Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Respected Eric: I absolutely agree with you. As you know most of the mantras have been derived from Sanskrit root verbs. Sanskrit is a phonetic language thus the significance of pronunciation is extremely critical. Wrong pronunciation totally changes the meaning. Example: Eric suggests a male, however, if the last vowel is changes with an additional "a" then the "Eric" changes to "Erica" (feminine gender). Paul - Paula. Vijay - Vijaya. ..... etc. Thus in mantra by mistake one can invoke entirely different entity. Example: "Indira" if we substitute "I" with "U" then the words becomes "undra" meaning mouse. That is one of the reason GURU is supposed to explain the meaning and the correct pronunciation. Unfortunately, there are regional variations that multplies the confusion. Even if one records the mantra. But depending the discipline for the school that person follows there are can be errors. Example: A Yajurvedi pronounces "SH" as "kha". In Assam it is pronounced as "Ha". There for it is said that never get a blessing from a people from far east (Assam and Bangal) becaue although they may be saying "shatauH" (wish for a 100 years longevity for you) it will come out his mouth as "hataauH" (reduction of the life span). The complete shloka is as follows: aashiirvaada.m na gR^ih{}vayaat puurvadeshanivaasinaH . shataayuriti vaktavye hataayuritivaadinaam .. I like to post things in original sanskrit as much as possible however, does not allow attachments in PDF. I do like you idea of posting the actual manta in MP3 Format for better clarity it's Sanskrit devnagri script also should be made available. Regards, Dr. Yadu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Dear friends, I really dont agree with DR YADU who says yajur vedi pronounces sh as kha . Vedas are incapable of having a wrong pronouciation being learnt from word of mouth during gurukula. with warm regards shankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Dear Respected Shankar: With due respect I must correct this. I would really recommend you to do some research or atleast talk to some Sanskrit scholars to remove you misconceptions. It does not matter whether you agree or not. This has been the Yajurveda tradition that evolved out of disagreement between Sage Vaishampian and Yajnayalka. Vaishampian propopgated krishna Yajurveda. Yajnavalka started his own school which is known as Shukla Yajurveda. Yajnavalka got the recognition from the king Janamejaya and Janaka (not the father-in- law of Rama). This later evolved in to krishna yajurvediiiya taittiriiya (shaakha) school. Shukla Yajurveda - Most important grantha (book) is shatpat brahmnina There are two copies available "Kanva" and "Madhyaadin". Katyaayana is credited for the "shauta suutra" where as paarakar is is responsible for "gR^ihya sutra". Naturally kaatyaayana was the proponent of shukla yajurveda. kaNva shakha documents the differences explicitly. yajnavalka shixaa is one the most important grgantha as far as recitation of Veda in concerned. Following differences are practiced (even to day). Now the question is asked therefore I will document other differences as well: a. Madhyaandina shakha pronounce `ya" as "ja" and "sh" as "kha" b. Some vowels are pronounced as "dvita" c. anuswar is "saanunaasika" d. "svara" is expressed by a movement of their hand rather than by the movement of their neck and head (just like when musicians and tabla player denote when they arrive at "sama" by a twitch of their head and neck) as practiced by others while reciting Veda. Saint Danyeshver was was also a yajurvedi. If you read dnyaneshvari in his final pasaayadaa he write "jo bhaje aadi purukhi" rather than "jo bhaje aadi puruShi". Other interesting notes: suuta piuraNa, brahmaaNDa puraana and skandha pruan claim the existence of 107 subdivisions (shakha) of Yajurveda. patanjan muni (who created yoga sutra) claims it to be 100. Unfortunately lot of it is known to be available at this time. All the scholars agree that Shukla has 15 "shakhas" jaabaal, baudheya, kaNava, maadhyaandina, shaapeshi, taapaniiya, kapola, paundravatsa, aavaTi, paramaavatika, vaiNaeya, vaidheya, kaatyaayana, and vaijavaapa. Krishna yajurveda has the following 39 accepted skakhas: charaka, katha, praacya, kapiSThala, caaraayaNiiya, vaaraayaNiiya, shvetaashvatara, aupamanyava, maitrayaNiiiya, maanava, varaaha, du.mdubha, chhagaleya, haaridraviiya, shyaamaayana, shyaama, taittariiya, aukheya, khaa.nDikeya, aapasta.mba, bharadvaaja, hiranyakeshii, baudhaayana, satyaaShaaDha, aatreya, aala.mbii, pal.nga, kamala, ta.nDi, kapaala, ta.mbaruu, vaikhaanasa, vaadhuula, aagniveshya, kau.nDinya, and haariita. I believe above explanation should be adequate at this time. I hope this is helpful. With kind regards, Dr. Yadu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Dear Dr. Yadu, Thanks for this enligtenment. I used to be a part-time krishna yajur vedi myself to a small extent & my gurus have only only taught sa as sa kha as kha. Whenever i move my body, face, neck while trying to chant, my guru had always scolded me. But from the maharishi channel i have seen people moving the hands up down while trying to chant Rig Veda. Further, in West Bengal, India, people pronounce shatriya as kashatriya. But I am yet to come across a sukla yajurvedin, & hence as u put u may be right. But since u said yajurvedi, I said this. The number of sukla yajurvedin is less than krishna yajurvedi, as far i know (though i am out of touch with india for sometime). The whole of the South is full of them; the best amongst them is only in the South. This is from taitreya upanishad book bhasya from rama krishna mutt 'anna'. The world had krishna yajurveda first. Then a certain disciple had a difference of opinion with his guru. So as ordered by his guru he spit out the same. Then later he worshipped lord sun & he recieved the yajurveda and hence the name sukla yajurveda. This reading was done by me a long time back, hence i don't remember the names. Correct me, sir, in case i am wrong. I sincerely appriciate the relevent quote u have given to me. tks for the same. With warm regards Shankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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