SHIVAYE

 

Virendra.

--- childofdevi <childofdevi wrote:

 

Dear Virendra-ji,

 

Thank you for the wonderful piece. Is there a good

book that you can

recommend for reading more on this??

 

Regards

yogaman

>

>

>

> I am tempted to put a portion of my own lecture -

"Human

Upliftment through Kashmir Shaivism"

>

>

>

> Virendra.

>

> ------------------------------

>

>

>

> PARAM SHIVA AND HIS UNIVERSAL MANIFESTATION

>

>

>

> PARAM SHIVA

>

>

>

> Param Shiva is the ultimate reality who is the

nature of Bliss

itself and all complete in Himself. He is beyond

description, beyond

all manifestation, beyond limitation of form, time and

space. He is

eternal, infinite, all pervading, all knowing and all

powerful. In

fact, this reality is ineffable and beyond all

descriptions.

>

>

>

> Page 6

>

>

>

> From Param Shiva let us come to universal

manifestation; let us

have a look at this creation of Lord. Kashmir

Shaivism postulates 36

categories or "tattvas" to explain the process of

cosmic evolution.

Let us keenly focus our attention to this process of

universal

evolution or universal experience, i.e., from God hood

to Maya Shakti

which is the veiling or obscuring force of nature

leading to various

psycho - physical elements and finally the Panch

Mahabhutas - five

great elements : Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Ether.

Let us look

further into this great descent or the process of

in-evolution, i.e.

from God-hood to Man-hood.

>

>

>

> SHIVA TATTVA

>

>

>

> The first outward manifestation of the divine

creative energy in

the process of cosmic evolution is called Shiva -

Tattva. It is the

initial creative movement of Paramasiva. Further,

it is the static

aspect of consciousness or like support of all things

in the manifest

world. It is like the bed of a river or the canvas of

a painting.

It can never be seen, it can only be known by its

effects. In this

condition, the emphasis is on the subject without any

awareness of

the existence of the object.

>

>

>

> SHAKTI TATTVA

>

>

>

> Since the Shiva Tattva represents the passive aspect

of the pure

consciousness, it is dependent upon the active or

dynamic aspect

to bring it into being. This is called Shakti

>

>

>

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>

>

 

 

 

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Respected Virendra-ji,

 

Thank you for your willingliness to share it with us. I look forward

to it, but if it is going to be a longish post, it is okay to

download them in the group file, and announce it to the group.

Anybody who is interested can get access to it anytime. I can do it

on your behalf. Do send them to me.

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Kindly open the attachment

 

Virendra

 

Nora <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:

Respected Virendra-ji,

 

Thank you for your willingliness to share it with us. I look forward

to it, but if it is going to be a longish post, it is okay to

download them in the group file, and announce it to the group.

Anybody who is interested can get access to it anytime. I can do it

on your behalf. Do send them to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Grretings Virendra-Ji

 

I did not receive any attachement for this email. Could you send it to me again

please.

 

Thank you

Nora

 

 

 

 

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